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The ELEPHANT in the ROOM at every CHURCH (Video)

 
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It is a contradiction for those that are not thinking about Jesus.

We could have a lengthy conversation about human logic that would be able to work through this supposed conflict, but in simple terms if you have faith in Jesus and Jesus said you are forgiven of your sins, but go and sin no more what does that mean? To sin no more requires an action. An action for the words of Christ that you believe in would be an act of Faith.

The person who has a conflict is the person who wants to not change their sinful ways, but wants the redemption and forgiveness without any action to turn away from their sins.

If you are not thinking about Jesus then the New Testament has absolutely nothing for you. At least for me it is quite simple....... What say You???
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Worth thinking about...


 Quoting: Matrix Dreaming Reality


OP, I remember responding to your other video about predestination and the supposed contradiction about free will, etc. What I wrote clearly answered your question, but I never saw a response. However, I do understand that if you do not belong to God, you will not be able to understand the things of the spirit of God. The spirit, which is required in order to understand, in itself, is a gift of God which is arbitrarily given to His chosen. Without the spirit, you will never understand.

Is there anything you can do to get the spirit? No. Either God determined from the foundation of the world, that you would be born a vessel of wrath, fitted to destruction or a vessel of mercy prepared unto glory. You have no choice in the matter.

I remember writing that you seem to have a gentle spirit, and that is the only reason I responded to your other video. In response to this video, I urge you to continue reading the next verse in Ephesians. You stopped at, "...Not of works, lest any man should boast."

It continues, "For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them..."

If God before ordained that we should walk in "good works," those good works are NOT our works, but God's.

Therefore, those who have been saved through faith (given by God), will, by the ordination of God, walk in good works, completing the faith that God granted them. And that NOT OF OURSELVES, so that we cannot boast.

I believe your confusion is the origin of the "works." Christians are justified by faith and works, but those works are not our own. They are God's. We are simply along for the ride, by the grace of God.

I hope that helps you.
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Bingo!

This answers the whole matter.

Thank you for posting this. hf
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OP has no interest in actually learning anything.

He's preaching anti-Christianity, that's all.

The "talking snake" thread proved that he is merely parroting things other say, and has no inquisitive tendencies or desire to discern truth.

He's also a shitty programmer.

hf
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What can i learn from you Mr foul mouth ? Does not the bible teach that whatsoever proceed forth out of a mans mouth shows the true condition of his heart?

You need to ask God to heal you of the Spirit of foul language.
 Quoting: Matrix Dreaming Reality


Fuck you, shitty programmer hypocrite.
You know I'm correct on all counts.

I'll bet you suck at physics too.

lmao
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Im sensing abandonment issues.. perhaps from a mother figure at an early age?
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reasoning conducted or assessed according to strict principles of validity.

That is the definition of logic. Where contradiction exists validity cannot. Don't let the Japanese shill get ya op, you're asking the right questions
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reasoning conducted or assessed according to strict principles of validity.

That is the definition of logic. Where contradiction exists validity cannot. Don't let the Japanese shill get ya op, you're asking the right questions
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All good, thanks for the support man!
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There is no contradiction there.

Faith produces works, but it's not the works that saves us. You can go sell all that you have and give to the poor, and there would be no salvation in it based on your own merit.

Faith produces works, real works, Christ led works.

James 2:18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.

Once again, true works are a product of FAITH. Jesus talked about the works that HE did.

John 10:37 If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.
John 10:38 But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him.

What WORKS was He speaking of? Real works, healing the sick, casting out demons, and raising the dead.

Faith without works is dead...

It's not that difficult to grasp.
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There is no logical explanation for this blatant biblical contradiction.
 Quoting: Matrix Dreaming Reality

you like to debate "logic"?You use the word as though you understand it.You claim that 1+1=2 is loghical.No it isn't.It is a mathematical equation.It is fixed.

Logic is not fixed.Logic can be gained from induction or deduction.

You have a very poor grasp of what logic is so when you claim that something is not logical and is confusing it simply means YOU are CONFUSED due to a lack of understanding on your part.
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Well put
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OP, as much as I'm glad that you are studying, (If that is you in the video.) You seem to be on a mission against God and His word. You are finding contradictions where there are none.

There's no possible way to explain this.

Just as Jesus said, and as it is written in Isaiah.

Isaiah 6:9 And he said, Go, and tell this people, Hear ye indeed, but understand not; and see ye indeed, but perceive not.

Matthew 13:15 For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.

John 12:40 He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them.

