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Are You Justified By Obeying God's Law?

 
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We are justified by faith alone.
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Are you sure, here's Jesus own words
Mathew 5:19

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Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
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We are justified by faith alone.
 Quoting: A Friend

Are you sure, here's Jesus own words
Mathew 5:19

King James Bible
Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
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Few Christians care what that guys has to say.

Matthew 19:17
"Why do you ask me about what is good?" Jesus replied. "There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, keep the commandments."
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Obeying God is the only way.
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Indeed, and only God can do it!
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The Law of Moses is for humans, God does not need to follow any laws.

You got confused by the Talmudists, aka Pharisees.
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Obeying God is the only way.
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Indeed, and only God can do it!
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The Law of Moses is for humans, God does not need to follow any laws.

You got confused by the Talmudists, aka Pharisees.
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We are justified by faith alone.
 Quoting: A Friend

Are you sure, here's Jesus own words
Mathew 5:19

King James Bible
Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70853770


Few Christians care what that guys has to say.

Matthew 19:17
"Why do you ask me about what is good?" Jesus replied. "There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, keep the commandments."
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And when the multitudes heard this, they were astonished at His teaching.

But when the Pharisees heard that He had silenced the Sadducees, they gathered together.

Then one of them, a lawyer, asked Him a question, testing Him, and saying,

"Teacher, which is the great commandment in the law?"

Jesus said to him,

"'You shall love the LORD your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.'

This is the first and great commandment.

And the second is like it: 'You shall love your neighbor as yourself.'

On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."



Matthew 22:33-40
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God is love.
We are justified by obeying Jesus' command to love God with our whole heart, mind and soul, and our neighbor as ourselves!

That is the REAL Golden Rule!
(Not he who has the gold makes the rules).
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Sweden Anonymous Coward 70853822,

Are you justifed by you or by Christ?
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God is love.
We are justified by obeying Jesus' command to love God with our whole heart, mind and soul, and our neighbor as ourselves!

That is the REAL Golden Rule!
(Not he who has the gold makes the rules).
 Quoting: Anonymous 24342866


And how do we love YHWH?

1 John 5:3
In fact, this is love for God: to keep his commands. And his commands are not burdensome,

And that God is YHWH Whom Jesus called Father, and not the pagan trinity.
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NO ONE is justified by TRYING to follow
the Law.
I say TRYING because NO ONE CAN follow
the Law perfectly.
NO ONE except Jesus Christ.

He wrote the Law with His own finger.

FAITH is the ONLY thing that can justify.

Without FAITH, you CANNOT please God.


HEBREWS 11
1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

2 For by it the elders obtained a good report.

3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.

4 By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaketh.

5 By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.

6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

7 By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith.

8 By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went.

9 By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise:

10 For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God.

11 Through faith also Sara herself received strength to conceive seed, and was delivered of a child when she was past age, because she judged him faithful who had promised.

12 Therefore sprang there even of one, and him as good as dead, so many as the stars of the sky in multitude, and as the sand which is by the sea shore innumerable.

13 These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.

14 For they that say such things declare plainly that they seek a country.

15 And truly, if they had been mindful of that country from whence they came out, they might have had opportunity to have returned.

16 But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.

17 By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten son,

18 Of whom it was said, That in Isaac shall thy seed be called:

19 Accounting that God was able to raise him up, even from the dead; from whence also he received him in a figure.

20 By faith Isaac blessed Jacob and Esau concerning things to come.

21 By faith Jacob, when he was a dying, blessed both the sons of Joseph; and worshipped, leaning upon the top of his staff.

22 By faith Joseph, when he died, made mention of the departing of the children of Israel; and gave commandment concerning his bones.

23 By faith Moses, when he was born, was hid three months of his parents, because they saw he was a proper child; and they were not afraid of the king's commandment.

24 By faith Moses, when he was come to years, refused to be called the son of Pharaoh's daughter;

25 Choosing rather to suffer affliction with the people of God, than to enjoy the pleasures of sin for a season;

26 Esteeming the reproach of Christ greater riches than the treasures in Egypt: for he had respect unto the recompence of the reward.

27 By faith he forsook Egypt, not fearing the wrath of the king: for he endured, as seeing him who is invisible.

28 Through faith he kept the passover, and the sprinkling of blood, lest he that destroyed the firstborn should touch them.

