Does the biblical definition of fornication really mean sex without marriage? I'm not so sure about that..

2 Thessalonians 2

8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

I am very disappointed in you OP.

You are trying to find an excuse to indulge your sinful longings.

I don't think OP is,

but often OP masquerades as a rebel.
Thinking she is being cool, unique,
falsely reinforcing a low self esteem.

or so it seems...

I prowl through family history online and I have seen folders where man and woman were charged with fornication.

I have not seen any details as you would have to go and call them up at a record office and they are not connected to my family anyway but the people are named.

I do not know why they were taken to court and it could if it was long enough ago be a court run by the church.

In the past people often married ,in the countryside, when the bride was pregnant.

Most people wanted families because of the labour required to work the land.

They would not want a barren wife.

It was bad if the man let the girl down when she was pregnant.

The rules of the church in old societies are often like a skin over the usual way of going about things .

So in the past it really meant sex without marriage between an unmarried couple.

If you are married in the eyes of the church then sex out side the marriage is adultery.

The old catechism before 196whatever made all this clear and if you went to a catholic church school it was all taught.

Some people think it is a restriction but in many ways the rules are to keep souls safe in this world of sin.

How many of the priests managed to sink down to their abysmal level God only knows.

The trouble is unguided it is easy to delude oneself that something is alright.

When the guides are corrupted the world is in danger of hell arriving here.

Op why do you think virgins are highly regarded both in the bible and the ancient world?

It's all about DNA.

Our modern science now understands what the ancients knew.

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Thread: Women absorb and carry living DNA and cells from every male they have sexual intercouse with

The scientific term is called "telegony"

This is why sex outside of is sinful.

Also "Fornication" in English means sexual intercourse between people not married to each other.

Anytime you use the English word "fornication" it means unmarried sex.

If you are trying to say the Hebrew or greek word in a particular passage doesn't translate into the English word "fornication" than argue that, but a lot of your thread seems to have confused this argument with an argument about the meaning of fornication.


Also the translation into the English word fornication comes from three separate words in the Bible, two from the Hebrew and one from the Greek.

1. porneia (greek) 2. zanah (hebrew) 3. taznuth (hebrew).

English is a less than perfect language that tends to generalize. But if you are saying their is a mistranslation you have to prove it for all three. And also the greek word "pornieia" is very context driven for translating it's meaning into English which depending on the context will include multiple different English words as English has a more defined lexicon for sexual relations.

Fuck you, bitch.

prove it with scripture that the word fornication means premarital sex.

the above scriptures just hold marriage in high regard, which it should be. and sex is supposed to be with one man and one woman for life. true. sex is not supposed to be without love and lasting commitment. lust and fleshly gratification is not what is being discussed here. sex is not supposed to be adulterous or cheating or homosexual or prostitution or whorish, etc.

marriage is the goal. but sometimes divorce happens, which is not sinful, its just frowned upon. its not a salvation issue.

im not saying im right. im just bringing the discussion to the table hoping someone can prove this wrong with scripture. nobody has been able to do that yet.

here's the thing. applying scripture to our lives is the most important thing we can do.

do not be afraid to discuss things. you dont go to hell for having a controversial discussion. and i dont think you go to hell for seeking the scriptures for their true meaning that would take some of the stress and damnation out of the word.

It's ok to want to have sex with other people. That is pure and natural. That isn't lusting.


Lust is when your perspective is they are non-human, just an object for orgasm. Someone you feel ok misleading or lying to. This is Lust, and since it fails to follow the golden rule, it is obviously what god is against.

Way off topic but salt, do you work helping people get health insurance? If so you rock! If not you rock!

no i do not work with people and health insurance LOL

wth?

Can I be a vegetarian and still eat chicken ?

According to Salt, yes !

The Israelites sure did.

Is it a sin to kill if god tells you to?

I don't know, you went all crazy at the end there

What scripture?

10 commandments?

Levitical Law?

You must realize that during that BC there were
aliens on earth that the tribes were commanded to exterminate.

After the Christ all victory was gained.

I do not know what lies ahead,
but for now the word is clear regarding humans killing
other humans.

Yes and if you think it isn't you will be EXCOMMUNICATED!

Well technically that's called marriage. In the old testament Abraham took Sarah to His tent and they were married. Now days You have to get a license and go before a judge or a preacher. I'm pretty sure marriage was a lot simpler back then and didn't require a license or sermon.

