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Anonymous Coward User ID: 156054 United States 10/19/2006 11:29 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Strong scientific evidence that the falling towers lacked the potential energy to pulverize all the concrete AND suspend it in air Excellent report, but I don’t seem to have read any mention of the biggest component of the disaster; which was the ‘mushroom cloud’? Classic demolitions don’t have huge mushroom clouds towering over them, suspending the fine particles in obvious hot caches of air. Perhaps something a little more powerful was used in combination with normal conventional explosives. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 156347 United Kingdom 10/19/2006 11:38 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Strong scientific evidence that the falling towers lacked the potential energy to pulverize all the concrete AND suspend it in air Of course. The two collapses were not examples of conventional demolition, as in the case of WTC 7. They wanted to make sure NOTHING of significant size remained, just in case not all the towers fell down (don't want unexploded demolition charges/wiring or thermate left around in plain sight, do we?). Quite apart from not wanting to expose to the world that it WAS a controlled demolition. So they had to make it look like the floors were compacting in succession. They failed miserably. |
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cb User ID: 150790 Canada 10/19/2006 01:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Strong scientific evidence that the falling towers lacked the potential energy to pulverize all the concrete AND suspend it in air so the "melted steel" could have sort of thrown-towards-the-street all this "mass" of concrete, ....sure, uhhhhh,...ok. ok. ________________ but i have to go read some debunking some people were going to do. yes. i'll go do thay now. |
cb User ID: 150790 Canada 10/19/2006 01:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Strong scientific evidence that the falling towers lacked the potential energy to pulverize all the concrete AND suspend it in air more clear thinking: the "pancake effect" COULD have worked, and it WOULD explain the free-fall data that is now common knowledge (?). For this to happen, and for the building to free-fall,...EVERY FLOOR needs to hit the floor below at EXACTLY THE SAME INSTANT. Get it? I know. It's hard to imagine. It's hard to imagine that floor#105 hit floor#104 at the same time that floor#7 hit floor#6. (or in other words....the ceiling of every office hit the floor)....AT EXACTLY THE SAME TIME,...about 9 seconds later. A "concerted effort" sort of, huh? __________________________________- |
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..................... User ID: 156463 United Kingdom 10/19/2006 01:42 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Strong scientific evidence that the falling towers lacked the potential energy to pulverize all the concrete AND suspend it in air I think its time you dumb americans got over the fact that the WTC was hit by 2 planes and that there wasnt any nukes or other bombs , ufos,men in black, earthquakes , mind control, cosmic forces or the like.... and science cant prove everything and some articals you read are just plane crap made up to spin a story for idiots.. My advice for these people who will read and belive everything they see or hear is this .... your the stupid fucks that your govenment actually control and you have none of your own.. you truely are sheep ...in sheeps clothing ... give it up and go back to your jobs..its over ,now get over it, as for those that died R.I.P |
zazzman User ID: 153028 United States 10/19/2006 01:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Strong scientific evidence that the falling towers lacked the potential energy to pulverize all the concrete AND suspend it in air Let me be the first!!! Face it, a large passenger plane had never hit a building/sky scraper like this before... this guy did a good paper, but does not know what he is talking about!!! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 121552 United States 10/19/2006 01:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Strong scientific evidence that the falling towers lacked the potential energy to pulverize all the concrete AND suspend it in air I think its time you dumb americans got over the fact that the WTC was hit by 2 planes and that there wasnt any nukes or other bombs , ufos,men in black, earthquakes , mind control, cosmic forces or the like.... and science cant prove everything and some articals you read are just plane crap made up to spin a story for idiots.. Quoting: ..................... 156463My advice for these people who will read and belive everything they see or hear is this .... your the stupid fucks that your govenment actually control and you have none of your own.. you truely are sheep ...in sheeps clothing ... give it up and go back to your jobs..its over ,now get over it, as for those that died R.I.P So a post with the correct data proving how the official story is literally impossible is put on here, and you go on to attack the families of the victims? You people are sick. |
