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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 74035 United Kingdom 10/11/2006 04:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Until recently, the State only fingerprinted criminals. As parents at a primary school in Cambridge, we were horrified to learn that all this is changing. (read what the BBC said: [link to news.bbc.co.uk] ) In 3,500 primary schools across the UK, impressionable children aged from 5 to 11 are being fingerprinted. 3/4 of a million have already been processed, and 20 schools a week are joining the scheme. If you're a parent, your school could be next. But even if you're not, is this really the kind of society we want to live in? The whole process may be illegal. We haven't found a single parent who was ever asked for their permission. Many were not even informed until afterwards. Some parents only found out when they asked their children "what did you do at school today?" But at our school, in Cambridge, concerned parents decided to do something about the multi-million pound business of fingerprinting 5-year-olds without asking permission. To find out what happened, and how you can help us, please visit [link to www.LeaveThemKidsAlone.com] Your child could be next. Why does it all matter? Because a PIN number or library card is something you have - they can easily be replaced - a fingerprint is something you are - it's yours for life. For some reason, this story hasn't been splashed across the front pages of the newspapers, or featured prominently on the TV news. Please help us to spread the word so as many people as possible find out what's going on. It's the only way we're going to get this stopped. * * Please forward this whole email, including this request, to any friends or colleagues who might be interested. Thank you. * * Concerned Parents, St Matthew's Primary School, Cambridge |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 74035 United Kingdom 10/12/2006 03:23 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It's for their protection. It's not a big deal! And you don't need to shout. My eyes are just fine. Quoting: JosiePerhaps you could explain how it is you beleive this could be for their own protection? And while were at it, what colour is the sky in your world? |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 74035 United Kingdom 10/12/2006 03:26 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | OP I think you are over reacting! Quoting: GrendelmortDid you even bother to look at the links I posted? Do you realise that the police, security services or pretty much anyone on government can demand to see these records? Thats assuming there isnt a back-door in the system and they dont ALREADY have it all. Have you lost your powers of discernement? Do you really have that much faith in your government? The same government which has PROVABLY lied to us about Iraq, Afghanistan, Lebanaon, Iran, Syria, 911, 711, OKC??? Are you sedated??? again - IF YOU'RE NOT OUTRAGED, YOU'RE NOT PAYING ATTENTION |
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robin nli User ID: 47797 United States 10/12/2006 05:15 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | im here in the us, and i wouldnt want them to fingerprint my children. its none of their business. im so sorry the uk is doing this . if it wasnt very IMPORTANT for them, theyd get permission. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 74035 United Kingdom 10/12/2006 05:31 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | on the 'surface', it sounds harmless...but i dont like it one bit. Quoting: robin nli 47797im here in the us, and i wouldnt want them to fingerprint my children. its none of their business. im so sorry the uk is doing this . if it wasnt very IMPORTANT for them, theyd get permission. I have a nasty feeling its already happening in the US too Check the link to LTKA - im pretty sure there are posts form the US too. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 47797 United States 10/12/2006 05:54 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Schools in fingerprinting row Prints are said to make libraries more efficient Tens of thousands of children are being fingerprinted in school - often without the consent of their parents, a human rights group has complained. Prints are taken for a library lending system which the makers say makes lending more efficient and less vulnerable to abuse. But the pressure group Privacy International says the practice is illegal and breaches the human right to privacy. Dangerous One of the makers of the technology, Micro Librarian Systems (MLS), say they have sold about 1,000 systems to schools in the UK and abroad. One mother from London told BBC News Online she was horrified when her son came home and told her he had been finger-printed at his primary school. She said: "I consider that this was an infringement of my son's civil rights and a breach of trust on the part of the school. "This should not have been done at all, and certainly not without our consent, or indeed knowledge. "If my child had been arrested, I believe the police would not have a right to take fingerprints without our consent and access to a solicitor." She said the new system may have been mentioned in a newsletter when her son was off sick, but she was never asked for consent. The school has now removed her son's details from the system and says it will respect the wishes of other parents who want it to do the same. Simon Davies, of the campaign group Privacy International says the practice of finger-printing children in this way is "dangerous, illegal and unnecessary". He says the use of the technology should be banned in schools. "It de-humanises our children and degrades their human rights," he said. "Such a process has the effect of softening children up for such initiatives as ID cards and DNA testing. "It's clearly a case of 'get them while they're young'. "They are seen as a soft target for this technology". Encrypted Manufacturers MLS say it would be very difficult for a third party to access the prints and make use of them. The company's technology director Stephen Phillips said: "The system does not store the actual fingerprint, but a map of it which takes in the print's key features. "The image is then compressed and encrypted, so it would take a lot of effort to use it. "People who have nothing to hide - why would they worry?" Mr Phillips said the company advised schools to consult or inform parents before they used the technology. He said only two parents had complained about the use of the technology to the company. Privacy International says it expects there to be legal challenges to the use of the technology in schools. But the government's information commissioner does not believe the system is breaking any laws or conventions. Assistant to the commissioner, Phil Boyd said: "It is not in breach of the data protection act and it does not contravene the human rights act." He said officials had been to check the system and thought it was impressive in terms of the security of the data. "If it was being used to track pupils it would be different, but this use of the technology is fine," he said. Officials at the Department for Education said the matter was one for head teachers and governing bodies, who had to ensure they stayed within the law. |
no1uknow User ID: 153895 New Zealand 10/12/2006 06:01 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It's for their protection. It's not a big deal! And you don't need to shout. My eyes are just fine. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 74035Perhaps you could explain how it is you beleive this could be for their own protection? And while were at it, what colour is the sky in your world? Protection from what exactly ? *STOP (stupid religion based) WAR* |
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Thundercheeks User ID: 148528 Australia 10/12/2006 07:15 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | OK..Now flash forward about 20 years and in the news there's a new serial killer on the loose. He/she abducts young kids and murders them. The killer has no prior record apart from the time he/she was finger printed at the age of 4 or 5, which more than likely he/she has forgotten about. The killer gets sloppy and leaves an excellent set of prints on the car that has been identified by a witness who saw the victim get into his/her car, FBI runs the prints and finds out it's Joe Average,who lives down "I can't believe it was him" Ave.As far fetched as it may sound ...it could happen, and i would bet everything i had, if it were your little boy/girl that went missing? you would hope to god that the killer was one of these kids that had been printed all those years ago. Just one take on it. Brakes is gone!! "Weeze fweewheelin!" Just say "NO!" to Luciferian Insectazoids. "I am not here"...what is here?..Isn't here just there without a T...? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 153922 Australia 10/12/2006 07:20 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | "It de-humanises our children and degrades their human rights," he said. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 47797"Such a process has the effect of softening children up for such initiatives as ID cards and DNA testing. "It's clearly a case of 'get them while they're young'. Exactly. Schools are sheeple training centres. |
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PEACE User ID: 153930 Ireland 10/12/2006 07:42 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | they are also collecting DNA in uk. The DNA profiles from more than 750,000 juveniles have been added to the UK's National DNA Database since its inception in 1995. Approximately a third of these samples were obtained in the last two years as the table below illustrates[1]: Estimated Number of 10 to 17 year olds added to the Database Year 1995 3,163 1996 11,719 1997 18,387 1998 32,810 1999 42,631 2000 70,627 2001 95,471 2002 96,359 2003 86,291 2004 101,503 2005 126,787 to date The expansion of the database in 2001 to allow for retention of samples even after charges are dropped or an acquittal is obtained, has led to the profiles of 24,000 innocent children and teenagers being kept on the ‘criminal database’. The Sunday Times asserts that some of these children may have simply been victims of or witnesses to an incident. |