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"The Prophecies of St. Malachy" called a 'hoax' by catholic church

 
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Q: "The Prophecies of St. Malachy." It supposedly gives a brief sketch of all the popes until the end of the world. Does the Catholic Church recognize this book? Some of the prophecies look believable.

A. The "prophecy" that bears his name supposedly was written by St. (Bishop) Malachy of Ireland, who died in 1148. It claims to designate 111 successors of Pope Celestine II, who lived about the same time as Malachy.

These successors are not identified by name but by short verses said to characterize the man and his time as pope. The first 60 or so are somewhat clear and bear a bit of resemblance to the pope they refer to. After that the verses become so generic they could almost refer to anyone anytime. It takes a vivid imagination to pull some meaning out of most references.

According to these alleged predictions, there is only one more pope after the present one. He will be Petrus Romanus, Peter of Rome, who will preside over the destruction of Rome and the end of the present age.

The whole supposed prophecy is in fact an elaborate forgery. St. Malachy, who had a holy and illustrious career, died more than 400 years before his so-called prophecy first appeared in Europe, which is when the clearer references end and the impossibly vague ones begin.

The author must have had fun composing this literary and historical curiosity, but it is a fake. Nevertheless, it seems to be rediscovered and gain a brief, new following about every 20 or 25 years.

[link to www.coloradocatholicherald.com]
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so how does that explain how the clues match the present popes up until present day. maybe malachy didn't really write it, but whoever did had some future knowledge of the upcoming popes.
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so many conflicting conspiracy theories, so little evidence of any.
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so how does that explain how the clues match the present popes up until present day. maybe malachy didn't really write it, but whoever did had some future knowledge of the upcoming popes.
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If the "prophecy" was already writen it would be easy for the vatican to make each new pope fit the prophecy. Benedict for example is "The Glory of the Olive" but the only thing that makes that so is the name he chose, Benedict which is related to the Benedictine Monks who grew olives. It's a really loose connection and simple to fake.

It's a scam, like all the other ancient books that tell us what's coming. It's a script that TPTB can follow so themasses will be compliant and agree to everythng bad because "it was writen".
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So they're going to follow the writing and then call it a fake. mmmhmmmmmmm






so how does that explain how the clues match the present popes up until present day. maybe malachy didn't really write it, but whoever did had some future knowledge of the upcoming popes.


If the "prophecy" was already writen it would be easy for the vatican to make each new pope fit the prophecy. Benedict for example is "The Glory of the Olive" but the only thing that makes that so is the name he chose, Benedict which is related to the Benedictine Monks who grew olives. It's a really loose connection and simple to fake.

It's a scam, like all the other ancient books that tell us what's coming. It's a script that TPTB can follow so themasses will be compliant and agree to everythng bad because "it was writen".
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Read between the lines. Even if it was a forgery, who ever forged it was a prophet because he has been 100% CORRECT.
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Read between the lines. Even if it was a forgery, who ever forged it was a prophet because he has been 100% CORRECT.
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Very briefly:

The anti-christ is not a person.

The anti-christ is a kingdom because it is represented by a little horn and all horns symbolize kingdoms.

Daniel says that the kingdom of the anti-christ is different from all other kingdoms. The roman catholic church was/is different from all other kingdoms in that it was a temporal kingdom which asserted that it had sovereignity over all other kingdoms and peoples of the Earth. It is the only kingdom to have made such a claim.

Daniel says that 10 kingdoms arise out of the fall of the Roman Empire. 10 such kingdoms are so noted.

Daniel says that the little horn subdues 3 of the 10 horns. Throughout history, this has happened only once, when the roman catholic church subdued the Prefecture of Rome, the Exarchate of Ravenna, and the Kingdom of the Lombards. There are no set of facts which would allow for a kingdom to subdue 3 kingdoms arising from the former Roman Empire now or at any time in the near future.

The Beast of Revelations, the roman catholic church, made a mirror image of itself when it crowned Charlemagne as the Emperor of Holy Roman Empire.

The Harlot on the Beast is the whore on the beast. That is the roman catholic church riding the power of the Holy Roman Empire.

John of Patmos' beast that has two horns and looks like Jesus but speaks like the devil is the roman catholic church.

The 'mark of the beast' was the Papal Seal, which was necessary to establish religious orders, which was necessary to establish trade guilds and unions, which was necessary to mint and coin money, which was necessary for banking and finance. Without the Papal Seal and the blessing of the pope one could do nothing.

Babylon was a code word for Rome among proto-christians and Jewish intellectuals.

Mystery Babylon was Rome.

The reign of the anti-christ is 1,260 years.

If, according to Daniel, the subduing of the 3 kingdoms starts the reign of the anti-christ, then the acquisition of the 3rd and final kingdom to be part of the Papal States, the Kingdom of the Lombards, which took place in 774 CE, then 774 CE + 1,260 CE = 2034 CE.

Then if the prophecies of St Malachy are correct, Pope Ratzinger should survive through the 2nd decade of the 21st Century, and the final and last pope will be announced in the second decade.

Assume for a moment that Pope Ratzinger dies in 2016 CE, then there are only 18 years left for the existence of the anti-christ/roman catholic church.

