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Anonymous Coward User ID: 70665904 United Kingdom 10/28/2015 07:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If you give your heart to Jesus, you'll be able to see that Paul was one of his. |
Three Are One User ID: 55836447 United Kingdom 10/28/2015 07:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Peter's transition into Paul's gospel of Grace by Faith. Acts 15:4 And when they were come to Jerusalem, they were received of the church, and of the apostles and elders, and they declared all things that God had done with them. 15:5 But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses. 15:6 And the apostles and elders came together for to consider of this matter. 15:7 And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe. 15:8 And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us; 15:9 And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith. 15:10 Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear? 15:11 But we believe that through the grace of the LORD Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they. |
Messiah's servant User ID: 62941542 United States 10/28/2015 07:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Paul is clearly an apostle of God. Having read some of the stuff in the link, it seems the author has wasted quite a bit of his time trying to cause a rift in scripture. If the apostle John thought Paul was false, I think he would have had the moral courage to say so clearly, not drop a series of random hints in his epistles. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70665904 If you give your heart to Jesus, you'll be able to see that Paul was one of his. Sometimes God Expects you to Think and reason would be my conjecture Please don't take that personally .. Love you |
Three Are One User ID: 55836447 United Kingdom 10/28/2015 07:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Peter’s point is that the yoke of Moses was a burden that the Jewish people were not able to keep successfully. Those rituals showed that, no matter how hard people worked, they could never be perfect. They showed, for anyone who ever wondered, that works can never lead to salvation. Salvation is attained in a different way—by grace. We can’t earn it, so it has to be given to us. Since the law of Moses cannot bring us salvation, there is no need to require the Gentiles to keep it. God gave them the Holy Spirit and showed that he accepts them without all those rituals. They are saved by grace thru faith, and the Jews are, too. James 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 70673248 Ireland 10/28/2015 07:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This guy is a lawyer and makes a pretty convincing argument on the falseness of Saul, Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70673248 [link to www.jesuswordsonly.com] He is the one who sold me on the matter. Maybe it will help some blind eyes here. I dare all you Saul lovers to read it. What do you have to lose? No thanks, if you believe it, I want no parts of it. PS. You're quite tame today.......no name calling anymore? lol wow. Such bitterness from you Lisa. Your loss. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 70673248 Ireland 10/28/2015 07:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This guy is a lawyer and makes a pretty convincing argument on the falseness of Saul, Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70673248 [link to www.jesuswordsonly.com] He is the one who sold me on the matter. Maybe it will help some blind eyes here. It ain't Paul that matters! You fucks can't even Trust Jesus! You look for any bullshit excuse NOT to answer God's Call. Nothing matters but Coming Unto The Father and Being Born-Again IN-HIM! Read John 17. See your life Witnessed there by Jesus? I do and did the first time I read it. Got Relationship With God? You won't rely on Scripture, you'll Have HIM To Ask, Personally! If Paul's Witness speaks to your heart, great! If you have failed to take action by now, oh well... No clown, I am the one who actually trusts Yeshua and you trust Saul. To your own detriment. How's that false gospel working out for ya? Fail. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 70673248 Ireland 10/28/2015 07:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This guy is a lawyer and makes a pretty convincing argument on the falseness of Saul, Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70673248 [link to www.jesuswordsonly.com] He is the one who sold me on the matter. Maybe it will help some blind eyes here. Thanks Friend You're very welcome. