Does the biblical definition of fornication really mean sex without marriage? I'm not so sure about that..

Revelation 2

11 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.

12 And to the angel of the church in Pergamos write; These things saith he which hath the sharp sword with two edges;

13 I know thy works, and where thou dwellest, even where Satan's seat is: and thou holdest fast my name, and hast not denied my faith, even in those days wherein Antipas was my faithful martyr, who was slain among you, where Satan dwelleth.

14 But I have a few things against thee, because thou hast there them that hold the doctrine of Balaam, who taught Balac to cast a stumblingblock before the children of Israel, to eat things sacrificed unto idols, and to commit fornication.

15 So hast thou also them that hold the doctrine of the Nicolaitanes, which thing I hate.

16 Repent; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth.

17 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it.

What if you're married but using birth control..

Yes I do, as you have learned that not from other writings but the gospels in the bible.

Your entire world is relative to the bible, in great part.

It's story has influenced recorded history more than anything else in your knowledge at this point.

This makes it unique.

Even if you were Chinese.

Thanks, this is important on today's world stage and LARGE organised religions that usurped Jesus Christ's work as a weapon.....

The Doctrine of the Nicolaitanes

Revelation 2:15, "So hast thou also them that hold the doctrine of the Nicolaitanes, which thing I hate."

In the Ephesian Age, the word, Nicolaitane, comes from two Greek words: Nikao which means to conquer, and Lao which means the laity. Nicolaitane means, "to conquer the laity." Now why is this such a terrible thing? It is terrible because God has never placed His church in the hands of an elected leadership which moves with political mindedness....
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Doctrine of the Nicolaitanes

Have you considered therapy/counseling?

What was the law for the thousands of years or more before Moses? From Moses until Christ Marriage to the church. Preachers want talk about this. No more Jews, all are one under Christ, old law done away with.

Ephesians 2:15


Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;

Abraham was like FUCK THAT... I'm banging lots of wives.

So, this is a double standard and complete bullocks.

Jesus said in Ephesians 15:34 "Fuck Bitches, Make Money."

TESTOSTERONE is a motherfucker (literally)

I haven't read this entire thread, but let me just say I was excommunicated from my (Lutheran) church for what they consider "fornication".

The truth is, I've been a committed relationship with the same woman for 10 years. We own property together, our finances are combined, and we have 2 children. We are "married" in every sense of the word except for the government permission slip that says we are married. Our reasoning for not being "legally married" is strictly financial... long story short it benefits us to be unwed in the legal sense.

What people must understand is that God was wise enough to allow his Word to be easily accessible by the masses. You can pick up a Bible at any number of stores in your locale. It's not just for some clergy elite to interpret and tell you what to do, for as history demonstrates they often have gotten it wrong or used it to suit their own agenda. Since we are all beings with critical thinking skills, we can ALL form our own opinions (within reason) about what God's message is.

Now if you delve into Biblical "marriage", traditionally it was permission from a woman's father for her to co-habitate with another male... usually accompanied by a dowry.

That's it. There were no courts, no "legal bindings", no tax unifications, no government permission slips. End of story.

"Fornication" came from the Greek word "pornea" which essentially meant a sexual slave trade.

"Adultery" meant being unfaithful to one's SPOUSE.

Neither of those words mean JUST sex outside of marriage. There are specific conditions associated with them. I'm unaware of any scripture that explicitly forbids sex outside of marriage simply on the condition that they are not married - and I'd challenge anyone to present such a passage.

To further my point, my significant other and I have joined a new church in the EXACT SAME synod. Our current pastor questioned the details of our relationship, and when we explained all of the above he asked us:

"Do you consider yourselves married in Christ"?
"Yes, we do"
"Then I don't see a problem."

And we haven't heard a peep about it since. So you see... as far as the Church's go it all depends on who's behind the pulpit.

God didn't want us to blindly follow Church leaders, he wants us to come to his Word on our own terms. Granted, we are imperfect beings and every last one of us could be interpreting things incorrectly, but that is why Christ was sent to save us.

I might as well rip my eyes out of my head then.

Been married for over 25 years, never cheated on my wife and never will.

It is impossible, however, to pretend that other beautiful woman do not exist. Appreciating their beauty from afar does not imply adultery.

Stop worrying about such things. We are all sinners. Not one person can live their life without committing a sin. Worrying doesn't add anything useful to your life. Love one another.

marriage is spiritual you dont need to go to church to some pastor/priest to be married marriage is of the heart and not of some marriage certificate

It is referring to lustful intent over another women.

Explain to me how having consensual sex with another human being (both single) is adultery. I just don't see it, I did not know my spouse the hundreds of times I had sex before I met her, nor did she know me. But we comitted adultery towards each other.......?

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COMPUTE..........ERROR.......ERRORRRR......

Seriously though, help me understand this if you would.

Thanks in advance.

understand this and you will understand the definition of fornication.

There is no slavery anymore or is there?

Fornication is the twisting of something pure, something of God. Sex is the easiest example, but not the only example, by far.

Yep. That's the clincher and the one where all red blooded men fall. No ambiguity.

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So we're not in agreement, some say sex is fine before marriage? Simpletons I say, we know sexual activity outside of marriage is against God's law's.

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according to the bible, sex IS marriage.

And what is the divorce?

There is no divorce, because you can't undo having sex.

Does this aspect of the bible make more sense now?

Does it mean the whole US population is one big happy family now?

lol

Whoredom/Whore-mongering is sex outside marriage.

They give gifts to all whores: but thou givest thy gifts to all thy lovers, and hirest them, that they may come unto thee on every side for thy whoredom. Ezekiel 16:33

But I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lustful intent has already committed adultery with her in his heart.
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You can only commit adultery if that women is married or if you are married.