It was going on during the time of Isaiah, and during the time that Jesus walked this earth.

Ecclesiastes 1:9 The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.

In other words, this is nothing new.
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And I'm definitely not impressed by any of these video chains.
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And I'm definitely not impressed by any of these video chains.
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then answer the question dumbass!!!......can't huh?????

it's all bullshit
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This guy again? lol
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And I'm definitely not impressed by any of these video chains.
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then answer the question dumbass!!!......can't huh?????

it's all bullshit

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It was answered but you are too blind to see.
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OP has no interest in actually learning anything.

He's preaching anti-Christianity, that's all.

The "talking snake" thread proved that he is merely parroting things other say, and has no inquisitive tendencies or desire to discern truth.

He's also a shitty programmer.

hf
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What can i learn from you Mr foul mouth ? Does not the bible teach that whatsoever proceed forth out of a mans mouth shows the true condition of his heart?

You need to ask God to heal you of the Spirit of foul language.
 Quoting: Matrix Dreaming Reality


You aren't fooling anyone. You are not offended by foul language.
E Branch ain't got nothing on me.
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Worth thinking about...


 Quoting: Matrix Dreaming Reality


One enters the Kingdom of Spirituality through GRACE.

Grace is always already given.

Faith is not belief. TRUE FAITH CANNOT BE OBTAINED THROUGH BELIEFS.

People are very confused about this because it has always been explained in parables which are incomprehensible.

The parables says lest you be like a child you cannot enter the Kingdom.

So True Faith is the Understanding that God is Present to those who accept Him in this moment without Seeking Him as
a child would accept Him. Children do not SEEK, they simply BE.
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OP has no interest in actually learning anything.

He's preaching anti-Christianity, that's all.

The "talking snake" thread proved that he is merely parroting things other say, and has no inquisitive tendencies or desire to discern truth.

He's also a shitty programmer.

hf
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What can i learn from you Mr foul mouth ? Does not the bible teach that whatsoever proceed forth out of a mans mouth shows the true condition of his heart?

You need to ask God to heal you of the Spirit of foul language.
 Quoting: Matrix Dreaming Reality


You aren't fooling anyone. You are not offended by foul language.
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As a matter of fact your other thread proves your an atheistic shithead. Hemingway was an atheist who wouldn't pull a stunt like this. But having no sense of honesty and passing off yourself as Christian in one thread and an atheist in another is a disgraceful act that doesn't bother you one tiny bit. You get the "Dishonest Pig Of The Week" award.
E Branch ain't got nothing on me.
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Worth thinking about...


 Quoting: Matrix Dreaming Reality


One enters the Kingdom of Spirituality through GRACE.

Grace is always already given.

Faith is not belief. TRUE FAITH CANNOT BE OBTAINED THROUGH BELIEFS.

People are very confused about this because it has always been explained in parables which are incomprehensible.

The parables says lest you be like a child you cannot enter the Kingdom.

So True Faith is the Understanding that God is Present to those who accept Him in this moment without Seeking Him as
a child would accept Him. Children do not SEEK, they simply BE.
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One locates the Divine not by Seeking the Divine but by
UNDERSTANDING that you are always seeking.

The Divine is NO SEEKING.

That is the Paradox.

If you seek you cannot find the Divine because the
Divine is No Seeking.

But not seeking is a form of seeking.

Simply Understand and Observe that you are always Seeking.

God is the Understanding of No Seeking.

Grace is when you fall into that state of No Seeking.
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OP has no interest in actually learning anything.

He's preaching anti-Christianity, that's all.

The "talking snake" thread proved that he is merely parroting things other say, and has no inquisitive tendencies or desire to discern truth.

He's also a shitty programmer.

hf
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What can i learn from you Mr foul mouth ? Does not the bible teach that whatsoever proceed forth out of a mans mouth shows the true condition of his heart?

You need to ask God to heal you of the Spirit of foul language.
 Quoting: Matrix Dreaming Reality


You aren't fooling anyone. You are not offended by foul language.
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As a matter of fact your other thread proves your an atheistic shithead. Hemingway was an atheist who wouldn't pull a stunt like this. But having no sense of honesty and passing off yourself as Christian in one thread and an atheist in another is a disgraceful act that doesn't bother you one tiny bit. You get the "Dishonest Pig Of The Week" award.
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What thread are you referring to, my sherlock holmes of the week friend?
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This is an easy one OP we are saved not by what we do but by what Jesus did on the cross. Faith without works is dead. this does not mean salvation, if you are believing God for a job, you have to go look for a job. You cannot just sit home and expect God to bring the job to you. That would be your so called works coupled with faith.
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If you have faith you will want to
(and will do)works. If you don't have any works you never had faith to begin with.
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So your saved by your faith, and not your works, but if you don't have works then your faith is dead, so you wont be saved anymore because your faith is dead.