I don't have to prove it. That is your issue, not mine. I see how God expressed one women to one man is clear... yes death, & divorce (in sin and without sin), brake that covenant a covenant that was signified during sex.

Your confused, sin is not always a salvation issue. Jesus did not come because we were without sin, No! He came because we are sinners, and we will be till heaven. Its not our sins that keep us in or out of heaven. Those saved, and sin will experience conviction of said sin by the H.S. and eventually repent. Those that are not saved might or might not ever repent... Sinners are entering Heaven and sinners are entering Hell, the difference is not sin, No! The difference those entering Heaven are ones admitting to there sin, that Jesus paid for on the Cross... Even the sins after they became saved. 1 Peter 1:16 should look like in the saved person, a progression that is 100% complete in Heaven with a new body and this body of flesh from Adam is gone.

No its ok to ask a question, but you are not doing that. You asked a question as a statement. You believe this, and many on here have called you on it, yet you belittle them or diss them or ignore them, not Christ like. IMHO

To say, to think that sex out side of marriage is ok, is wrong. God said two become one. Not one place in the bible you find people having free sex and not causing issues in there life. Not one place in the bible you find more than one wife that is not causing issues. One women with One Man for life is the only way, the rest, other than death of one partner is do to sin.

The brothel period was a year, and the only way out of this was if one was found to be not a virgin (yes worded for the man tho). Why? because even before they had sex the promise was there holding them to the covenant. And those found with not being a virgin was dismissed (divorced even tho they did not have sex yet). Why? because it was ok to have sex out side of marriage? No!

You are straining at a nat and swallowing a camel. You focus on a word, and miss the heart of God. God's love for us and the Love for family is clear, it started with His Promise with the heal striking the head of the snake and finished at the Cross. We will experience that finish in Heaven.

That is sexual intercourse between people not married to each other. If someone is married and having sex with someone else they are an adulterer and a fornicator.

I think it was also but then Joseph and Mary had to go to Bethlehem to be registered.

Were Mary and God married when she became pregnant with Jesus?

She was born with the Christ inside of her DNA and bore him in season.

No. Look what happened you Moran, youre as stupid as the saltwolf.

Jesus also explains it when stupid Pharisees asked.

And about the adulterous woman taken in the act well where is the man? He was supposed to be stoned to death as well, he was most likely one of the Pharisees...

Also David was never allowed to build the Temple because of his many sins and being a man of war.

The person asking is asking a question out ignorance, if the person read some more the person would understand but since the person don't read it will never understand.

What the persons like this don't understand is the forgiveness of God, they don't want it, the sanctuary cities is part of the forgiveness in the Old Testament economy and is also a picture of Jesus Christ, like a Christian flees from the law by entering such a city.

Salt is a devil, people denying hell all are, people like her lure people to hell, this denying of out of wedlock sex is part of the agenda saying people can win and get away with it.

Watch out people.

No Abraham listened to his unbelieving wife, because of her sin we now have the Muslims around. God did not approve, just look at the curses that came from the union with Hagar, the bloodshed, the trillions of sin.

And this because he listened to an unbelieving wife that refused to believe God would give her and heir from her womb.

Men should not base their decisions on what unbelieving wives think, it will lead to a world of problem.

Just like this idiot wolf Saltwanting even more whoredoms.

She's one of the wolves in sheep's clothing and will eat as many as she can.

She's a wolf in sheep's clothing figure it out already, this stupid perverted whore is deceiving people, some yards are even falling for her bullshit.

The stupid whore even quotes the Greek PORNOS, and what is porn? Sex between no married people that they and people watching them take part in, fornication is out of wedlock sex.

Don't be stupid falling for this stupid devil sluts bullshit
She has no business teaching any men anything, she's in error here aswell. If we keep digging there will be even more but these 3 major sins is enough to convict and sentence.

you are truly clueless

she was an adulterer

married woman having sex with married men

i know this is hard for you
you've been taught one thing all your life by hellfire fundies who threatened you will eternal damnation

The verses are very clear on fornication. Fornication aka adultery is strictly forbidden not ONLY in the Bible, but in ALL abrahamic holy books/religions. Trying to manipulate God's rules just so you can somehow acknowledge adultery, is pure insanity. People with so-called religion are trying so hard to justify their slutty actions by planting seeds of doubt in men's hearts. Fucking unbelieveable. No wonder this is a fucked up world.