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 8712810 United States 10/28/2015 07:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26056841 You Make a Good Point about Paul's " Stories " And it Just so happens that The Lord Jesus tells commends The Church at Ephesus for Testing those who say they are Apostles and Finding them to be LIARS ! We Know Paul Was Invested in them and we have a self admition by Paul in 2 Tim that he was Rejected by All in Asia !! So We Conclude Jesus was Reffering to Paul and possibly Timothy thanks.. yea i stuggled with it for a while . the spirit over pauls teachings is hard to break away from when thats who they teach about in churches on sunday. interesting points. I have some reservations about Paul, but saying that "he was rejected by all of Asia" does;t really mean much, imo, in light of the fact that the Church eventually died on the vine there… the "Nestorian Stele" (c.700 AD) states that there were over 3,000 churches in China in 600 AD… by 900 AD the Light of Christ was mostly dimmed (there remains a remnant Church there to this day)… to say that Paul was the first Pope is really stretching things… if you are going to stretch one way and not another, it sounds biased… Paul refers to himself as a father to the Church and in many ways he was…but he does not say to call him "father" nor for the rest of the Church to, as far as I remember… most of the points are just bias, imo… the real problem is people leaving out Jesus's words and only looking at Paul's… and pastor's teaching that the Laws don't matter… seems like we need to find the balance in our own lives, based on the Bible…faith in Christ is more important than the Laws, for example, but that doesn't mean we don't need to "honor the Sabbath." |
Messiah's servant User ID: 62941542 United States 10/28/2015 07:35 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Peter’s point is that the yoke of Moses was a burden that the Jewish people were not able to keep successfully. Quoting: Three Are One 55836447 Those rituals showed that, no matter how hard people worked, they could never be perfect. They showed, for anyone who ever wondered, that works can never lead to salvation. Salvation is attained in a different way—by grace. We can’t earn it, so it has to be given to us. Since the law of Moses cannot bring us salvation, there is no need to require the Gentiles to keep it. God gave them the Holy Spirit and showed that he accepts them without all those rituals. They are saved by grace thru faith, and the Jews are, too. James 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. Probaly more like The Oral law was a Heavy burden and that's what they decided to not impose The written law of Moses is binding still |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 70673248 Ireland 10/28/2015 07:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This guy is a lawyer and makes a pretty convincing argument on the falseness of Saul, Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70673248 [link to www.jesuswordsonly.com] He is the one who sold me on the matter. Maybe it will help some blind eyes here. I dare all you Saul lovers to read it. What do you have to lose? No thanks, if you believe it, I want no parts of it. PS. You're quite tame today.......no name calling anymore? Too scared/cowardly to read it sounds like. Stay in the dark then. Your guilt be upon your own head. |
Messiah! Is Coming Soon User ID: 62941542 United States 10/28/2015 07:38 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This guy is a lawyer and makes a pretty convincing argument on the falseness of Saul, Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70673248 [link to www.jesuswordsonly.com] He is the one who sold me on the matter. Maybe it will help some blind eyes here. Thanks Friend You're very welcome. Yup Paul like baalam |
Three Are One User ID: 55836447 United Kingdom 10/28/2015 07:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Peter’s point is that the yoke of Moses was a burden that the Jewish people were not able to keep successfully. Quoting: Three Are One 55836447 Those rituals showed that, no matter how hard people worked, they could never be perfect. They showed, for anyone who ever wondered, that works can never lead to salvation. Salvation is attained in a different way—by grace. We can’t earn it, so it has to be given to us. Since the law of Moses cannot bring us salvation, there is no need to require the Gentiles to keep it. God gave them the Holy Spirit and showed that he accepts them without all those rituals. They are saved by grace thru faith, and the Jews are, too. James 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. Probaly more like The Oral law was a Heavy burden and that's what they decided to not impose The written law of Moses is binding still Acts 9:15 But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the (Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel:) 9:16 For I will shew him (Paul) how great things he must suffer for my name's sake. 1 Timothy 1:15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief. 1:16 Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, (that in me first) Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting. Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 70673248 Ireland 10/28/2015 07:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This guy is a lawyer and makes a pretty convincing argument on the falseness of Saul, Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70673248 [link to www.jesuswordsonly.com] He is the one who sold me on the matter. Maybe it will help some blind eyes here. Thanks Friend You're very welcome. Yup Paul like baalam Yep, just like Saul, he cast a stumbling block before the children of Israel. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 8712810 United States 10/28/2015 07:42 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Messiah's servant 63842986 thanks.. yea i stuggled with it for a while . the spirit over pauls teachings is hard to break away from when thats who they teach about in churches on sunday. interesting points. I have some reservations about Paul, but saying that "he was rejected by all of Asia" does;t really mean much, imo, in light of the fact that the Church eventually died on the vine there… the "Nestorian Stele" (c.700 AD) states that there were over 3,000 churches in China in 600 AD… by 900 AD the Light of Christ was mostly dimmed (there remains a remnant Church there to this day)… to say that Paul was the first Pope is really stretching things… if you are going to stretch one way and not another, it sounds biased… Paul refers to himself as a father to the Church and in many ways he was…but he does not say to call him "father" nor for the rest of the Church to, as far as I remember… most of the points are just bias, imo… the real problem is people leaving out Jesus's words and only looking at Paul's… and pastor's teaching that the Laws don't matter… seems like we need to find the balance in our own lives, based on the Bible…faith in Christ is more important than the Laws, for example, but that doesn't mean we don't need to "honor the Sabbath." just want to add to this point about the Laws… we know that "unclean" animals are more toxic because of less efficient digestion and tendency to be bottom-feeders and poop eaters… we also know that the whole creation runs on predictable Laws… and athletes and farmers know that periodic rest makes for better performance… for athletes, six days on and one off seems to be optimal… I would imagine there are many nuggets to be aware of that have been lost due to ignoring the Old Testament and focusing on the strange and perverse only, as some do… in fact the Old Testament will tell you how the world works better than any book on the planet. |
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Messiah's servant User ID: 62941542 United States 10/28/2015 07:45 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | interesting points. I have some reservations about Paul, but saying that "he was rejected by all of Asia" does;t really mean much, imo, in light of the fact that the Church eventually died on the vine there… the "Nestorian Stele" (c.700 AD) states that there were over 3,000 churches in China in 600 AD… by 900 AD the Light of Christ was mostly dimmed (there remains a remnant Church there to this day)… to say that Paul was the first Pope is really stretching things… if you are going to stretch one way and not another, it sounds biased… Paul refers to himself as a father to the Church and in many ways he was…but he does not say to call him "father" nor for the rest of the Church to, as far as I remember… most of the points are just bias, imo… the real problem is people leaving out Jesus's words and only looking at Paul's… and pastor's teaching that the Laws don't matter… seems like we need to find the balance in our own lives, based on the Bible…faith in Christ is more important than the Laws, for example, but that doesn't mean we don't need to "honor the Sabbath." just want to add to this point about the Laws… we know that "unclean" animals are more toxic because of less efficient digestion and tendency to be bottom-feeders and poop eaters… we also know that the whole creation runs on predictable Laws… and athletes and farmers know that periodic rest makes for better performance… for athletes, six days on and one off seems to be optimal… I would imagine there are many nuggets to be aware of that have been lost due to ignoring the Old Testament and focusing on the strange and perverse only, as some do… in fact the Old Testament will tell you how the world works better than any book on the planet. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 70673248 Ireland 10/28/2015 07:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yep, just like Saul, he cast a stumbling block before the children of Israel. Indeed ! All the lawless use paul Yep, they use him as a license to sin freely. What a big surprise they will get at the end if they continue to cling to him and his lies. |
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Messiah's servant User ID: 62941542 United States 10/28/2015 07:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yep, just like Saul, he cast a stumbling block before the children of Israel. Indeed ! All the lawless use paul Yep, they use him as a license to sin freely. What a big surprise they will get at the end if they continue to cling to him and his lies. Matthew 7:21 “Not everyone who calls out to me, ‘Lord! Lord!’ will enter the Kingdom of Heaven. Only those who actually do the will of my Father in heaven will enter. 22 On judgment day many will say to me, ‘Lord! Lord! We prophesied in your name and cast out demons in your name and performed many miracles in your name.’ 23 But I will reply, ‘I never knew you. Get away from me, you who break God’s laws.’ |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 109229 United States 10/28/2015 07:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70673248 Yep, just like Saul, he cast a stumbling block before the children of Israel. Indeed ! All the lawless use paul Yep, they use him as a license to sin freely. What a big surprise they will get at the end if they continue to cling to him and his lies. Matthew 7:21 “Not everyone who calls out to me, ‘Lord! Lord!’ will enter the Kingdom of Heaven. Only those who actually do the will of my Father in heaven will enter. 22 On judgment day many will say to me, ‘Lord! Lord! We prophesied in your name and cast out demons in your name and performed many miracles in your name.’ 23 But I will reply, ‘I never knew you. Get away from me, you who break God’s laws.’ OP, you're teaming up with the wrong person here.......just saying. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 69503940 United States 10/28/2015 07:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Do false apostles die for their faith and love for Jesus? Quoting: Lisa*Lisa Do false apostles spend every waking moment focusing on Christ? Do false apostles leave their whole life behind to follow the Lord? Do false apostles help lead countless billions of souls to salvation over the last several thousand years? Do false apostles do any of that????? The answer is..........NO. ^^^ let's say this again. You don't see the problem with basing this argument on Pauls own writing? Do you not understand how easy it would be for him to lie and bull shit all of it? A false apostle would do such a thing, for power,control, influence, and fame. Paul is largely responsible for how Catholicism and Christianity turned out. He perverted and diluted any truth and good that might have been there prior to him getting his hands on it and completely altered things to his liking. Paul is the kinda guy that likes to feel important and powerful, he didn't actually care about spiritual growth, just power and control. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 109229 United States 10/28/2015 07:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The bible says Jesus was the stumbling block to the jews......not paul. Quoting: Lisa*Lisa Ok, please tell me OP, how you are any less "lawless" than me. I Don't know you Ok..........I can tell you this tho, I don't sit in my tent for 7 days while I'm on my menstrual cycle. According to the old laws you want to follow, this is required. You also can't mix fabrics or grow a veggie garden with more than 1 veggie in a row......and 600+ other laws. So, am I "lawless?" Right now I'm wearing cotton & polyester. |
Messiah's servant User ID: 62941542 United States 10/28/2015 07:58 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The bible says Jesus was the stumbling block to the jews......not paul. Quoting: Lisa*Lisa Ok, please tell me OP, how you are any less "lawless" than me. I Don't know you Ok..........I can tell you this tho, I don't sit in my tent for 7 days while I'm on my menstrual cycle. According to the old laws you want to follow, this is required. You also can't mix fabrics or grow a veggie garden with more than 1 veggie in a row......and 600+ other laws. So, am I "lawless?" Right now I'm wearing cotton & polyester. You bad Girl |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 109229 United States 10/28/2015 08:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The bible says Jesus was the stumbling block to the jews......not paul. Quoting: Lisa*Lisa Ok, please tell me OP, how you are any less "lawless" than me. I Don't know you Ok..........I can tell you this tho, I don't sit in my tent for 7 days while I'm on my menstrual cycle. According to the old laws you want to follow, this is required. You also can't mix fabrics or grow a veggie garden with more than 1 veggie in a row......and 600+ other laws. So, am I "lawless?" Right now I'm wearing cotton & polyester. You bad Girl Don't cut that beard now.........you better study all of them pretty hard if you're going to bet on the law saving you..... Truth is, you can't keep it perfectly......nobody can. That's why Jesus came and died for us and He gave us 2 commandments: 1. Love God with your whole heart 2. Love your neighbor as yourself I'll tell you this, when I started digging into the hebrew roots stuff, what turned me off the most was the horrible attitude of those that followed that theology. They were incredibly proud, puffed up, full of themselves, hideously self righteous........just like the pharisees. Please don't become one of them..........Jesus said what He thought of them........just follow Jesus and stay humble. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 65907392 United States 10/28/2015 08:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Do false apostles die for their faith and love for Jesus? Quoting: Lisa*Lisa Do false apostles spend every waking moment focusing on Christ? Do false apostles leave their whole life behind to follow the Lord? Do false apostles help lead countless billions of souls to salvation over the last several thousand years? Do false apostles do any of that????? The answer is..........NO. ^^^ let's say this again. You don't see the problem with basing this argument on Pauls own writing? Do you not understand how easy it would be for him to lie and bull shit all of it? A false apostle would do such a thing, for power,control, influence, and fame. Paul is largely responsible for how Catholicism and Christianity turned out. He perverted and diluted any truth and good that might have been there prior to him getting his hands on it and completely altered things to his liking. Paul is the kinda guy that likes to feel important and powerful, he didn't actually care about spiritual growth, just power and control. |
