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The "Supposed" California UFO was a Missile Launch

 
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let's see, Esoterica persona says the world is flat and that people are being raped by reptilians on Mars...check

Esoterica then, is a persona on a software program being used to make small mind go insane and do stupid shit, and to discredit anyone researching the government, corporations, or politics. check

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Lol. Um you must be a noob? Either that or you are the OP and just avoiding my question. Your analysis is waaaaayyyyyy off. I just don't believe the official story. It is actually batshit to buy the narrative that our oh so honest media and govt tell us.
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what kind of crazy is this?
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There are these things called proxies, and multiples are frequently used on GLP
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Looks like a rocket to me. I'm working on some software for telescopically tracking any arbitrary object seen in the sky automatically. Unfortunately the universal ASCOM drivers won't work, they don't allow feedback loops while slewing, but I can at least code it for specific kinds of telescopes on a case by case basis.
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Dr. Astro check this test video out. The second stage matches up perfectly with what witnesses saw. I made a thread about it but it got shot down by apocalypse and alien tards. I believe that the flight and visual profile match up perfectly with a missile interceptor. Even the kinetic explosion that was witnessed seems to match up with a kinetic kill vehicle.

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i linked your thread just above for consideration. Astro will probably bring balance back to the thread, hopefully. instead of the crap to make people question their reality biz
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Thanks for the consideration! Just trying to get this information out there, thanks for including it in your thread!
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Looks like a rocket to me.
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I guarantee the rocket was a lot higher than 30,000 feet.
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So first it looks like a rocket, but few minutes later you guarantee it is actually a rocket? Which one is true? You can't have it both ways.

It looks like a rocket, but that's it. The "face" on Mars looks like a face too. Is it? Pareidolia, you know...
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Look, I've had more than a few years of experience watching rocket launches of all kinds up close. You can either accept my input, or you can bitch at me. I don't have time to waste on you if you just want to bitch at me though.
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Just tell me which one is true. Looks like a rocket or you guarantee it is a rocket? That's all I want.
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A silent rocket? No videos capture any sound, even airplanes at 30,000ft are audible.
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I guarantee the rocket was a lot higher than 30,000 feet. If you're not near the initial launch site you won't hear it. You can see rockets that launch from Cape Canaveral clear across the other side of the state, but you won't hear it from there.
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I have a question Doc, why was there no light or smoke, trail from the launch location? It got light when it was already high up?
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Looks like a rocket to me. I'm working on some software for telescopically tracking any arbitrary object seen in the sky automatically. Unfortunately the universal ASCOM drivers won't work, they don't allow feedback loops while slewing, but I can at least code it for specific kinds of telescopes on a case by case basis.
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Dr. Astro check this test video out. The second stage matches up perfectly with what witnesses saw. I made a thread about it but it got shot down by apocalypse and alien tards. I believe that the flight and visual profile match up perfectly with a missile interceptor. Even the kinetic explosion that was witnessed seems to match up with a kinetic kill vehicle.

[link to youtu.be (secure)]
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i linked your thread just above for consideration. Astro will probably bring balance back to the thread, hopefully. instead of the crap to make people question their reality biz
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Thanks for the consideration! Just trying to get this information out there, thanks for including it in your thread!
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no problem
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A silent rocket? No videos capture any sound, even airplanes at 30,000ft are audible.
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I guarantee the rocket was a lot higher than 30,000 feet. If you're not near the initial launch site you won't hear it. You can see rockets that launch from Cape Canaveral clear across the other side of the state, but you won't hear it from there.
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I have a question Doc, why was there no light or smoke, trail from the launch location? It got light when it was already high up?
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Tell me, what time was the object seen?
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It would look like a dim little star until the engines shut down, then vanish.
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Haha, you haven't watched many rocket launches, have you? Ever see a pre-dawn or early-evening rocket launch? Just after dark but while the rocket still has line of sight to the sun at altitude? Little star? Not hardly.
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I meant that it wold look that way from hundreds of miles away. Not at the launch sight, Poindexter.
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A silent rocket? No videos capture any sound, even airplanes at 30,000ft are audible.
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I guarantee the rocket was a lot higher than 30,000 feet. If you're not near the initial launch site you won't hear it. You can see rockets that launch from Cape Canaveral clear across the other side of the state, but you won't hear it from there.
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I have a question Doc, why was there no light or smoke, trail from the launch location? It got light when it was already high up?
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Tell me, what time was the object seen?
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I realize it was nighttime, however, there was light present, so why would there not be a visible light right from the launch all the way through? I'm not trying to argue, I truly am perplexed by this.
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A silent rocket? No videos capture any sound, even airplanes at 30,000ft are audible.
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I guarantee the rocket was a lot higher than 30,000 feet. If you're not near the initial launch site you won't hear it. You can see rockets that launch from Cape Canaveral clear across the other side of the state, but you won't hear it from there.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


