'Zeno effect' verified: Atoms won't move while you watch | |
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Or other User ID: 67303065 United States 10/29/2015 04:09 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Well duh! When we stare at something we are bouncing light back and forth from what we are staring at..it's a physical interaction between the light beams being reflected from our eyes to the atoms of the object...ever wonder why sometimes you can feel someone staring at you? That's because it's a physical interaction😉...everyone on my planet knows this silly.. |
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2012Portal 2012Portal - Mayan Beyond 2012 User ID: 15022013 Netherlands 10/29/2015 04:11 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Interesting, fit's along these lines, also recently released... a lot of stuff being disclosed these days! Thread: BREAKING - 21 OCT 2015 --- Tele-transportation Proven Possible - From the love of power to the power of Love - My camera and video gear: [link to graphicstart.com] --- --- --- "Jesus Christ, the Son of God our Savior" |
TrumpsMildlyRetardedCat User ID: 57851334 United States 10/29/2015 04:12 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Well duh! When we stare at something we are bouncing light back and forth from what we are staring at..it's a physical interaction between the light beams being reflected from our eyes to the atoms of the object...ever wonder why sometimes you can feel someone staring at you? That's because it's a physical interaction😉...everyone on my planet knows this silly.. Quoting: Or other 67303065 |
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2012Portal 2012Portal - Mayan Beyond 2012 User ID: 15022013 Netherlands 10/29/2015 04:49 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Nope...but sometimes you can feel it! Isn't that a physical interaction? They use lasers to blow up atoms? Isn't that all it takes to change any outcome of any situation...just a little push of light. Good question OP and a great answer AC! From the love of power to the power of Love - My camera and video gear: [link to graphicstart.com] --- --- --- "Jesus Christ, the Son of God our Savior" |
2012Portal 2012Portal - Mayan Beyond 2012 User ID: 15022013 Netherlands 10/29/2015 04:50 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Just have to embed this video, such a classic! [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] From the love of power to the power of Love - My camera and video gear: [link to graphicstart.com] --- --- --- "Jesus Christ, the Son of God our Savior" |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 68474273 United States 10/29/2015 05:32 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It all depends at how you are looking at them...they are not particles but waves. CERN is entirely build around trying to come up with human understanding of quanta - based on human theory. I suppose if you could cool something down that much, you could find that is slows - it's still a wave though. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 70674632 Belgium 10/29/2015 08:08 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | One of the oddest predictions of quantum theory – that a system can’t change while you’re watching it – has been confirmed in an experiment by Cornell physicists. Their work opens the door to a fundamentally new method to control and manipulate the quantum states of atoms and could lead to new kinds of sensors. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 64419127 The experiments were performed in the Utracold Lab of Mukund Vengalattore, assistant professor of physics, who has established Cornell’s first program to study the physics of materials cooled to temperatures as low as .000000001 degree above absolute zero. The work is described in the Oct. 2 issue of the journal Physical Review Letters [link to www.news.cornell.edu] I have a feeling this goes not only for observing literally, i.e. keeping your eyes on something, but for any kind of focus on something in progress. Once your attention (attention = energy waves) is taken off it, the system is back to its free-flowing state in which changes can take place. |
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aHEMagain^2 User ID: 70485763 United States 10/29/2015 10:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | One of the oddest predictions of quantum theory – that a system can’t change while you’re watching it – has been confirmed in an experiment by Cornell physicists. Their work opens the door to a fundamentally new method to control and manipulate the quantum states of atoms and could lead to new kinds of sensors. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 64419127 The experiments were performed in the Utracold Lab of Mukund Vengalattore, assistant professor of physics, who has established Cornell’s first program to study the physics of materials cooled to temperatures as low as .000000001 degree above absolute zero. The work is described in the Oct. 2 issue of the journal Physical Review Letters [link to www.news.cornell.edu] I have a feeling this goes not only for observing literally, i.e. keeping your eyes on something, but for any kind of focus on something in progress. Once your attention (attention = energy waves) is taken off it, the system is back to its free-flowing state in which changes can take place. You (and the experimenters) are confusing active and passive measurement. If I have to shoot a gun at a bowling ball repeatedly, and watch the ricochets to determine how fast the bowling ball is moving, it's understandable that measurement is going to alter the vector and speed of the object being measured. If instead, I'm watching the black body radiation being emitted by the bowling ball, and determining how fast the bowling ball is moving, then common sense tells us my "measurement" can't effect the balls movement. The problem is current interpretations of quantum theory says that if I look at the bowling ball, then turn my head away, and I do that over and over again really fast, the bowling ball will be halted in it's tracks. Then to prove it, they fire bullets from all directions really really fast at the bowling ball, which of course keeps it from moving. Then they interpret their experiment as if they'd just turned their head away over and over really fast. This is why modern physics research is crippled. The scientists don't have the education in philosophy and logic that would allow them to broaden the scope of alternative explanations for their results. It doesn't help that in certain cases, turning your head away over and over very fast may alter experimental conditions. Because experimenter's haven't concentrated on truly exploring the difference between observation and measurement, we don't know how or under what conditions simply observing passively rather than measuring actively changes things. Don't get me started on the number of assumptions that go into the interpretation of the double slit experiment. aHEMagain "And once again, Probability proves itself willing to sneak into a back alley and service Drama as would a copper piece harlot." -- Vaarsuvius, The Order of the Stick [link to tvtropes.org] "History doesn't repeat, but it does rhyme" -- Mark Twain "It is wrong always, everywhere, and for anyone, to believe anything upon insufficient evidence.-- William Clifford [link to myweb.lmu.edu] |