Messiah's servant User ID: 62941542 United States 10/28/2015 08:10 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Ok..........I can tell you this tho, I don't sit in my tent for 7 days while I'm on my menstrual cycle. According to the old laws you want to follow, this is required. You also can't mix fabrics or grow a veggie garden with more than 1 veggie in a row......and 600+ other laws. So, am I "lawless?" Right now I'm wearing cotton & polyester. You bad Girl Don't cut that beard now.........you better study all of them pretty hard if you're going to bet on the law saving you..... Truth is, you can't keep it perfectly......nobody can. That's why Jesus came and died for us and He gave us 2 commandments: 1. Love God with your whole heart 2. Love your neighbor as yourself I'll tell you this, when I started digging into the hebrew roots stuff, what turned me off the most was the horrible attitude of those that followed that theology. They were incredibly proud, puffed up, full of themselves, hideously self righteous........just like the pharisees. Please don't become one of them..........Jesus said what He thought of them........just follow Jesus and stay humble. I can certainly agree with you on that , I have run into such people .. Lacking Love My Goal in Life is to Love and Be Loved They Would do Good to study Jesus closer |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 109229 United States 10/28/2015 08:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Lisa*Lisa Ok..........I can tell you this tho, I don't sit in my tent for 7 days while I'm on my menstrual cycle. According to the old laws you want to follow, this is required. You also can't mix fabrics or grow a veggie garden with more than 1 veggie in a row......and 600+ other laws. So, am I "lawless?" Right now I'm wearing cotton & polyester. You bad Girl Don't cut that beard now.........you better study all of them pretty hard if you're going to bet on the law saving you..... Truth is, you can't keep it perfectly......nobody can. That's why Jesus came and died for us and He gave us 2 commandments: 1. Love God with your whole heart 2. Love your neighbor as yourself I'll tell you this, when I started digging into the hebrew roots stuff, what turned me off the most was the horrible attitude of those that followed that theology. They were incredibly proud, puffed up, full of themselves, hideously self righteous........just like the pharisees. Please don't become one of them..........Jesus said what He thought of them........just follow Jesus and stay humble. I can certainly agree with you on that , I have run into such people .. Lacking Love My Goal in Life is to Love and Be Loved They Would do Good to study Jesus closer I agree! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 69503940 United States 10/28/2015 08:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Do false apostles die for their faith and love for Jesus? Quoting: Lisa*Lisa Do false apostles spend every waking moment focusing on Christ? Do false apostles leave their whole life behind to follow the Lord? Do false apostles help lead countless billions of souls to salvation over the last several thousand years? Do false apostles do any of that????? The answer is..........NO. ^^^ let's say this again. You don't see the problem with basing this argument on Pauls own writing? Do you not understand how easy it would be for him to lie and bull shit all of it? A false apostle would do such a thing, for power,control, influence, and fame. Paul is largely responsible for how Catholicism and Christianity turned out. He perverted and diluted any truth and good that might have been there prior to him getting his hands on it and completely altered things to his liking. Paul is the kinda guy that likes to feel important and powerful, he didn't actually care about spiritual growth, just power and control. Thank you. I was a Pauline scholar for 10 years until after 40 years of being a devout Catholic I woke up to the fact that it is complete bull shit. I didn't want to face it at first, but Paul really perverted Jesus' teaching and lead the church down a completely anti-Christian path. If you are looking for spiritual growth and enlightenment, you won't find it by strictly following the Christian faith. Paul was instrumental in making Catholicism into a faith that allowed for its followers to be easily manipulated and mowed over by those in power, including Paul himself. |
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