I have a question Doc, why was there no light or smoke, trail from the launch location? It got light when it was already high up?
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Tell me, what time was the object seen?
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OMG!! I found the UFO!
[link to www.kentucky.navy.mil]
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Here's the manifest:

November 7, USS Kentucky successfully launched an unarmed Trident II missile, at around 6 p.m. local time, during a Follow-on CINC Evaluation Test at the Pacific Missile Range off the coast of Port Hueneme, Calif.
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Crazy, I just got home from getting groceries and got to see this from start to finish in my driveway. At first I thought a plane was on fire in the sky as there were spark flying off it.

Then it looked like a huge headlight lit up in the sky. After it disappeared there was a green aura in the sky where the light was.

Seeing the whole thing with my own eyes, there is no way that this was a missile.

Could have been a meteor, space object or UFO. What's more concerning is why the government is is lying about it being a missile because there is no way that was a missile.
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I guarantee the rocket was a lot higher than 30,000 feet. If you're not near the initial launch site you won't hear it. You can see rockets that launch from Cape Canaveral clear across the other side of the state, but you won't hear it from there.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


I have a question Doc, why was there no light or smoke, trail from the launch location? It got light when it was already high up?
 Quoting: Esoterica


Tell me, what time was the object seen?
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I realize it was nighttime, however, there was light present, so why would there not be a visible light right from the launch all the way through? I'm not trying to argue, I truly am perplexed by this.
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Like the propulsion. Seems to me it should have been visible on the way up, not just when it was up.
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A silent rocket? No videos capture any sound, even airplanes at 30,000ft are audible.
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I guarantee the rocket was a lot higher than 30,000 feet. If you're not near the initial launch site you won't hear it. You can see rockets that launch from Cape Canaveral clear across the other side of the state, but you won't hear it from there.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


I have a question Doc, why was there no light or smoke, trail from the launch location? It got light when it was already high up?
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Tell me, what time was the object seen?
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The rockets usually have a red or orange glow on them when launched at dark, why the blue/green plume behind it?
Also looks like a distinctive blue line trailing behind at one point in the video?
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Looks like a rocket to me. I'm working on some software for telescopically tracking any arbitrary object seen in the sky automatically. Unfortunately the universal ASCOM drivers won't work, they don't allow feedback loops while slewing, but I can at least code it for specific kinds of telescopes on a case by case basis.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


Dr. Astro check this test video out. The second stage matches up perfectly with what witnesses saw. I made a thread about it but it got shot down by apocalypse and alien tards. I believe that the flight and visual profile match up perfectly with a missile interceptor. Even the kinetic explosion that was witnessed seems to match up with a kinetic kill vehicle.

