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mathetes User ID: 33914 United States 10/18/2006 07:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: China killing jailed Falun Gong members to harvest organs for sale. West starting to pay attention More good news from "moderate" communist China - Host of the 2008 Olympic Games. Quoting: Grizzled Old GoatFull Text: [link to www.speroforum.com] --------------------------------------- Western countries are beginning to pay high-level attention to accusations that Chinese authorities are killing jailed members of the banned Falun Gong spiritual movement in order to sell their body parts for organ transplants. A subcommittee of the U.S. House of Representatives held a hearing on the accusations on September 29. The matter was also raised at foreign-minister level at the China-European Union summit meeting on September 9 in Helsinki. Commissioned Research The allegations gained fresh momentum as a result of a report published on July 6 by two Canadian human rights lawyers, who examined in detail claims that the Chinese authorities are killing prisoners in order to sell their organs at home and overseas. A Falun Gong association in North America asked the two lawyers, David Matas and David Kilgour, to help them investigate allegations that prisoners not sentenced to death by any court were being killed. The two are experienced human rights lawyers. Kilgour is a former Canadian secretary of state, and Matas is a well-known specialist in refugee, immigration, and rights issues. They say in their report that they have not found any hard evidence to prove these grave charges against China. Nevertheless, Kilgour and Matas claim to have established a sequence of circumstantial evidence that suggests such a trade is going on. It involves victims, in particular, from the Falun Gong. Beijing Denial Kilgour and Matas were not allowed to visit China in person. As they point out, after such organ removals are purportedly carried out, an empty operating room holds no clues. Nor do the bodies remain: Authorities are said to cremate the remains after the liver, kidney, heart or other organs are removed. The Chinese government rejects the whole story as "extremely irresponsible." The political counselor at the Chinese Embassy in Australia, Ou Boqian, told RFE/RL that the accusation is totally false. "Let me say, putting it briefly, that this is really a fabricated story; it does not exist," Ou said. She noted that the international press was invited to view some medical facilities that Falun Gong named as killing centers, and they found nothing amiss. Many Went In... When it was banned by Chinese authorities in 1999, the Falun Gong had tens of millions of members -- many thousands of whom were arrested or sent to labor or reeducation camps. U.S. officials have estimated that police ran hundreds of reeducation camps with a holding capacity of 300,000 people. Lawyers Matas and Kilgour say many of the rounded-up Falun Gong declined to give their identification details to authorities, fearing that their families would suffer. This protected the families, they say, but at the same time left the prisoners untraceable by their families -- and made it easier for the prisoners to quietly disappear. Could these be at least some of the donors for China's massive organ-transplant business? According to figures supplied by the vice chairman of the China Medical Organ Transplant Association, Professor Bingyi Shi, there were some 60,000 transplant operations carried out in China between 2000 and 2005. But Matas and Kilgour estimate that only about 18,000 organ donations in that period came from official sources -- that is, individuals donating their organs posthumously or from formally executed death-row prisoners. They say this leaves a shortfall of some 40,000 organ donations, and wonder aloud where those organs came from. Sufficient Incentive? Certainly a motive for criminal activity is provided by the profits to be made from organ transplanting. The China International Transplantation Network Assistance Center in Shenyang earlier this year carried a list of prices for body parts. The list put the price of a kidney at $62,000, of a liver at $130,000, the same for a heart, and of a lung at $150,000. Don't get drunk and fall asleep in Beijing! For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. |
Mona Lisa User ID: 155729 Switzerland 10/18/2006 08:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: China killing jailed Falun Gong members to harvest organs for sale. West starting to pay attention Nobody dares to give China paroli, economically to strong, without the increasing exports to China and Inida, our jobless rates would be much higher. So TIBET is just tolerated, FALUN GONG are persecuted, the Chinese Muslims are disappeared? The Organ Trade, the Dope Trade, the manipulating of the stocks in China, it is all ok, silence is the complice of every crime. |
