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Why Turkey Stabbed Russia in the Back

 
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Why Turkey Stabbed Russia in the Back
Why Turkey Stabbed Russia in the Back

By Pepe Escobar

November 27, 2015 "Information Clearing House" - "teleSUR" - Russia’s and Turkey’s objectives in fighting the Islamic State group are diametrically opposed.

It's absolutely impossible to understand why the Turkish government would engage in the suicidal strategy of downing a Russian Su-24 over Syrian territory – technically a NATO declaration of war on Russia - without putting in context the Turkish power play in northern Syria.

President Vladmir Putin said the downing of the Russian fighter jet was a “stab in the back.” So let’s see how facts on the ground allowed it to happen.

Ankara uses, finances, and weaponizes a basket case of extremist outfits across northern Syria, and needs by all means to keep supply line corridors from southern Turkey open for them; after all they need to conquer Aleppo, which would open the way for Ankara’s Holy Grail: regime change in Damascus.

At the same time Ankara is terrified of the YPG – the Syrian Kurd People’s Protection Units – a sister organization of the leftist PKK. These must be contained at all costs.

So the Islamic State group – against which the United Nations has declared war - is a mere detail in the overall Ankara strategy, which is essentially to fight, contain or even bomb Kurds; support all manner of Takfiris and Salafi-jihadis, including the Islamic State group; and get regime change in Damascus.

Unsurprisingly, the YPG Syrian Kurds are vastly demonized in Turkey, accused of at least trying to ethnic cleanse Arab and Turkmen villages in northern Syria.

Yet, what the Syrian Kurds are attempting – and to Ankara’s alarm, somewhat supported by the U.S. - is to link what are for the moment three patches of Kurdish land in northern Syria.

A look at an imperfect Turkish map at least reveals how two of these patches of land (in yellow) are already linked, to the northeast. To accomplish that, the Syrian Kurds, helped by the PKK, defeated The Islamic State group in Kobani and environs. To get to the third patch of land, they need to get to Afryn. Yet on the way (in blue) there is a collection of Turkmen villages north of Aleppo.


The strategic importance of these Turkmen lands cannot be emphasized enough. It’s exactly in this area, reaching as much as 35 km inland, that Ankara wants to install its so-called “safe zone,” which will be in fact a no-fly zone, in Syrian territory, ostensibly to house Syrian refugees, and with everything paid by the EU, which has already unblocked 3 billion euros, starting Jan. 1, via the European Commission (EC).

The now insurmountable obstacle for Turkey to get its no-fly zone is, predictably, Russia.

Using the Turkmen

Who are the Turkmen? Here we need to plunge back into ancient Silk Road history. There are roughly 200,000 Turkmen living in northern Syria. They are descendants of Turkmen tribals who moved into Anatolia in the 11th century.

Turkmen villages also sprout north of Idlib province, west of Aleppo, as well as north of Latakia province, west of Idlib. And it’s here where we find a rarely discussed bunch: a gaggle of Turkmen militias.

The myth of innocent Turkmen civilians being slaughtered by the “Assad regime” is, well, a myth. In Washington these militias are considered “moderate rebels” – as much as they have merged with all sorts of jihadi or jihadi-gobbled outfits, from the ever pliable construct Free Syrian Army to Jabhat al-Nusra, a.k.a. al-Qaida in Syria (which Vienna finally branded a terrorist group).

The bottom line is that Turkey and Russia simply cannot be part of the same coalition fighting the Islamic State group because their objectives are diametrically opposed.

Predictably, Turkish media hails all these Turkmen as “freedom fighters,” a la Ronald Reagan in the 1980s jihad Afghan. Turkish media spins the whole of their territory is controlled by an “innocent” Turkmen opposition, and not the Islamic State group. Not the Islamic State group, yes, but mostly al-Nusra, which is virtually the same thing.

[link to www.informationclearinghouse.info]
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Re: Why Turkey Stabbed Russia in the Back
turkey was set up by nato.
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Re: Why Turkey Stabbed Russia in the Back
Russia has played games flying into other countries
Airspace for decades...guess they got called out
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While I was visiting Athens, Greece, a few years ago, I was reading one of the local newspapers that happened to be in English and had someone there confirm what I had just read.

They said that "every single day," Turkey flies their military jets over Greek airspace. The Greeks scramble their fighter jets up in response, but of course they are out of their airspace by the time they reach the sky.