[link to youtu.be (secure)]
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Honestly I haven't even had time to get up to speed on all the videos/reports of what was seen yet, but based on the video I saw it does appear to be a rocket launch. I'm fully engrossed right now on trying to get my tracking software up and running.
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Thank you for your consideration. Hoping that some sane and rational theories will emerge that will calm this place down.
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I guarantee the rocket was a lot higher than 30,000 feet. If you're not near the initial launch site you won't hear it. You can see rockets that launch from Cape Canaveral clear across the other side of the state, but you won't hear it from there.
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I have a question Doc, why was there no light or smoke, trail from the launch location? It got light when it was already high up?
 Quoting: Esoterica


Tell me, what time was the object seen?
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


The rockets usually have a red or orange glow on them when launched at dark, why the blue/green plume behind it?
Also looks like a distinctive blue line trailing behind at one point in the video?
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And just the fact the glow should have been visible the entire time from launch. It was not.
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You guys remember this from a year ago? Also in California: [link to www.wnd.com]
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Best video I've found so far here - [link to www.youtube.com (secure)]
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I guarantee the rocket was a lot higher than 30,000 feet. If you're not near the initial launch site you won't hear it. You can see rockets that launch from Cape Canaveral clear across the other side of the state, but you won't hear it from there.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


I have a question Doc, why was there no light or smoke, trail from the launch location? It got light when it was already high up?
 Quoting: Esoterica


Tell me, what time was the object seen?
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


The rockets usually have a red or orange glow on them when launched at dark, why the blue/green plume behind it?
Also looks like a distinctive blue line trailing behind at one point in the video?
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Naval missile test off California creates streaking light

SAN DIEGO (AP) - The Navy fired an unarmed missile from a submarine off the coast of Southern California on Saturday, creating a bright light that streaked across the state and was visible as far away as Nevada and Arizona.

A Navy spokesman told The San Diego Union-Tribune the Navy Strategic Systems Programs conducted the missile test at sea Saturday from the USS Kentucky, a ballistic missile submarine.

The lack of information about the streak of light around sunset led to a flurry of calls to law enforcement agencies and lit up social media as people posted photos and video of the celestial sight.

It wasn't clear whether the test was related to the rerouting of nighttime flights into and out of Los Angeles International Airport because of an active military airspace from Friday to Nov. 12.

The test was conducted in the Pacific Test Range, a vast area northwest of Los Angeles where the Navy periodically test-fires Tomahawk and Standard cruise missiles from surface ships and submarines.

[link to www.komonews.com]
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From 3:15 you can see the same effect as the recent launch.
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Twilight phenomena, high altitude ice crystals forming in the rocket exhaust plume creating pink, blue, green and orange colours in the night sky.


Rocket Trails at Twilight Illuminate the Sky
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Crazy, I just got home from getting groceries and got to see this from start to finish in my driveway. At first I thought a plane was on fire in the sky as there were spark flying off it.

Then it looked like a huge headlight lit up in the sky. After it disappeared there was a green aura in the sky where the light was.

Seeing the whole thing with my own eyes, there is no way that this was a missile.

Could have been a meteor, space object or UFO. What's more concerning is why the government is is lying about it being a missile because there is no way that was a missile.
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What makes you so sure it was not a missile???

Have you seen many launches?


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It looks like the Russians did an ICBM launch from a submarine, right in the middle of U.S. war games off the California coast
This was a huge event, which was seen in Mexico, California, Colorado, Arizona, Nevada and Utah.

This is the official story:
Navy Strategic Systems Programs conducted the scheduled Trident II (D5) missile test flight at sea from the Kentucky, an Ohio-class ballistic missile submarine, in the Pacific Test Range off the coast of Southern California, a Navy spokesman said.  

PROBLEM: Though there were war games scheduled, there was no missile launch scheduled (despite claims) AND HERE IS THE KICKER: According to the "experts" on various forums, Trident II missiles have a red flame, and Russian ICBM's have a stunning blue flame that leaves a huge blue trail long after the missile is gone. And this ICBM had a stunning blue flame that left a glowing trail in the sky for 15 minutes after the launch. AND HERE IS THE KICKER: ITS TRAJECTORY APPEARS TO HAVE BEEN ONE THAT WOULD HAVE MADE IT LAND IN SIBERIA. Figure the odds for that one. America would not test fire an ICBM on a trajectory for Russia!
If Russia really did do this, it would have definitely sent a message that goes something like: "You can't get us, we can be right where you are looking and you will still lose LA."