Grizzled Old Goat (OP) User ID: 155189 Canada 10/18/2006 08:10 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: China killing jailed Falun Gong members to harvest organs for sale. West starting to pay attention Nobody dares to give China paroli, economically to strong, without the increasing exports to China and Inida, our jobless rates would be much higher. Quoting: Mona Lisa 155729So TIBET is just tolerated, FALUN GONG are persecuted, the Chinese Muslims are disappeared? The Organ Trade, the Dope Trade, the manipulating of the stocks in China, it is all ok, silence is the complice of every crime. Can't find a thing to argue with in your post.. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 156200 United Kingdom 10/18/2006 08:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: China killing jailed Falun Gong members to harvest organs for sale. West starting to pay attention Might be a good idea to avoid buying liver in the grocery department of Walmart for a while... Quoting: Grizzled Old GoatYes it might be especially if it`s in the grocery department and not at the meat counter. |
Grizzled Old Goat (OP) User ID: 155189 Canada 10/18/2006 08:35 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: China killing jailed Falun Gong members to harvest organs for sale. West starting to pay attention The NFL plans to have a game in China next. Quoting: yankeesBoth the Falun Gong thing and Tibetan repression have been going on for years now - nobody seems to care. Business is business I guess. They are a repugnant regime though - I think an Olympic boycott is in order for all of this, plus their thwarting of real sanctions on NK. |
Grizzled Old Goat (OP) User ID: 155189 Canada 10/18/2006 08:38 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: China killing jailed Falun Gong members to harvest organs for sale. West starting to pay attention Pay attention westerners. If your people were not buying organs the Chinese would not be harvesting them! Quoting: KIM JONG-ILRight - and we have no bears left in North America because you humps over there need them to keep your prostates fresh and healthy.. |
Mona Lisa User ID: 155729 Switzerland 10/18/2006 08:38 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: China killing jailed Falun Gong members to harvest organs for sale. West starting to pay attention Nobody dares to give China paroli, economically to strong, without the increasing exports to China and Inida, our jobless rates would be much higher. Quoting: Grizzled Old GoatSo TIBET is just tolerated, FALUN GONG are persecuted, the Chinese Muslims are disappeared? The Organ Trade, the Dope Trade, the manipulating of the stocks in China, it is all ok, silence is the complice of every crime. Can't find a thing to argue with in your post.. Thanks!!! There is much more to say, but we leave it now, otherwise KIM, our beloved chinese nuke feeded Fuhrer wil test anther old Easter EGG. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 127676 Norway 10/18/2006 09:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: China killing jailed Falun Gong members to harvest organs for sale. West starting to pay attention Yesterday “Dagens Medicin” (Today’s medicine), a Swedish medical journal published an article linking the medical university “Karolinska Institutet” in Sweden (Homepage [link to ki.se] ) with this scandal. Article: [link to www.dagensmedicin.se] I’m not sure exactly what the linkage to this Swedish institute is, but I believe the claim is that they have been working closely, perhaps a bit too close, with a couple of Chinese Universities who are deeply involved in this organ affair. Two universities were named, the Beijing University and the Fudan University, both close partners with “Karolinska Institutet”. The ‘front’ that is being used to distribute and sell organs is “Beijing International Medical Support Network Centre”, and the medical centre they use to sell organs to us unknowing foreigners is “BEK-Transplant”, (Homepage [link to www.bek-transplant.com] ), both owned and run by the Beijing University with help from “Karolinska Institutet”. Note a Norwegian newspaper wrote something that leads me to believe that “Beijing International Medical Support Network Centre” and “BEK-Transplant” is in fact one and the same, but details details.... Anyway “BEK-Transplant” revealed themselves on their own homepage. Under their Frequently Asked Questions “FAQs” this quote was listed: Q. Do the organs come from a alive or dead donors? Quoting: BEKA. The donor organs come from people that are executed in China. That particular FAQ has now been removed from their homepage, but thankfully you can’t hide on the web. Here you can see their ugly truth from the web archive, see FAQ No 7: [link to web.archive.org] The “Karolinska Institutet” has released a press release denying any knowledge and involvement: [link to ki.se] Swedish newspaper Expressen also ran this story today: [link to www.expressen.se] All the news-links above are in Swedish, but I suspect this news will reach your continent in a day or two. |