Assume that the last pope is selected and dies in 2028 CE and no pope is selected and the roman catholic church ceases to exist in 2034 CE.

Then prophecy will have been fulfilled.
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I have sadly, reluctantly, concluded in recent years that the Catholic Church is the enemy of true prophecy. This conclusion was hard for me, as I was brought up as a Catholic and my family is pretty much all Catholics.

Shortly after Pope Benedict came to power, he published a little-noticed teaching that declared that the Bible was NOT infalible divine scripture, and specifically declared that the Book of Revelation did not include valid or true details about the Antichrist or Judgment Day.

Similarly, as we read above, the Church also maintains that the Prophecies of Saint Malachy are false, even though they have continued to come thru with each and every Pope since they were first published.

For example, Malachy's prophecy for Pope John Paul I called him "of the half-moon". John Paul I was elected Pope on August 26, 1978, when there WAS a half moon. He reigned just 33 days, about one month or one lunar cycle. He was was born in the diocese of Belluno (beautiful moon) and was baptized Albino Luciani (white light). He was also born on the day of the half moon: on 17 October 1912, when the moon was in its first quarter. He died just after a lunar eclipse.

Those who deny the divine origin of the Malachy Prophecies would have you believe that all those connections are nothing but meaningless coincidences, but in reality, ALL the Popes share such "coincidences" with their respective Malachy Prophecies.

The church is trying to cover that fact up. And the church, under Pope Benedict (Ratzinger) is also trying to water down belief in the Antichrist, and in belief in the coming of Judgment Day.

Note that there are two versions of the Malachy Prophecies, exact in every respect except that in one version our present Pope is the last one listed, while the other version there is one more Pope to come after him. In either case, according to Malachy, we are VERY close to the end of the line for the Popes, which many have taken to mean that we are very close to Judgment Day.

Why would the Church wish to obscure that fact, unless they were on the wrong side of the battle scheduled to occur on Judgment Day?

See [link to www.divisiontheory.com]

- Peter
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Well, they're obviously not going to endorse his prophecies, seeing as it says that the next pope will apparently be the last.
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They're probably not happy about the end of the prophecies.Where the LORD JESUS comes back as the destroyer and kicks there evil asses into HELL.
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They're probably not happy about the end of the prophecies.Where the LORD JESUS comes back as the destroyer and kicks there evil asses into HELL.
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Touche, correct.
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So its not approved BS its faked BS? Whats the differance?
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I have sadly, reluctantly, concluded in recent years that the Catholic Church is the enemy of true prophecy. This conclusion was hard for me, as I was brought up as a Catholic and my family is pretty much all Catholics.

Shortly after Pope Benedict came to power, he published a little-noticed teaching that declared that the Bible was NOT infalible divine scripture, and specifically declared that the Book of Revelation did not include valid or true details about the Antichrist or Judgment Day.

Similarly, as we read above, the Church also maintains that the Prophecies of Saint Malachy are false, even though they have continued to come thru with each and every Pope since they were first published.

For example, Malachy's prophecy for Pope John Paul I called him "of the half-moon". John Paul I was elected Pope on August 26, 1978, when there WAS a half moon. He reigned just 33 days, about one month or one lunar cycle. He was was born in the diocese of Belluno (beautiful moon) and was baptized Albino Luciani (white light). He was also born on the day of the half moon: on 17 October 1912, when the moon was in its first quarter. He died just after a lunar eclipse.

Those who deny the divine origin of the Malachy Prophecies would have you believe that all those connections are nothing but meaningless coincidences, but in reality, ALL the Popes share such "coincidences" with their respective Malachy Prophecies.

The church is trying to cover that fact up. And the church, under Pope Benedict (Ratzinger) is also trying to water down belief in the Antichrist, and in belief in the coming of Judgment Day.

Note that there are two versions of the Malachy Prophecies, exact in every respect except that in one version our present Pope is the last one listed, while the other version there is one more Pope to come after him. In either case, according to Malachy, we are VERY close to the end of the line for the Popes, which many have taken to mean that we are very close to Judgment Day.

Why would the Church wish to obscure that fact, unless they were on the wrong side of the battle scheduled to occur on Judgment Day?

See [link to www.divisiontheory.com]

- Peter
 Quoting: Peter 153944


Thank you, Peter, I was unaware that there was two versions of the Malachy Prophecies.

That said, I`m assuming that Pope Benedict, is not the last pope or Peter the Roman, therefore the next pope should be the "false prophet" or Peter the Roman?.......LEGION
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Re: "The Prophecies of St. Malachy" called a 'hoax' by catholic church
the catholic church IS a hoax 5a
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Isn't there a part in the bible that says that no one shall know except god?
Also a part that says false prophets will fool many?
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So are they saying that his prophecies are fake? it does seem scary that if he is right if the current pope is indeed the last we are in trouble. Does that mean if Pope Benedict XVI is the last pope on the list after he dies or resigns the world will end? Although i did read that alot of them say that the prophecy doesn't mention about there not being anymore popes between Pope Benedict XVI and the 112th pope so is there a chance it could be fake and there will be popes between the two? verysad
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Re: "The Prophecies of St. Malachy" called a 'hoax' by catholic church
ya ok whatever

now go back to your ritual incense incantations to your god

the god of baal

the sun god ra

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