Now the only thing to be fully confirmed is that a Trident burns red. I do not know what does what, but there are experts out there reading that can confirm this. If the "experts" online are correct about the color of the flame, Russia just pulled a big one.
Keep in mind that U.S. forces may be doing a huge whitewash right now, they are claiming it was ours, but I think that would be expected to keep Americans from panicking. If Russian ICBM's really do burn blue, and the Trident has a history of burning red, then the only way this thing was not Russian is if America changed the fuel chemistry, which in an established weapons system is a really fat chance! And come to think of it, this is how this would be done for max effect: One minute before America was supposed to test fire a Trident, Russia fires theirs in close proximity to where America's was supposed to launch from. What would this mean? It would mean: We can break your encryption, know what you were going to do, hide from you right where you are looking and do it on your own schedule! I would not be surprised if that is what really went on. That would be quite the chess board.

Even if this missile really was American, the fact one got fired at all, at $31 million a pop for the type claimed, would send an ominous message. And what was the schedule for these war games? Not on the drawing board before that shoot down over Egypt.
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Make a thread about this, please!

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Navy says southern California 'UFO sighting' was test missile launch
[link to www.theguardian.com]
Strange light streaking across Californian sky is actually a Trident missile test
[link to www.telegraph.co.uk]
Navy does missile test off coast, creates streaking light
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Look....all you posters who say this was a missile launch.....maybe it was. (I don't think so personally but I could be wrong on that.) BUT WHO LAUNCHED IT? FOR WHAT PURPOSE?

Here's the point....The US government is saying that it launched this spectacular missile in the middle of the night over a densely populated area, with no warning in a manner so it could be seen by MILLIONS OF PEOPLE, many of them taking videos and pics.

Now....do you REALLY believe that? I might believe that this was an ACCIDENT, (which is the cover story the govt SHOULD have gone with) in which case someone should be courtmartialed, but this was not a "normal" operation.

THIS WAS MEANT TO BE SEEN.

And when you combine this with the mystery "secret" operations at LAX that we all know about....what does it add up to?

Was that a Russian or Chinese missile? Was it something else? I don't know. What I do know - based on common sense and vast prior experience is - OUR GOVERNMENT IS LYING TO US AGAIN. And I am SICK OF IT.

Tell us the fucking truth for once. Stop insulting the intelligence of the maybe 30% of the population who give a damn enough to ask questions and maybe even vote. Just tell us the FUCKING TRUTH.
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I have a question Doc, why was there no light or smoke, trail from the launch location? It got light when it was already high up?
 Quoting: Esoterica


Tell me, what time was the object seen?
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


The rockets usually have a red or orange glow on them when launched at dark, why the blue/green plume behind it?
Also looks like a distinctive blue line trailing behind at one point in the video?
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And just the fact the glow should have been visible the entire time from launch. It was not.
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You didn't answer my question. Answer my question. It matters.
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From 3:15 you can see the same effect as the recent launch.
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Sorry, not the same effect. Does anyone else see the little shining dot in front of the object?
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It looks like the Russians did an ICBM launch from a submarine, right in the middle of U.S. war games off the California coast
This was a huge event, which was seen in Mexico, California, Colorado, Arizona, Nevada and Utah.

This is the official story:
Navy Strategic Systems Programs conducted the scheduled Trident II (D5) missile test flight at sea from the Kentucky, an Ohio-class ballistic missile submarine, in the Pacific Test Range off the coast of Southern California, a Navy spokesman said.  

PROBLEM: Though there were war games scheduled, there was no missile launch scheduled (despite claims) AND HERE IS THE KICKER: According to the "experts" on various forums, Trident II missiles have a red flame, and Russian ICBM's have a stunning blue flame that leaves a huge blue trail long after the missile is gone. And this ICBM had a stunning blue flame that left a glowing trail in the sky for 15 minutes after the launch. AND HERE IS THE KICKER: ITS TRAJECTORY APPEARS TO HAVE BEEN ONE THAT WOULD HAVE MADE IT LAND IN SIBERIA. Figure the odds for that one. America would not test fire an ICBM on a trajectory for Russia!
If Russia really did do this, it would have definitely sent a message that goes something like: "You can't get us, we can be right where you are looking and you will still lose LA."

