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Curiosity may be as injurious to the health of columnists as it is to cats, but there is much to be curious about these days.

Kim Jong Il, the not-so-mad dictator of North Korea, tests a nuclear device, his officials immediately begin threatening to use it, and President George W. Bush, the famed seeker of weapons of mass destruction, says that America’s “commander in chief must try all diplomatic measures before we commit our military”. Is this the same man who refused to give the United Nations time for more diplomacy, the weapons inspectors time for more probing and started a catastrophic war that has taken more than half a million lives in search of weapons of mass destruction that Saddam Hussein never had?

Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, who foresaw mushroom clouds in Iraq, grits her teeth in her best schoolmistress manner and threatens severe sanctions against North Korea. Is this the same administration that spat on sanctions as a pathetic UN-type wobbly-knee answer to dictators and demons?

Is this the Bush-Rice partnership that keeps threatening to go to war against Iran for enriching uranium — and urging multilateral talks when North Korea becomes a nuclear military power? Or shall we put it another way: In Bush’s mind, nuclear North Korea can be trusted because it is not a Muslim country and Iraq and Iran could not be and cannot be trusted because they are Muslim nations?

Just asking, friends, just asking. I told you curiosity could be injurious to a columnist’s health.

It is clearly fine to be fascist in George Bush’s worldview, even a nuclear fascist. What you cannot afford to be, as long as Bush is on fire, is an “Islamic fascist”.

Bush had a chance to act militarily against North Korea, in 2003, when Kim Jong Il withdrew from the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty and announced that it would go ahead with its weapons program. A strike might have been successful because it was believed that all of North Korea’s nuclear weapons were in one known location. What did George Bush do?

He invaded Iraq instead.

There is a simple explanation for what North Korea has done. It has called George Bush’s bluff. Three years ago Bush was not bluffing at the nuclear poker game. He had the strongest hand in the world, by all rules of this game an almost invincible hand. The United States had unquestioned military supremacy, in addition to the most powerful economy. One mistake, wrought by hubris, the stamp of one defect, has shackled American military’s ability and released competing powers to pursue paths that are alternative, if not hostile, to America’s.

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M.J. Akbar, mjakbar@asianage.com


Curiosity may be as injurious to the health of columnists as it is to cats, but there is much to be curious about these days.

Kim Jong Il, the not-so-mad dictator of North Korea, tests a nuclear device, his officials immediately begin threatening to use it, and President George W. Bush, the famed seeker of weapons of mass destruction, says that America’s “commander in chief must try all diplomatic measures before we commit our military”. Is this the same man who refused to give the United Nations time for more diplomacy, the weapons inspectors time for more probing and started a catastrophic war that has taken more than half a million lives in search of weapons of mass destruction that Saddam Hussein never had?

Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, who foresaw mushroom clouds in Iraq, grits her teeth in her best schoolmistress manner and threatens severe sanctions against North Korea. Is this the same administration that spat on sanctions as a pathetic UN-type wobbly-knee answer to dictators and demons?

Is this the Bush-Rice partnership that keeps threatening to go to war against Iran for enriching uranium — and urging multilateral talks when North Korea becomes a nuclear military power? Or shall we put it another way: In Bush’s mind, nuclear North Korea can be trusted because it is not a Muslim country and Iraq and Iran could not be and cannot be trusted because they are Muslim nations?

Just asking, friends, just asking. I told you curiosity could be injurious to a columnist’s health.

It is clearly fine to be fascist in George Bush’s worldview, even a nuclear fascist. What you cannot afford to be, as long as Bush is on fire, is an “Islamic fascist”.

Bush had a chance to act militarily against North Korea, in 2003, when Kim Jong Il withdrew from the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty and announced that it would go ahead with its weapons program. A strike might have been successful because it was believed that all of North Korea’s nuclear weapons were in one known location. What did George Bush do?

He invaded Iraq instead.

There is a simple explanation for what North Korea has done. It has called George Bush’s bluff. Three years ago Bush was not bluffing at the nuclear poker game. He had the strongest hand in the world, by all rules of this game an almost invincible hand. The United States had unquestioned military supremacy, in addition to the most powerful economy. One mistake, wrought by hubris, the stamp of one defect, has shackled American military’s ability and released competing powers to pursue paths that are alternative, if not hostile, to America’s.

It is foolish to think that North Korea was acting, or could have acted, alone. North Korea is a helpless non-entity without China’s support. China has been brilliant in the pursuit of its geopolitical interests while Bush rushed into Mission Self-Destruct. Look at the map of Asia . The two nations that can challenge China’s hegemony in Asia are Japan and India. China’s formal relations with both are worth of a place in the United Nations statute book. It talks trade and peace with India, raising border problems only when it seems that a problem-free relationship is too artificial a construct. Similarly, it talks trade and peace with Japan, dusting out memories of World War II only when it seems that a problem-free relationship is ahistorical.

