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'Zeno effect' verified: Atoms won't move while you watch

 
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'Zeno effect' verified: Atoms won't move while you watch
One of the oddest predictions of quantum theory – that a system can’t change while you’re watching it – has been confirmed in an experiment by Cornell physicists. Their work opens the door to a fundamentally new method to control and manipulate the quantum states of atoms and could lead to new kinds of sensors.

The experiments were performed in the Utracold Lab of Mukund Vengalattore, assistant professor of physics, who has established Cornell’s first program to study the physics of materials cooled to temperatures as low as .000000001 degree above absolute zero. The work is described in the Oct. 2 issue of the journal Physical Review Letters

[link to www.news.cornell.edu]

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Thats why a watched kettle takes so long to boil.

the atoms and molecules KNOW they are being watched...and just dont really want to get off their ass and jig around.
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Well duh! When we stare at something we are bouncing light back and forth from what we are staring at..it's a physical interaction between the light beams being reflected from our eyes to the atoms of the object...ever wonder why sometimes you can feel someone staring at you? That's because it's a physical interaction😉...everyone on my planet knows this silly..
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Thats why a watched kettle takes so long to boil.

the atoms and molecules KNOW they are being watched...and just dont really want to get off their ass and jig around.
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Interesting, fit's along these lines, also recently released... a lot of stuff being disclosed these days!


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Well duh! When we stare at something we are bouncing light back and forth from what we are staring at..it's a physical interaction between the light beams being reflected from our eyes to the atoms of the object...ever wonder why sometimes you can feel someone staring at you? That's because it's a physical interaction😉...everyone on my planet knows this silly..
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So if someone stares at you constantly, you'll never grow old?

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So if someone stares at you constantly, you'll never grow old?

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Nope...but sometimes you can feel it!
Isn't that a physical interaction?
They use lasers to blow up atoms?
Isn't that all it takes to change any outcome of any situation...just a little push of light.
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So if someone stares at you constantly, you'll never grow old?

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Nope...but sometimes you can feel it!
Isn't that a physical interaction?
They use lasers to blow up atoms?
Isn't that all it takes to change any outcome of any situation...just a little push of light.
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Good question OP and a great answer AC!
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Just have to embed this video, such a classic!

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Thats why a watched kettle takes so long to boil.

the atoms and molecules KNOW they are being watched...and just dont really want to get off their ass and jig around.
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luckily we only see so many FPS

the missing frames are the ones where the action occurs
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It all depends at how you are looking at them...they are not particles but waves. CERN is entirely build around trying to come up with human understanding of quanta - based on human theory. I suppose if you could cool something down that much, you could find that is slows - it's still a wave though.
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Who would vote such an interesting experiment 1 star?
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One of the oddest predictions of quantum theory – that a system can’t change while you’re watching it – has been confirmed in an experiment by Cornell physicists. Their work opens the door to a fundamentally new method to control and manipulate the quantum states of atoms and could lead to new kinds of sensors.

The experiments were performed in the Utracold Lab of Mukund Vengalattore, assistant professor of physics, who has established Cornell’s first program to study the physics of materials cooled to temperatures as low as .000000001 degree above absolute zero. The work is described in the Oct. 2 issue of the journal Physical Review Letters

[link to www.news.cornell.edu]

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I have a feeling this goes not only for observing literally, i.e. keeping your eyes on something, but for any kind of focus on something in progress. Once your attention (attention = energy waves) is taken off it, the system is back to its free-flowing state in which changes can take place.
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maybe there's a reason we should have been watching the little feckers all along.
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So that's why that fkin cat played dead every time we looked in its box. Who knew?
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Re: 'Zeno effect' verified: Atoms won't move while you watch
One of the oddest predictions of quantum theory – that a system can’t change while you’re watching it – has been confirmed in an experiment by Cornell physicists. Their work opens the door to a fundamentally new method to control and manipulate the quantum states of atoms and could lead to new kinds of sensors.

The experiments were performed in the Utracold Lab of Mukund Vengalattore, assistant professor of physics, who has established Cornell’s first program to study the physics of materials cooled to temperatures as low as .000000001 degree above absolute zero. The work is described in the Oct. 2 issue of the journal Physical Review Letters

[link to www.news.cornell.edu]

5a
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I have a feeling this goes not only for observing literally, i.e. keeping your eyes on something, but for any kind of focus on something in progress. Once your attention (attention = energy waves) is taken off it, the system is back to its free-flowing state in which changes can take place.
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You (and the experimenters) are confusing active and passive measurement.

If I have to shoot a gun at a bowling ball repeatedly, and watch the ricochets to determine how fast the bowling ball is moving, it's understandable that measurement is going to alter the vector and speed of the object being measured.

If instead, I'm watching the black body radiation being emitted by the bowling ball, and determining how fast the bowling ball is moving, then common sense tells us my "measurement" can't effect the balls movement.