aHEMagain^2 User ID: 70485772 United States 10/29/2015 10:10 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So that's why that fkin cat played dead every time we looked in its box. Who knew? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 48595966 aHEMagain "And once again, Probability proves itself willing to sneak into a back alley and service Drama as would a copper piece harlot." -- Vaarsuvius, The Order of the Stick [link to tvtropes.org] "History doesn't repeat, but it does rhyme" -- Mark Twain "It is wrong always, everywhere, and for anyone, to believe anything upon insufficient evidence.-- William Clifford [link to myweb.lmu.edu] |
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BHZP User ID: 71197670 Germany 01/21/2016 09:59 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Sisyphus || QEP: [link to quantumearthproductions.com] || Soon @_@: Thread: You can create temporarities! || G^^G: [link to www.givemegossip.com] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1550640 United States 01/21/2016 10:47 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | One of the oddest predictions of quantum theory – that a system can’t change while you’re watching it – has been confirmed in an experiment by Cornell physicists. Their work opens the door to a fundamentally new method to control and manipulate the quantum states of atoms and could lead to new kinds of sensors. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 64419127 The experiments were performed in the Utracold Lab of Mukund Vengalattore, assistant professor of physics, who has established Cornell’s first program to study the physics of materials cooled to temperatures as low as .000000001 degree above absolute zero. The work is described in the Oct. 2 issue of the journal Physical Review Letters [link to www.news.cornell.edu] I have a feeling this goes not only for observing literally, i.e. keeping your eyes on something, but for any kind of focus on something in progress. Once your attention (attention = energy waves) is taken off it, the system is back to its free-flowing state in which changes can take place. You (and the experimenters) are confusing active and passive measurement. If I have to shoot a gun at a bowling ball repeatedly, and watch the ricochets to determine how fast the bowling ball is moving, it's understandable that measurement is going to alter the vector and speed of the object being measured. If instead, I'm watching the black body radiation being emitted by the bowling ball, and determining how fast the bowling ball is moving, then common sense tells us my "measurement" can't effect the balls movement. The problem is current interpretations of quantum theory says that if I look at the bowling ball, then turn my head away, and I do that over and over again really fast, the bowling ball will be halted in it's tracks. Then to prove it, they fire bullets from all directions really really fast at the bowling ball, which of course keeps it from moving. Then they interpret their experiment as if they'd just turned their head away over and over really fast. This is why modern physics research is crippled. The scientists don't have the education in philosophy and logic that would allow them to broaden the scope of alternative explanations for their results. It doesn't help that in certain cases, turning your head away over and over very fast may alter experimental conditions. Because experimenter's haven't concentrated on truly exploring the difference between observation and measurement, we don't know how or under what conditions simply observing passively rather than measuring actively changes things. Don't get me started on the number of assumptions that go into the interpretation of the double slit experiment. aHEMagain Philosophy is irrelevant. It's just idle speculation over things that one can't even measure. If you can't measure anything, it's truth value is nil. Only things that you can measure and measure again are worth discussing seriously. The best thing that ever happened to natural sciences was when the philosophical sophistry was kicked out and we started relying only on experiments as the ultimate test for truth. |
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BHZP User ID: 71197670 Germany 01/21/2016 11:14 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The Zeno operating system on my quantum computer keeps freezing with a guru schrodinger meditation error zero or maybe. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71267223 Try rebooting, probably just some quints who got trapped in the temporal loop. Sisyphus || QEP: [link to quantumearthproductions.com] || Soon @_@: Thread: You can create temporarities! || G^^G: [link to www.givemegossip.com] |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 46266820 United States 01/21/2016 12:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It all depends at how you are looking at them...they are not particles but waves. CERN is entirely build around trying to come up with human understanding of quanta - based on human theory. I suppose if you could cool something down that much, you could find that is slows - it's still a wave though. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 68474273 Bloch waves and femtotech ;) Gotta get back to work. Big "shout out" to the entities pushing forward with disclosure. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 12718148 Canada 01/21/2016 12:33 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Well duh! When we stare at something we are bouncing light back and forth from what we are staring at..it's a physical interaction between the light beams being reflected from our eyes to the atoms of the object...ever wonder why sometimes you can feel someone staring at you? That's because it's a physical interaction😉...everyone on my planet knows this silly.. Quoting: Or other 67303065 Maybe on their planet the people have especially glowy eyes? Here on this planet light bounces off of pretty much everything. So the idea that light would only hit the atom when it bounced from our eyes is not really, shall we say a mature theory? |