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I have flown and been around planes of the size that hit building in NYC. I have no idea how this could of happened!!!!

 
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I have flown and been around planes of the size that hit building in NYC. I have no idea how this could of happened!!!!
Does anyone have any idea of how this happened?

First of all when you are around any city or where you have no plan B as far as force landing goes you play everything safe.

Plan B is when you see that a small plane has landed on interstate.

Its not great to do something like that but its better than landing in a house.

This guy had money for complete training and he had a great plane.

He was young, bright, and had no reason to do something like this on purpose.

Looking at it and trying to understand what could of happened I have no idea unless something major happened to the plane. The chance of that is so small its of the scale.

I guess time will tell, maybe.
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10/12/2006 03:15 AM
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Re: I have flown and been around planes of the size that hit building in NYC. I have no idea how this could of happened!!!!
Possibly somebody with a lot of power is playing games with everybody and has a thing for numbers, such as 10/11/06 being like 9/11/01 upside down, or, there is something supernatural at play, or both.
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Re: I have flown and been around planes of the size that hit building in NYC. I have no idea how this could of happened!!!!
BTW, the Cirrus SR20 is a FAST little plane, with an unforgiving nature, and a tendency to stall and go into a spin that cannot be recovered from if a novice pilot flies it too slow on a "sightseeing tour." They also have fuel tanks that tend to explode with crashes.
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Re: I have flown and been around planes of the size that hit building in NYC. I have no idea how this could of happened!!!!
but the passport landed on the sidewalk just like last time so theres no doubt about the situations validity
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Re: I have flown and been around planes of the size that hit building in NYC. I have no idea how this could of happened!!!!
I understand why people are coming up with stuff like that because I tell you this, all pilots nation wide are going wait a minute this can't happen.

This is major crazy! This plane has balance controls that give auto alarms on pitch and stall.

Now they are saying instructor was in the plane. Wow, if instructor was in plane then that is off the scale crazy.

It just can't happen. Something is amiss.
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Re: I have flown and been around planes of the size that hit building in NYC. I have no idea how this could of happened!!!!
it was also equipped with a whole plane parachute that was never deployed

blink
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Re: I have flown and been around planes of the size that hit building in NYC. I have no idea how this could of happened!!!!
New plane, new pilot, high-powered engine, fast plane, all-electronic with digital displays, control stick mounted on the side of the cockpit low. They had their heads down trying to figure out what they were doing at a low altitude and boom.
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Re: I have flown and been around planes of the size that hit building in NYC. I have no idea how this could of happened!!!!
perhaps it was an auto-instructor in the plans....

pass port to starboard...

"two fatalities were 'aboard' the plane...

Circus?pennywise

"Though early reports said there were four fatalities in the crash, Mayor Michael Bloomberg announced during an evening news conference that two fatalities were aboard the plane and there were no fatalities in the exclusive Upper East Side condo building that was struck at the 30th and 31st floors.

It was unclear whether Lidle was piloting the aircraft and who else was aboard the four-seat, Circus SR20 fixed-single wing aircraft. "We are not releasing the names of the two on board," Bloomberg said.

Lidle's agent, Jordan Feagan, said he feared Lidle was among the fatalities of the 2:40 p.m. crash. Police said the pitcher's passport was found either on a floor of the building or on the street below the crash.
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Re: I have flown and been around planes of the size that hit building in NYC. I have no idea how this could of happened!!!!
Not you're typical student plane.
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Re: I have flown and been around planes of the size that hit building in NYC. I have no idea how this could of happened!!!!
Maybe he got a heart attack,

and in the last moment of consciousness

he throws passport from the plane,

so people will know right away

who is burning.
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Re: I have flown and been around planes of the size that hit building in NYC. I have no idea how this could of happened!!!!
Does anyone have any idea of how this happened?
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Some Possibility/Probability Think:

Is this plane fly by wire???

Could it be adapted to fly by remote Control???

Daniel
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BTW, is there restricted zone above NY?
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Re: I have flown and been around planes of the size that hit building in NYC. I have no idea how this could of happened!!!!
Seen crashes like this before, back when the dot.com made a bunch of people rich overnight. They would buy expensive, powerful planes and promptly fly them into concrete walls or trees and explode.
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Re: I have flown and been around planes of the size that hit building in NYC. I have no idea how this could of happened!!!!
Remote Controlled...speculation as to whether Lidle was already dead before the crash...

more at

cloadanddagger.de
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Re: I have flown and been around planes of the size that hit building in NYC. I have no idea how this could of happened!!!!
Montauk point....
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Re: I have flown and been around planes of the size that hit building in NYC. I have no idea how this could of happened!!!!
I don't understand one thing. Why plane flights are even allowed above populated areas?