29 By faith they passed through the Red sea as by dry land: which the Egyptians assaying to do were drowned.

30 By faith the walls of Jericho fell down, after they were compassed about seven days.

31 By faith the harlot Rahab perished not with them that believed not, when she had received the spies with peace.

32 And what shall I more say? for the time would fail me to tell of Gedeon, and of Barak, and of Samson, and of Jephthae; of David also, and Samuel, and of the prophets:

33 Who through faith subdued kingdoms, wrought righteousness, obtained promises, stopped the mouths of lions.

34 Quenched the violence of fire, escaped the edge of the sword, out of weakness were made strong, waxed valiant in fight, turned to flight the armies of the aliens.

35 Women received their dead raised to life again: and others were tortured, not accepting deliverance; that they might obtain a better resurrection:

36 And others had trial of cruel mockings and scourgings, yea, moreover of bonds and imprisonment:

37 They were stoned, they were sawn asunder, were tempted, were slain with the sword: they wandered about in sheepskins and goatskins; being destitute, afflicted, tormented;

38 (Of whom the world was not worthy:) they wandered in deserts, and in mountains, and in dens and caves of the earth.

39 And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise:

40 God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect.
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As Christians we are both justified,
and sanctified by FAITH in Jesus Christ,
the only Savior this world ever has,
or ever will get,
and what He did on Calvary.
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Sweden AC,

Are you justifed by you or by Christ?
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NO ONE is justified by TRYING to follow
the Law.
I say TRYING because NO ONE CAN follow
the Law perfectly.
NO ONE except Jesus Christ.

He wrote the Law with His own finger.

FAITH is the ONLY thing that can justify.

Without FAITH, you CANNOT please God.


HEBREWS 11
1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

2 For by it the elders obtained a good report.

3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.

4 By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaketh.

5 By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.

6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

7 By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith.

8 By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went.

9 By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise:

10 For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God.

11 Through faith also Sara herself received strength to conceive seed, and was delivered of a child when she was past age, because she judged him faithful who had promised.

12 Therefore sprang there even of one, and him as good as dead, so many as the stars of the sky in multitude, and as the sand which is by the sea shore innumerable.

13 These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.

14 For they that say such things declare plainly that they seek a country.

15 And truly, if they had been mindful of that country from whence they came out, they might have had opportunity to have returned.

16 But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.

17 By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten son,

18 Of whom it was said, That in Isaac shall thy seed be called:

19 Accounting that God was able to raise him up, even from the dead; from whence also he received him in a figure.

20 By faith Isaac blessed Jacob and Esau concerning things to come.

21 By faith Jacob, when he was a dying, blessed both the sons of Joseph; and worshipped, leaning upon the top of his staff.

22 By faith Joseph, when he died, made mention of the departing of the children of Israel; and gave commandment concerning his bones.

23 By faith Moses, when he was born, was hid three months of his parents, because they saw he was a proper child; and they were not afraid of the king's commandment.

24 By faith Moses, when he was come to years, refused to be called the son of Pharaoh's daughter;

25 Choosing rather to suffer affliction with the people of God, than to enjoy the pleasures of sin for a season;

26 Esteeming the reproach of Christ greater riches than the treasures in Egypt: for he had respect unto the recompence of the reward.

27 By faith he forsook Egypt, not fearing the wrath of the king: for he endured, as seeing him who is invisible.

28 Through faith he kept the passover, and the sprinkling of blood, lest he that destroyed the firstborn should touch them.

29 By faith they passed through the Red sea as by dry land: which the Egyptians assaying to do were drowned.

30 By faith the walls of Jericho fell down, after they were compassed about seven days.

31 By faith the harlot Rahab perished not with them that believed not, when she had received the spies with peace.

32 And what shall I more say? for the time would fail me to tell of Gedeon, and of Barak, and of Samson, and of Jephthae; of David also, and Samuel, and of the prophets:

33 Who through faith subdued kingdoms, wrought righteousness, obtained promises, stopped the mouths of lions.

34 Quenched the violence of fire, escaped the edge of the sword, out of weakness were made strong, waxed valiant in fight, turned to flight the armies of the aliens.