Now the only thing to be fully confirmed is that a Trident burns red. I do not know what does what, but there are experts out there reading that can confirm this. If the "experts" online are correct about the color of the flame, Russia just pulled a big one.
Keep in mind that U.S. forces may be doing a huge whitewash right now, they are claiming it was ours, but I think that would be expected to keep Americans from panicking. If Russian ICBM's really do burn blue, and the Trident has a history of burning red, then the only way this thing was not Russian is if America changed the fuel chemistry, which in an established weapons system is a really fat chance! And come to think of it, this is how this would be done for max effect: One minute before America was supposed to test fire a Trident, Russia fires theirs in close proximity to where America's was supposed to launch from. What would this mean? It would mean: We can break your encryption, know what you were going to do, hide from you right where you are looking and do it on your own schedule! I would not be surprised if that is what really went on. That would be quite the chess board.

Even if this missile really was American, the fact one got fired at all, at $31 million a pop for the type claimed, would send an ominous message. And what was the schedule for these war games? Not on the drawing board before that shoot down over Egypt.
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will check this out. the color is important.
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From 3:15 you can see the same effect as the recent launch.
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Yup.
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It looks like the Russians did an ICBM launch from a submarine, right in the middle of U.S. war games off the California coast
This was a huge event, which was seen in Mexico, California, Colorado, Arizona, Nevada and Utah.

This is the official story:
Navy Strategic Systems Programs conducted the scheduled Trident II (D5) missile test flight at sea from the Kentucky, an Ohio-class ballistic missile submarine, in the Pacific Test Range off the coast of Southern California, a Navy spokesman said.  

PROBLEM: Though there were war games scheduled, there was no missile launch scheduled (despite claims) AND HERE IS THE KICKER: According to the "experts" on various forums, Trident II missiles have a red flame, and Russian ICBM's have a stunning blue flame that leaves a huge blue trail long after the missile is gone. And this ICBM had a stunning blue flame that left a glowing trail in the sky for 15 minutes after the launch. AND HERE IS THE KICKER: ITS TRAJECTORY APPEARS TO HAVE BEEN ONE THAT WOULD HAVE MADE IT LAND IN SIBERIA. Figure the odds for that one. America would not test fire an ICBM on a trajectory for Russia!
If Russia really did do this, it would have definitely sent a message that goes something like: "You can't get us, we can be right where you are looking and you will still lose LA."

Now the only thing to be fully confirmed is that a Trident burns red. I do not know what does what, but there are experts out there reading that can confirm this. If the "experts" online are correct about the color of the flame, Russia just pulled a big one.
Keep in mind that U.S. forces may be doing a huge whitewash right now, they are claiming it was ours, but I think that would be expected to keep Americans from panicking. If Russian ICBM's really do burn blue, and the Trident has a history of burning red, then the only way this thing was not Russian is if America changed the fuel chemistry, which in an established weapons system is a really fat chance! And come to think of it, this is how this would be done for max effect: One minute before America was supposed to test fire a Trident, Russia fires theirs in close proximity to where America's was supposed to launch from. What would this mean? It would mean: We can break your encryption, know what you were going to do, hide from you right where you are looking and do it on your own schedule! I would not be surprised if that is what really went on. That would be quite the chess board.

Even if this missile really was American, the fact one got fired at all, at $31 million a pop for the type claimed, would send an ominous message. And what was the schedule for these war games? Not on the drawing board before that shoot down over Egypt.
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Make a thread about this, please!

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I agree - PLEASE MAKE A THREAD ABOUT THIS!!! and thank you for your post!

This was OBVIOUSLY a message. I figured from Russia as I don't think China would want to freak out its major debtor and market - and we're no threat to China anyway...they own us financially and make all our shit and Obama and the donor class can't bow low enough.

If anything, this is most likely about Russia sending us a very effective message.
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Re: The "Supposed" California UFO was a Missile Launch
Interesting.





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