The problem is current interpretations of quantum theory says that if I look at the bowling ball, then turn my head away, and I do that over and over again really fast, the bowling ball will be halted in it's tracks. Then to prove it, they fire bullets from all directions really really fast at the bowling ball, which of course keeps it from moving. Then they interpret their experiment as if they'd just turned their head away over and over really fast.

This is why modern physics research is crippled. The scientists don't have the education in philosophy and logic that would allow them to broaden the scope of alternative explanations for their results.

It doesn't help that in certain cases, turning your head away over and over very fast may alter experimental conditions. Because experimenter's haven't concentrated on truly exploring the difference between observation and measurement, we don't know how or under what conditions simply observing passively rather than measuring actively changes things.

Don't get me started on the number of assumptions that go into the interpretation of the double slit experiment.

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So that's why that fkin cat played dead every time we looked in its box. Who knew?
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Just have to embed this video, such a classic!

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LOVE that video, watched it many times.
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One of the oddest predictions of quantum theory – that a system can’t change while you’re watching it – has been confirmed in an experiment by Cornell physicists. Their work opens the door to a fundamentally new method to control and manipulate the quantum states of atoms and could lead to new kinds of sensors.

The experiments were performed in the Utracold Lab of Mukund Vengalattore, assistant professor of physics, who has established Cornell’s first program to study the physics of materials cooled to temperatures as low as .000000001 degree above absolute zero. The work is described in the Oct. 2 issue of the journal Physical Review Letters

[link to www.news.cornell.edu]

5a
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I have a feeling this goes not only for observing literally, i.e. keeping your eyes on something, but for any kind of focus on something in progress. Once your attention (attention = energy waves) is taken off it, the system is back to its free-flowing state in which changes can take place.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70674632


You (and the experimenters) are confusing active and passive measurement.

If I have to shoot a gun at a bowling ball repeatedly, and watch the ricochets to determine how fast the bowling ball is moving, it's understandable that measurement is going to alter the vector and speed of the object being measured.

If instead, I'm watching the black body radiation being emitted by the bowling ball, and determining how fast the bowling ball is moving, then common sense tells us my "measurement" can't effect the balls movement.

The problem is current interpretations of quantum theory says that if I look at the bowling ball, then turn my head away, and I do that over and over again really fast, the bowling ball will be halted in it's tracks. Then to prove it, they fire bullets from all directions really really fast at the bowling ball, which of course keeps it from moving. Then they interpret their experiment as if they'd just turned their head away over and over really fast.

This is why modern physics research is crippled. The scientists don't have the education in philosophy and logic that would allow them to broaden the scope of alternative explanations for their results.

It doesn't help that in certain cases, turning your head away over and over very fast may alter experimental conditions. Because experimenter's haven't concentrated on truly exploring the difference between observation and measurement, we don't know how or under what conditions simply observing passively rather than measuring actively changes things.

Don't get me started on the number of assumptions that go into the interpretation of the double slit experiment.

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Philosophy is irrelevant. It's just idle speculation over things that one can't even measure. If you can't measure anything, it's truth value is nil. Only things that you can measure and measure again are worth discussing seriously. The best thing that ever happened to natural sciences was when the philosophical sophistry was kicked out and we started relying only on experiments as the ultimate test for truth.
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The Zeno operating system on my quantum computer keeps freezing with a guru schrodinger meditation error zero or maybe.

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The Zeno operating system on my quantum computer keeps freezing with a guru schrodinger meditation error zero or maybe.

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Try rebooting, probably just some quints who got trapped in the temporal loop.
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Re: 'Zeno effect' verified: Atoms won't move while you watch
Thank You! You have just proved that SCIENCE DOES NOT EXIST!

If there can be no valid way to observe and experiment...

Then the supposed theory produced, becomes mere conjecture.

I Timothy 6:20 ...Oppositions of science falsely so called.
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Re: 'Zeno effect' verified: Atoms won't move while you watch
It all depends at how you are looking at them...they are not particles but waves. CERN is entirely build around trying to come up with human understanding of quanta - based on human theory. I suppose if you could cool something down that much, you could find that is slows - it's still a wave though.
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Bloch waves and femtotech ;)
Gotta get back to work.

Big "shout out" to the entities pushing forward with disclosure.
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Re: 'Zeno effect' verified: Atoms won't move while you watch
Well duh! When we stare at something we are bouncing light back and forth from what we are staring at..it's a physical interaction between the light beams being reflected from our eyes to the atoms of the object...ever wonder why sometimes you can feel someone staring at you? That's because it's a physical interaction😉...everyone on my planet knows this silly..
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Maybe on their planet the people have especially glowy eyes? Here on this planet light bounces off of pretty much everything. So the idea that light would only hit the atom when it bounced from our eyes is not really, shall we say a mature theory?





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