Conclusion? Being saved is dependent on works.

Contradiction.
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I have not seen the video but I am familiar with God's word.

Not having works means your faith is dead, yes. But not for the reason that your are thinking.

Works come by faith showing that your faith is alive.
There is no good thing in man. No matter how hard we try, we can do nothing good in and of ourselves alone. We have knowledge of good but cannot do good without God even though we may think that we can.

Paul means that our faith in God produces works by God.
If we have faith in God, then His works will follow us.

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What can i learn from you Mr foul mouth ? Does not the bible teach that whatsoever proceed forth out of a mans mouth shows the true condition of his heart?

You need to ask God to heal you of the Spirit of foul language.
 Quoting: Matrix Dreaming Reality


You aren't fooling anyone. You are not offended by foul language.
 Quoting: Cankercanison


As a matter of fact your other thread proves your an atheistic shithead. Hemingway was an atheist who wouldn't pull a stunt like this. But having no sense of honesty and passing off yourself as Christian in one thread and an atheist in another is a disgraceful act that doesn't bother you one tiny bit. You get the "Dishonest Pig Of The Week" award.
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What thread are you referring to, my sherlock holmes of the week friend?
 Quoting: Matrix Dreaming Reality


Your ex Christian thread. You assert agnosticism. Might explain the willingness to be a dishonest ass. At least the average atheist wouldn't make an anti Christian thread followed by one in which he tries to pass his self off as a Christian. I'm sure Nietsche or Marx would actually have too much shame to their credit to do that.
E Branch ain't got nothing on me.
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If you have faith you will want to
(and will do)works. If you don't have any works you never had faith to begin with.
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So your saved by your faith, and not your works, but if you don't have works then your faith is dead, so you wont be saved anymore because your faith is dead.

Conclusion? Being saved is dependent on works.

Contradiction.
 Quoting: Matrix Dreaming Reality


I have not seen the video but I am familiar with God's word.

Not having works means your faith is dead, yes. But not for the reason that your are thinking.

Works come by faith showing that your faith is alive.
There is no good thing in man. No matter how hard we try, we can do nothing good in and of ourselves alone. We have knowledge of good but cannot do good without God even though we may think that we can.

Paul means that our faith in God produces works by God.
If we have faith in God, then His works will follow us.

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I think i'm starting to get it now...

You are saved by faith alone, and not by works, but if you don't have works your faith is dead, and you wont be saved?

Am I getting close?
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If you have faith you will want to
(and will do)works. If you don't have any works you never had faith to begin with.
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So your saved by your faith, and not your works, but if you don't have works then your faith is dead, so you wont be saved anymore because your faith is dead.

Conclusion? Being saved is dependent on works.

Contradiction.
 Quoting: Matrix Dreaming Reality


I have not seen the video but I am familiar with God's word.

Not having works means your faith is dead, yes. But not for the reason that your are thinking.

Works come by faith showing that your faith is alive.
There is no good thing in man. No matter how hard we try, we can do nothing good in and of ourselves alone. We have knowledge of good but cannot do good without God even though we may think that we can.

Paul means that our faith in God produces works by God.
If we have faith in God, then His works will follow us.

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I think i'm starting to get it now...

You are saved by faith alone, and not by works, but if you don't have works your faith is dead, and you wont be saved?

Am I getting close?
 Quoting: Matrix Dreaming Reality


That's it. Works (God's works) are evidence of faith.
People have no idea how much He really wants to be involved in the details of their lives. It does not take much faith to see His works.

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"birds of a feather flock together" is a natural law. whatsoever kind of individual you are is the kind of world you will find yourself in by and by. some form of The Golden Rule, treat others as you would be treated, is found in some form in most world religions. it self-evident wisdom and far superior to the devious mythos of the various local priesthoods.
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It's talking about the sovereignty of God. Only God can save and He has chosen them since the foundations of the world were laid. the gospel is going to either going to be good news or for the most part anger those who are confronted by it.
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So your saved by your faith, and not your works, but if you don't have works then your faith is dead, so you wont be saved anymore because your faith is dead.

Conclusion? Being saved is dependent on works.

Contradiction.
 Quoting: Matrix Dreaming Reality


I have not seen the video but I am familiar with God's word.