35 Women received their dead raised to life again: and others were tortured, not accepting deliverance; that they might obtain a better resurrection:

36 And others had trial of cruel mockings and scourgings, yea, moreover of bonds and imprisonment:

37 They were stoned, they were sawn asunder, were tempted, were slain with the sword: they wandered about in sheepskins and goatskins; being destitute, afflicted, tormented;

38 (Of whom the world was not worthy:) they wandered in deserts, and in mountains, and in dens and caves of the earth.

39 And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise:

40 God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect.

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Amen!
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Are you justifed by you or by Christ?
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Sweden means well, he really does, as do ALL people who try to earn their righteousness. Not seeing that its only by the blood of Christ and FAITH ALONE in what He accomplished at the Cross. You must be born again.
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Sweden AC,

Are you justifed by you or by Christ?
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Sweden AC,

Are you justifed by you or by Christ?
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You guys don't even know what the word or concept justified means.
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Sweden AC,

Are you justifed by you or by Christ?
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Sweden means well, he really does, as do ALL people who try to earn their righteousness. Not seeing that its only by the blood of Christ and FAITH ALONE in what He accomplished at the Cross. You must be born again.
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If you are born of of the spirit you will obey according to the spirit.
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The law, wasn't meant to be something we are justified by, or as a punishment. If you want to live, a long and healthy life, follow the Law. All of the Law, has sound reasons for why it exists. The "Law", people often deride, is the ultimate survival manual.

The one reason why it was so utterly important, was to ensure the optimal environment(healthy conditions), for the Messiah to be born into the world, and raised up to adulthood.

For example, one who follows the Law, would largely be immune to the poisons and toxins in our food system. The fish and seafood we shouldn't eat, are bottom feeders, and more likely to have harmful stuff in them. Same with other things, about the Law. Soldiers coming back from war/battle, would have to spend a week at rest, before coming home(to decompress), as well as the Law's, in regard to blood, it is all designed to keep people as physically and mentally, healthy as possible.
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Sweden AC,

Are you justifed by you or by Christ?
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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23824129

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23824129


You guys don't even know what the word or concept justified means.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 60850056


Sweden AC,

Are you justifed by you or by Christ?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70844408

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23824129


Sweden means well, he really does, as do ALL people who try to earn their righteousness. Not seeing that its only by the blood of Christ and FAITH ALONE in what He accomplished at the Cross. You must be born again.
 Quoting: SignsOfTheTimes


If you are born of of the spirit you will obey according to the spirit.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 60850056


Sweden AC,

Are you justifed by you or by Christ?
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Sweden AC,

Are you justifed by you

or are you justifed by Christ?
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Sweden AC,

Are you justified by you

or are you justified by Christ?

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Quote me a Antilaw Scripture from anybody but Paul , that's your Challenge .. I'll be Waiting
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Quote me a Antilaw Scripture from anybody but Paul , that's your Challenge .. I'll be Waiting
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Paul wasn't even against the Law, if you study carefully what he said. He said, to paraphrase, "it is better for Gentiles to come to the Lord, then not to. It took Jew's thousands of years to get Kosher down themselves, one cannot expect the Gentiles to do better overnight".

Even Paul, was pro-Law, just in a sneaky Progressive kind of way. He wanted it, to be something that is slowly introduced over time. It's been over 2,000 years, but many who claim to be Christians, kept hitting the snooze button, generation after generation.
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Quote me a Antilaw Scripture from anybody but Paul , that's your Challenge .. I'll be Waiting
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How much of the Law do you have to obey?

What is the passing grade?
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How many of the laws must you obey? All of them?

How often? Always? All the time?

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To answer your thread title question, absolutely NOT.

Should we attempt to be obedient to God.

Absolutely YES.
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We are justified by faith alone.
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Faith is Righteousness according to God.
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Thread: Faith
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We are justified by faith alone.
 Quoting: A Friend

Are you sure, here's Jesus own words
Mathew 5:19

King James Bible
Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
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Yes the ones who think that the law will save them without faith are cursed w/sin and death...we are to follow the law and have faith in Jesus also
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Justification is by Christs blood alone.

Sanctification is by keeping His Commandments.


Simple stuff.

Amazing how many "christians" hate Gods 10 precepts.
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He has shown you, O man, what is good;
And what does the LORD require of you

to do justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God


You shall love the LORD your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.

You shall love your neighbor as yourself.


 Quoting: GOD

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