Grizzled Old Goat (OP) User ID: 155189 Canada 10/18/2006 09:30 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: China killing jailed Falun Gong members to harvest organs for sale. West starting to pay attention Yesterday “Dagens Medicin” (Today’s medicine), a Swedish medical journal published an article linking the medical university “Karolinska Institutet” in Sweden (Homepage [link to ki.se] ) with this scandal. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 127676Article: [link to www.dagensmedicin.se] I’m not sure exactly what the linkage to this Swedish institute is, but I believe the claim is that they have been working closely, perhaps a bit too close, with a couple of Chinese Universities who are deeply involved in this organ affair. Two universities were named, the Beijing University and the Fudan University, both close partners with “Karolinska Institutet”. The ‘front’ that is being used to distribute and sell organs is “Beijing International Medical Support Network Centre”, and the medical centre they use to sell organs to us unknowing foreigners is “BEK-Transplant”, (Homepage [link to www.bek-transplant.com] ), both owned and run by the Beijing University with help from “Karolinska Institutet”. Note a Norwegian newspaper wrote something that leads me to believe that “Beijing International Medical Support Network Centre” and “BEK-Transplant” is in fact one and the same, but details details.... Anyway “BEK-Transplant” revealed themselves on their own homepage. Under their Frequently Asked Questions “FAQs” this quote was listed: Q. Do the organs come from a alive or dead donors? A. The donor organs come from people that are executed in China. That particular FAQ has now been removed from their homepage, but thankfully you can’t hide on the web. Here you can see their ugly truth from the web archive, see FAQ No 7: [link to web.archive.org] The “Karolinska Institutet” has released a press release denying any knowledge and involvement: [link to ki.se] Swedish newspaper Expressen also ran this story today: [link to www.expressen.se] All the news-links above are in Swedish, but I suspect this news will reach your continent in a day or two. Excellent, thanks for the contribution. That BEK-Transplant site is chilling if you have an idea of the real goings-on. |
jarha User ID: 67811 United States 10/18/2006 09:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: China killing jailed Falun Gong members to harvest organs for sale. West starting to pay attention [link to pangaea.org] ORPHANAGE OR ORGAN REPOSITORY? The world that has been appalled for years by China's systemic and well organized selling of human organs that are culled from millions of political prisoners must now brace for even more shocking practices in that communist country. New evidence is surfacing that the human organs that China sells at such handsome profits on international markets come not only from its multitudes of political prisoners but also from an even more abundant source - the tens of millions of abandoned girl babies. The new revelation provides the first clue to a question that human rights organizations have been asking the Chinese authorities for years: what happens to those unwanted girl babies? ----------------------------------------- MADE IN CHINA. . |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 151040 United States 10/18/2006 09:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: China killing jailed Falun Gong members to harvest organs for sale. West starting to pay attention Alex Jones talked about this a few months ago after that Chinese Transplant Sergeon protested President Hu's visit. She was being brought up on charges for yelling at him at the White House. As I remember she managed to yell at him for like 2-3 minutes before the security hauled her off which seems kinda long. She's brought up on charges of threatening a foreign leader under the Patriot Act. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 151040 United States 10/18/2006 09:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: China killing jailed Falun Gong members to harvest organs for sale. West starting to pay attention As I remember she managed to yell at him for like 2-3 minutes before the security hauled her off which seems kinda long. She's brought up on charges of threatening a foreign leader under the Patriot Act. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 151040Here's Bush apologizing for it [link to www.cbsnews.com] |
Grizzled Old Goat (OP) User ID: 155189 Canada 10/18/2006 09:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: China killing jailed Falun Gong members to harvest organs for sale. West starting to pay attention [link to pangaea.org] Quoting: jarhaORPHANAGE OR ORGAN REPOSITORY? The world that has been appalled for years by China's systemic and well organized selling of human organs that are culled from millions of political prisoners must now brace for even more shocking practices in that communist country. New evidence is surfacing that the human organs that China sells at such handsome profits on international markets come not only from its multitudes of political prisoners but also from an even more abundant source - the tens of millions of abandoned girl babies. The new revelation provides the first clue to a question that human rights organizations have been asking the Chinese authorities for years: what happens to those unwanted girl babies? ----------------------------------------- MADE IN CHINA. . Good Grief, and look at the date - '95. This has been going on under the radar for years - probably thanks to a lot of the "elite" from around the world not wanting to wait in line. Doing so much business with China is really dancing with the devil.. |