Fool User ID: 142889 Canada 10/19/2006 01:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Strong scientific evidence that the falling towers lacked the potential energy to pulverize all the concrete AND suspend it in air Let me be the first!!! Quoting: zazzman 153028Face it, a large passenger plane had never hit a building/sky scraper like this before... this guy did a good paper, but does not know what he is talking about!!! and you know what you're talking about? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 151643 United States 10/19/2006 02:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Strong scientific evidence that the falling towers lacked the potential energy to pulverize all the concrete AND suspend it in air Let me be the first!!! Quoting: zazzman 153028Face it, a large passenger plane had never hit a building/sky scraper like this before... this guy did a good paper, but does not know what he is talking about!!! That's fair, zazzman. Could you please give information showing that Hoffman doesn't know what he is talking about? The 111,000 KWH of energy released by the fall is based on FEMA data. The gas expansion formulas are commonly-accepted physics laws. What hidden agenda do you have to support the government's story by blind faith? Or is it intellectual laziness, discounting it off hand so you don't have to think very much? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 151643 United States 10/19/2006 02:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Strong scientific evidence that the falling towers lacked the potential energy to pulverize all the concrete AND suspend it in air more clear thinking: Quoting: cb 150790the "pancake effect" COULD have worked, and it WOULD explain the free-fall data that is now common knowledge (?). For this to happen, and for the building to free-fall,...EVERY FLOOR needs to hit the floor below at EXACTLY THE SAME INSTANT. Get it? I know. It's hard to imagine. It's hard to imagine that floor#105 hit floor#104 at the same time that floor#7 hit floor#6. (or in other words....the ceiling of every office hit the floor)....AT EXACTLY THE SAME TIME,...about 9 seconds later. A "concerted effort" sort of, huh? __________________________________- Excellent point, cb. And, these calculations don't even factor in the energy required to break all the connections to the steel support, nor the energy required to break those steel supportes into 30ft lengths. |
Daniel User ID: 156489 United Kingdom 10/19/2006 03:43 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Strong scientific evidence that the falling towers lacked the potential energy to pulverize all the concrete AND suspend it in air NON-Scientific: Common Sense dictates that the Collapse of BOTH WTC Towers was more like a VOLCANIC ERUPTION!!! I have studied Vids and broken them down to Single frame Pics. It was an ERUPTION - Spewing I-Beams hundreds of yards from point of origin. There was enough ENERGY to cause the concrete & drywall and most of the contents into a Pyroclaustic(sp) dust - broken down to .001 of an inch or less. Common SENSE folks - Floor to Floor Collapse - MAKES NO SENSE!!! Neither Time wise nor the pulverized rubble. "They" are trying to tell you NOT to believe what you are seeing. Daniel :history: |
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tachikoma User ID: 156143 Spain 10/19/2006 04:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Strong scientific evidence that the falling towers lacked the potential energy to pulverize all the concrete AND suspend it in air Let me be the first!!! Quoting: EQPFace it, a large passenger plane had never hit a building/sky scraper like this before... this guy did a good paper, but does not know what he is talking about!!! That's fair, zazzman. Could you please give information showing that Hoffman doesn't know what he is talking about? The 111,000 KWH of energy released by the fall is based on FEMA data. The gas expansion formulas are commonly-accepted physics laws. What hidden agenda do you have to support the government's story by blind faith? Or is it intellectual laziness, discounting it off hand so you don't have to think very much? It´s possible that the guys are CENTCOM agents: RAW STORY Published: Monday October 16, 2006 "CENTCOM announced earlier this year that a team of employees would be "[engaging] bloggers who are posting inaccurate or untrue information, as well as bloggers who are posting incomplete information." " [link to www.rawstory.com] |
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Earnest User ID: 74540 Canada 10/19/2006 09:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Strong scientific evidence that the falling towers lacked the potential energy to pulverize all the concrete AND suspend it in air Ok. Like most here, I am not an engineer and can't make too many technical comments about the content of the article. My question is --Why, if a software engineer like Hoffman can make mincemeat of the NIST report, why aren't actual structural engineers coming out with the same thing? -They exist all over the world, and have access to all the information that Hoffman did. I don't care how paranoid you are, don't tell me they can all be controlled. -They would absolutely have looked at the mechanics of the collapse. It is the first time something like this has happened. What structural engineer WOULDN'T look into it to learn what he could? -Why are none of them in any of these groups - 911research, 911truth etc? I looked through the FAQ to see if this was addressed, and not too surprisingly, it isn't. I haven't read the whole site yet, but I have been looking for and haven't found any reference to Hoffman or anyone else there consulting with any experts about their conclusions, or asking them to review their papers. Reality is interesting enough. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 141289 United States 10/19/2006 09:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Strong scientific evidence that the falling towers lacked the potential energy to pulverize all the concrete AND suspend it in air Oh, hell. Those buildings collapsed just like the official conspiracy theory says. Just why would anyone think it strange all that 100-floors of steel structure in place to hold those buildings up and resist collapse would, poof, speed downward as fast as an anvil dropped from the top of the WTC and falling through thin air? Doesn't everyone understand that steel structure and thin air are the same? |