It's a recipe for disaster.
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Re: I have flown and been around planes of the size that hit building in NYC. I have no idea how this could of happened!!!!
[link to www4.passur.com]
>
take a look at this link

put in Oct 11

14:40 time

watch bottom left corner

click for low level fight

around 1000 ft

watch 2 planes get to close the other plane comes back to look
Chill - Enjoy - Relax
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Re: I have flown and been around planes of the size that hit building in NYC. I have no idea how this could of happened!!!!
You people are unbelieveable the man wrecked the plane, its that simple!

Get a fucking life please
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Re: I have flown and been around planes of the size that hit building in NYC. I have no idea how this could of happened!!!!
You people are unbelieveable the man wrecked the plane, its that simple!

Get a fucking life please***

And, so, you know for a fact that it was a simple accident? Are you in possession of all the facts in this case in less than a 24 hour time period? You know more than the NTSB, or whomever is investigating this case? I think not.

Your "theory" is just as wacked as the one you are accusing the conspiracy "theorists" of.

You probably believe the official story of 911, too, huh?
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Re: I have flown and been around planes of the size that hit building in NYC. I have no idea how this could of happened!!!!
CIRRUS AVIATION BUILT THE PLANE AND I HAVE BEEN ALL OVER THEIR WEBSITE.

CIRRUS HAS NO IDEA HOW IT COULD HAVE HAPPENED TOO!

THE PLANE IS EQUIPPED WITH A GOD DAMN PARACHUTE...FOR THE WHOLE PLANE!

IT DEPLOYS JUST LIKE THE ONE ON THE SPACE SHUTTLE BUT LANDS THE PLANE UPRIGHT ON THE WHEELS!

PLUS HAD A FLY BY WIRE SYSTEM!

YOU JUST CAN NOT FLY A PLANE LIKE THIS BY ACCIDENT OR HUMAN FAILURE...THIS PARTICULAR PLANE IS SO MODERN AND WELL DESIGNED INCLUDING THE LEADING EDGE WING DESIGN TO REDUCE STALL!
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Re: I have flown and been around planes of the size that hit building in NYC. I have no idea how this could of happened!!!!
Some of the conspiracy 'therorists' (actually ignorant armchair spectators) care more about their wild ideas than for any of the people who lost their lives or loved ones.

They make me feel sick.

My first tribute goes to the brave folks at the Fire Department who acted with extreme professionalisim in dealing with this incident. Especially so knowing what happened on 9/11 and the colleagues and friends they lost at that time.

This was an accident and the authorities need to investigate how it happened, why the aircraft was where it was at the time and whether there needs to be greater control on sight seeing trips over heavily populated high rise areas.
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Re: I have flown and been around planes of the size that hit building in NYC. I have no idea how this could of happened!!!!
Some of the conspiracy 'therorists' (actually ignorant armchair spectators) care more about their wild ideas than for any of the people who lost their lives or loved ones.

They make me feel sick.

My first tribute goes to the brave folks at the Fire Department who acted with extreme professionalisim in dealing with this incident. Especially so knowing what happened on 9/11 and the colleagues and friends they lost at that time.

This was an accident and the authorities need to investigate how it happened, why the aircraft was where it was at the time and whether there needs to be greater control on sight seeing trips over heavily populated high rise areas.
 Quoting: KY6 153900



Absolutely! More control...that's the answer. What good is an accident when the gubmint can't use it as pretext of some type of policy that turns the screw yet one more revolution to the people.

BTW, as posted earlier, there was a flight instructor in the plane.

Someone thought the passport on the street below was a nice touch, too. Sure makes you wonder.

CNN was quick to point pout that military jets were scrambled this time! Bravo! That calls for a round of medals.
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Re: I have flown and been around planes of the size that hit building in NYC. I have no idea how this could of happened!!!!
The City of New York needs money, just have the Jewish Lawyers lined up to take what Cory has in his bank accounts. The ball game called sueing whoall. So here is the way the crooks do it Problem (plane hit building) - Reaction (Sue, get his bank account funds) - Solution (Now whoall is richer). I know this sounds cruel and mean, but follow the money trail who gets what Cory had in his banks.
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Re: I have flown and been around planes of the size that hit building in NYC. I have no idea how this could of happened!!!!
Isn't it amazing the Insiders never leave the victims able to tell us what really went wrong. Poor Cory, his funeral is done, he was already cremated. Only a memory funeral now is left for him.
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Re: I have flown and been around planes of the size that hit building in NYC. I have no idea how this could of happened!!!!
This was an accident and the authorities need to investigate how it happened,
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It won't matter. If the NTSB explains the accident down to the very last detail, there will be people here saying its a coverup. The 'Lunatic Fringe' has really earned its name on this one.
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Re: I have flown and been around planes of the size that hit building in NYC. I have no idea how this could of happened!!!!
This was an accident and the authorities need to investigate how it happened,



It won't matter. If the NTSB explains the accident down to the very last detail, there will be people here saying its a coverup. The 'Lunatic Fringe' has really earned its name on this one.
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Not really. Rather, people like you have earned your name for blindness - for never seeing anomalies or raising questions when facts don't add up - like how a brand new plane with every safety device you can think of could be flown by a flight trainer smack damn into a huge apartment block. The words 'accident' slips off your tongue so easily, doesn't it, even when pilots visit this forum and comment that they are perplexed how this could have been an accident. How do you KNOW it was an accident? You don't. Perhaps it was deliberate sabotage by someone who hated the baseball player. But simple minds always clutch at simple answers.....
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Re: I have flown and been around planes of the size that hit building in NYC. I have no idea how this could of happened!!!!
Absolutely! More control...that's the answer. What good is an accident when the gubmint can't use it as pretext of some type of policy that turns the screw yet one more revolution to the people.