The paper, and locals, said that Turkey does this to Greece as a deliberate act of provocation. Just to bust chops, because Turkey are part of NATO it would be suicide for their country to respond to such a minor act of aggression, but it continues 365-days per year, like a cat and mouse game.
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While I was visiting Athens, Greece, a few years ago, I was reading one of the local newspapers that happened to be in English and had someone there confirm what I had just read.

They said that "every single day," Turkey flies their military jets over Greek airspace. The Greeks scramble their fighter jets up in response, but of course they are out of their airspace by the time they reach the sky.

The paper, and locals, said that Turkey does this to Greece as a deliberate act of provocation. Just to bust chops, because Turkey are part of NATO it would be suicide for their country to respond to such a minor act of aggression, but it continues 365-days per year, like a cat and mouse game.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 46907501


Yes they do it everyday...or better thwt were doing it...to until lately russian jets are patroling for greece.

Turkey stopped immediately.

Turkey not only invade air space but also navigate war brigates inside greek waters to test their responses...and we are not talking about a couple of miles in..
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Re: Why Turkey Stabbed Russia in the Back
While I was visiting Athens, Greece, a few years ago, I was reading one of the local newspapers that happened to be in English and had someone there confirm what I had just read.

They said that "every single day," Turkey flies their military jets over Greek airspace. The Greeks scramble their fighter jets up in response, but of course they are out of their airspace by the time they reach the sky.

The paper, and locals, said that Turkey does this to Greece as a deliberate act of provocation. Just to bust chops, because Turkey are part of NATO it would be suicide for their country to respond to such a minor act of aggression, but it continues 365-days per year, like a cat and mouse game.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 46907501


Yes they do it everyday...or better thwt were doing it...to until lately russian jets are patroling for greece.

Turkey stopped immediately.

Turkey not only invade air space but also navigate war brigates inside greek waters to test their responses...and we are not talking about a couple of miles in..
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I didn't know about that, but I believe it. There is a long history of animosity between the two countries. I never knew what came first, the chicken or the egg, but it is obvious now.
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11/28/2015 09:03 AM
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Anyone that is fighting the elected Syrian government is a terrorists period.

The leader of the rebel group who machine gunned the pilots after they ejected from the downed russian jets is not even a turkman, he's the son of a turkish politician.

The puppet leaders in the USA are getting shit all over there hands from these "Moderate Rebels" and they keep rubbing it in more and more.

it's not just Turkey that connects the scum bags in Washington to the terrorists but also the 10,000 TOW tank missile systems that were sold/given to Saudi Arabia and used to blow up the rescue helicopter russia sent to save its service men.

Israel wanted free "Cleansed" land in Syria but the way it is going it will get nuked by the rest of the free world and that might well include a few european members who are tired of bring pushed around by the jewish controlled U.S military.

Obama is not your problem in jewamerica, it's the banks and corporations that did 9-11 that need dealing with or are you all happy with you new lifestyle that are all going down the pan due to these bankers ?
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Re: Why Turkey Stabbed Russia in the Back
Russia has played games flying into other countries
Airspace for decades...guess they got called out
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Bullshit. Russia was invited to fly over Syria by Syria's legitimate leader President Assad.
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Re: Why Turkey Stabbed Russia in the Back
Russia has played games flying into other countries
Airspace for decades...guess they got called out
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 48759492


The U.S. is the biggest encroacher of sovereign nation's airspace, even going so far as to arrogantly declare "no fly zones", where legitimate leaders can't fly over his own country; but where the U.S. can, and where the U.S. can bomb as it sees fit; with jets or drones.
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Re: Why Turkey Stabbed Russia in the Back
Anyone that is fighting the elected Syrian government is a terrorists period.

The leader of the rebel group who machine gunned the pilots after they ejected from the downed russian jets is not even a turkman, he's the son of a turkish politician.

The puppet leaders in the USA are getting shit all over there hands from these "Moderate Rebels" and they keep rubbing it in more and more.

it's not just Turkey that connects the scum bags in Washington to the terrorists but also the 10,000 TOW tank missile systems that were sold/given to Saudi Arabia and used to blow up the rescue helicopter russia sent to save its service men.

Israel wanted free "Cleansed" land in Syria but the way it is going it will get nuked by the rest of the free world and that might well include a few european members who are tired of bring pushed around by the jewish controlled U.S military.

Obama is not your problem in jewamerica, it's the banks and corporations that did 9-11 that need dealing with or are you all happy with you new lifestyle that are all going down the pan due to these bankers ?
 Quoting: Jammy 70694858


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