Not having works means your faith is dead, yes. But not for the reason that your are thinking.

Works come by faith showing that your faith is alive.
There is no good thing in man. No matter how hard we try, we can do nothing good in and of ourselves alone. We have knowledge of good but cannot do good without God even though we may think that we can.

Paul means that our faith in God produces works by God.
If we have faith in God, then His works will follow us.

>
 Quoting: Random Guy 70861055


I think i'm starting to get it now...

You are saved by faith alone, and not by works, but if you don't have works your faith is dead, and you wont be saved?

Am I getting close?
 Quoting: Matrix Dreaming Reality


That's it. Works (God's works) are evidence of faith.
People have no idea how much He really wants to be involved in the details of their lives. It does not take much faith to see His works.

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So therefore Salvation is dependent on works and faith. Not just faith.
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I have not seen the video but I am familiar with God's word.

Not having works means your faith is dead, yes. But not for the reason that your are thinking.

Works come by faith showing that your faith is alive.
There is no good thing in man. No matter how hard we try, we can do nothing good in and of ourselves alone. We have knowledge of good but cannot do good without God even though we may think that we can.

Paul means that our faith in God produces works by God.
If we have faith in God, then His works will follow us.

>
 Quoting: Random Guy 70861055


I think i'm starting to get it now...

You are saved by faith alone, and not by works, but if you don't have works your faith is dead, and you wont be saved?

Am I getting close?
 Quoting: Matrix Dreaming Reality


That's it. Works (God's works) are evidence of faith.
People have no idea how much He really wants to be involved in the details of their lives. It does not take much faith to see His works.

>
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So therefore Salvation is dependent on works and faith. Not just faith.
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No, Salvation is dependent on faith alone.
Works follow faith. ALWAYS. Because God is faithful.

The Bible teaches us also that faith works by love.
What people do not realize is that faith does not work by OUR love. Faith works by our trusting in God's love. He really does love us. And works WILL follow faith in His love just as sure birds singing in the mornings and flowers in springtime.

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Some say works, some say faith, some say grace, some say free will, some say the law...

I say none of the above....


IF God doesn't draw you, if you don't have an encounter with him, a life changing experience, and a living relationship.

Then all the above will not help you...




The scriptures were written by a unique group of people, living in a very unique time.

Probably the greatest example would be the fact that the local and universal church was present at one location at the same time. This has never happened since.

The other thing we miss as modern people is that they HAD life. They has abundant life, and the bible is clear "we can do NOTHING without him". So these people did great works, the Spirit so heavy upon them.

So obviously under this set of circumstances it would be odd to see a believer without works, who was claiming to know the messiah.

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Some say works, some say faith, some say grace, some say free will, some say the law...

I say none of the above....


IF God doesn't draw you, if you don't have an encounter with him, a life changing experience, and a living relationship.

Then all the above will not help you...




The scriptures were written by a unique group of people, living in a very unique time.

Probably the greatest example would be the fact that the local and universal church was present at one location at the same time. This has never happened since.

The other thing we miss as modern people is that they HAD life. They has abundant life, and the bible is clear "we can do NOTHING without him". So these people did great works, the Spirit so heavy upon them.

So obviously under this set of circumstances it would be odd to see a believer without works, who was claiming to know the messiah.

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I perceive that you are a Calvinist or a Presbyterian who does not know that they are a Calvinist.
You are in error and I pray that you realize it someday.

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Forgive the spelling, but I think you will get my point:

NOPE: Not a doctrinite, or a denominationite, or a churchianity person.



And this is eternal life, that they may know Thee, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom Thou hast sent.




Some say works, some say faith, some say grace, some say free will, some say the law...

I say none of the above....


IF God doesn't draw you, if you don't have an encounter with him, a life changing experience, and a living relationship.

Then all the above will not help you...




The scriptures were written by a unique group of people, living in a very unique time.

Probably the greatest example would be the fact that the local and universal church was present at one location at the same time. This has never happened since.

The other thing we miss as modern people is that they HAD life. They has abundant life, and the bible is clear "we can do NOTHING without him". So these people did great works, the Spirit so heavy upon them.

So obviously under this set of circumstances it would be odd to see a believer without works, who was claiming to know the messiah.

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I perceive that you are a Calvinist or a Presbyterian who does not know that they are a Calvinist.
You are in error and I pray that you realize it someday.

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Never try to introduce logic to religion.
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But God is not an author of confusion???
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Nope people author confusion and people wrote the bible..
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nope people scribed as in wrote down the words which came from God---not man.





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