jarha User ID: 67811 United States 10/18/2006 09:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: China killing jailed Falun Gong members to harvest organs for sale. West starting to pay attention Sale of Human Organs in China Michael E. Parmly, Principal Deputy Assistant Secretary of State, Bureau of Democracy, Human Rights, and Labor Hearing Before the Subcommittee on International Operations and Human Rights, House International Relations Washington, DC June 27, 2001 Chairwoman Ros-Lehtinen and Members of the Committee, thank you for the opportunity to appear at this important hearing to address the issue of the sale of human organs in China. The removal of organs from executed prisoners without proper permission from family members along with the trafficking in these organs is a serious, deeply disturbing subject that raises a number of profoundly important human rights issues. The State Department welcomes the opportunity to update the committee on our assessment of the problem and what the Department is doing to encourage China to put an end to this abhorrent practice. As you know, reports of Chinese authorities removing organs from executed prisoners in China, without the consent of the prisoners or their families, are not new. The Hong Kong and London press carried the numerous reports as early as the mid-1980s, when the introduction of the drug Cyclosoporine-A made transplants a newly viable option for patients. --------------------------------------- . |
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jarha User ID: 67811 United States 10/18/2006 10:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: China killing jailed Falun Gong members to harvest organs for sale. West starting to pay attention Good Grief, and look at the date - '95. This has been going on under the radar for years - probably thanks to a lot of the "elite" from around the world not wanting to wait in line. Doing so much business with China is really dancing with the devil.. Quoting: Grizzled Old GoatGOG they did it in 1979 ---------------------------------------- [link to commdocs.house.gov] Washington, DC. The Subcommittee met, pursuant to call, at 2 p.m. in Room 2172, Rayburn House Office Building, Hon. Ileana Ros-Lehtinen [Chairwoman of the Subcommittee] presiding. Ms. ROS-LEHTINEN. The Subcommittee will please come to order. When one first hears of China's gruesome practice of executing prisoners for the purpose of harvesting their organs and selling them to the highest bidder, the reaction is one of shock and disbelief. How can human beings do that to other human beings? How can there be such disdain for human life? How can avarice and greed reach such extremes? This cannot be true. Unfortunately, the evidence gathered throughout the last two decades clearly shows that China's Communist regime is not just looking at traditional sectors of the economy to generate income for its military expansionist policies. It has found a lucrative industry in the field of organ transplantation which not only yields great financial rewards, but provides the regime with a powerful tool to coerce and intimidate the population into submission. Governmental sanctioning of organ harvesting from prisoners reportedly began in 1979 ------------------------------------------- jj |
Grizzled Old Goat (OP) User ID: 155189 Canada 10/18/2006 10:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: China killing jailed Falun Gong members to harvest organs for sale. West starting to pay attention It has found a lucrative industry in the field of organ transplantation which not only yields great financial rewards, but provides the regime with a powerful tool to coerce and intimidate the population into submission. Quoting: jarhaGovernmental sanctioning of organ harvesting from prisoners reportedly began in 1979 ------------------------------------------- jj And now Walmart is the biggest retail operation in China. I understand that global realpolitik is the reason why, but how can we get in bed with this regime? Don't we have any influence with regard to access to our markets? |
jarha User ID: 67811 United States 10/18/2006 10:38 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: China killing jailed Falun Gong members to harvest organs for sale. West starting to pay attention And now Walmart is the biggest retail operation in China. I understand that global realpolitik is the reason why, but how can we get in bed with this regime? Don't we have any influence with regard to access to our markets? Quoting: Grizzled Old GoatI do not know. But I feel if from space will come other civilisation and ask for workers to populate some planet, our governmets will make deal. China will do it. Not bad idea if they take them all and we will give the as bonus arabs. ------------------------------------------- jj |
Grizzled Old Goat (OP) User ID: 155189 Canada 10/18/2006 10:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: China killing jailed Falun Gong members to harvest organs for sale. West starting to pay attention I do not know. But I feel if from space Quoting: jarhawill come other civilisation and ask for workers to populate some planet, our governmets will make deal. China will do it. Not bad idea if they take them all and we will give the as bonus arabs. ------------------------------------------- jj Not bad - we could clean the old place up right quick. I'd just have to convince the aliens that Old Goats are lazy, and make bad slaves.. |