BTW, as posted earlier, there was a flight instructor in the plane.

Someone thought the passport on the street below was a nice touch, too. Sure makes you wonder.

CNN was quick to point pout that military jets were scrambled this time! Bravo! That calls for a round of medals.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 127561


As I said, "Some of the conspiracy 'therorists' (actually ignorant armchair spectators) care more about their wild ideas than for any of the people who lost their lives or loved ones."
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Re: I have flown and been around planes of the size that hit building in NYC. I have no idea how this could of happened!!!!
This was an accident and the authorities need to investigate how it happened,



It won't matter. If the NTSB explains the accident down to the very last detail, there will be people here saying its a coverup. The 'Lunatic Fringe' has really earned its name on this one.



Not really. Rather, people like you have earned your name for blindness - for never seeing anomalies or raising questions when facts don't add up - like how a brand new plane with every safety device you can think of could be flown by a flight trainer smack damn into a huge apartment block. The words 'accident' slips off your tongue so easily, doesn't it, even when pilots visit this forum and comment that they are perplexed how this could have been an accident. How do you KNOW it was an accident? You don't. Perhaps it was deliberate sabotage by someone who hated the baseball player. But simple minds always clutch at simple answers.....
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 153906


The aircraft was in the wrong place at the wrong time. Regardless of other causes the pilot has to be accountable for that.

Radio news here (UK, BBC Radio 4) said there was possibly a mayday call beforehand. Anyone know more about it?
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Re: I have flown and been around planes of the size that hit building in NYC. I have no idea how this could of happened!!!!
CIRRUS AVIATION BUILT THE PLANE AND I HAVE BEEN ALL OVER THEIR WEBSITE.

CIRRUS HAS NO IDEA HOW IT COULD HAVE HAPPENED TOO!

THE PLANE IS EQUIPPED WITH A GOD DAMN PARACHUTE...FOR THE WHOLE PLANE!

IT DEPLOYS JUST LIKE THE ONE ON THE SPACE SHUTTLE BUT LANDS THE PLANE UPRIGHT ON THE WHEELS!

PLUS HAD A FLY BY WIRE SYSTEM!

YOU JUST CAN NOT FLY A PLANE LIKE THIS BY ACCIDENT OR HUMAN FAILURE...THIS PARTICULAR PLANE IS SO MODERN AND WELL DESIGNED INCLUDING THE LEADING EDGE WING DESIGN TO REDUCE STALL!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 150179


Fly any aircraft outside it's design envelope and it will stall, and crash
if you are not properly trained to recover it.
Fly By Wire or not, it realy doesn't
matter if you screw up.

My guess is both pilots heads down
trying to work out a problem, then
stall, spin and Game Over.
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Re: I have flown and been around planes of the size that hit building in NYC. I have no idea how this could of happened!!!!
Not really. Rather, people like you have earned your name for blindness - for never seeing anomalies or raising questions when facts don't add up - like how a brand new plane with every safety device you can think of could be flown by a flight trainer smack damn into a huge apartment block.
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And on the other side of the coin, there are the ones like you who see anomalies in everything. Hey, conspiracy theories are fun! Nevermind the deaths that occurred and the poor families that are mourning. Let's make up some shit.

How about this theory?

The plane had a peak altitude of 1500 feet. Suddenly, there was a malfunction of some sort. The pilot struggled to regain control and couldn't. By the time he realized he had lost it, it was too late to pull the chute, or maybe the chute malfunctioned, or maybe the main malfunction affected the chute.

And the passport?

"On Sunday, the day after the Yankees were eliminated from the playoffs, Lidle cleaned out his locker at Yankee Stadium and said he planned to fly back to California, making a few stops"

Perhaps he needed the passport when he got to CA to fly out of the country? Who knows? You?

And the fact they found it on the street?

"Hersman said debris was scattered everywhere at the crash scene, including aircraft parts and headsets on the ground. The propeller separated from engine. Investigators also obtained the pilot's log book."

Gosh! Look! The log book didn't burn up either! Maybe because it was BLOWN away from the explosion?

And the "facts don't add up". Maybe no one here knows ALL the facts?

Naw, that couldn't be it.
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Re: I have flown and been around planes of the size that hit building in NYC. I have no idea how this could of happened!!!!
good point OP...especially considering the plane had a parachute...why was it turned over manhattan if it had been flying over the water?

the passport really gets me too..

remote control certainly possible

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