China has simply outsourced the military confrontation with India and Japan to Pakistan and North Korea. Both are low-cost operations for China, with huge collateral benefits in terms of tying down India and Japan. Pakistan’s nuclear program in any case had to mirror India, for reasons that China did not instigate. Neither Pakistan ‘s nuclear capability nor North Korea’s is a threat to anyone but China’s competitors, or past and potential adversaries. With North Korea aiming nuclear weapons at Japan’s head, the pieces on China’s chess set are in superb place.

The shadow of Iraq has traveled a long way while America is helplessly immobile.

Who has done the most recent expose of the Blair-Bush fiasco in Iraq? Step forward, Gen. Sir Richard Dannatt, serving chief of the British Army. He does not pretend to give advice to his allies, the Americans, but he is clear that British troops, now down to around 7,000, should leave “sometime soon” because “our presence exacerbates the security problems”. In other words, British and American troops are part of the problem, not part of the solution. Sir Richard has provided an honest explanation of their dilemma, and one that should be read in every nook and corner of Washington. He says: “We are in a Muslim country and Muslims’ views of foreigners in their country are quite clear. As a foreigner, you can be welcomed by being invited into a country, but we weren’t invited, certainly by those in Iraq at the time. Let’s face it. The military campaign we fought in 2003 effectively kicked the door in.” No Iraqi could have put it better. Another question, out of that itchy curiosity. Why hasn’t Sir Richard been court-martialed? He is a serving officer. He has been put in charge of a virulent war by an elected government. His views on the war are totally different from his prime minister, Tony Blair. Why doesn’t Blair stop him or sack him? Or is it that Gen. Dannatt has been told to prepare the ground for an imminent decision by seeding the public discourse with thought of departure? Just asking.

The price of departure will be much, much higher than the cost of arrival. What the Iraqis have suffered because of Bush-and-Blair’s malign war is already in the realms of the unbelievable.

Johns Hopkins is not a madrasa. It is one of the most respected universities in America, based in Washington. Bloomberg is not an “Islamic fascist”; he is the billionaire mayor of New York who is thinking of using his billions to attempt a run at the White House in 2008. A study by researchers from the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health estimates that over 600,000 Iraqis have died of violence between March 2003 and July 2006. That makes it 15,000 a month, or 500 a day. There is no media covering this horrendous tragedy. Those rabid dogs of war extend far beyond soldiers in uniform. Chaos has become the playground of violent passions escalating in a poisonous spiral. Hundreds of thousands of refugees are living in neighboring countries. Iraq is emptying out of people, as despair overwhelms people who had no control over the decisions that have destroyed their existence.

One is often asked: What will happen if the Anglo-American occupation forces leave Iraq? I can imagine many scenarios, none of them pleasant in the immediate aftermath. But what could be worse than what is happening now?

When the British left India, between two and three million Indians died in a frenzy of unparalleled ferocity for this subcontinent. This did not mean that Hindu, Muslim or Sikh wanted the British back. We picked up our lives from the desolation of that moment, and slowly moved on. To withdraw from Iraq does not mean that America needs to withdraw from the world; in fact, quite the opposite. It is Iraq that has isolated America from the world.

Alarm clocks are normally harmless, except for the nerves. The North Korean nuclear alarm clock is radioactive. If this does not serve as a wake-up call for George Bush, what will? The old order is dead; disorder is rife. Maybe Iraq has deleted the super from superpower, but there is still power and it needs to be used with discretion to create a shared world, ruled by values and law, not shock and awe.
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Everyone forgets about the ten years of diplomacy and UN resolutions that preceded going into Iraq.
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Everyone forgets about the ten years of diplomacy and UN resolutions that preceded going into Iraq.
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Ya I remember those, they seemed to be working pretty well. Why did we stop them?
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very good post OP
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Everyone forgets about the ten years of diplomacy and UN resolutions that preceded going into Iraq.

Ya I remember those, they seemed to be working pretty well. Why did we stop them?
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because Saddam ignored the resolutions consistently
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Everyone forgets about the ten years of diplomacy and UN resolutions that preceded going into Iraq.

Ya I remember those, they seemed to be working pretty well. Why did we stop them?

because Saddam ignored the resolutions consistently
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Odd that he didn't have any weapons or the means to engage in hostilities then.
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Everyone forgets about the ten years of diplomacy and UN resolutions that preceded going into Iraq.

Ya I remember those, they seemed to be working pretty well. Why did we stop them?

because Saddam ignored the resolutions consistently

Odd that he didn't have any weapons or the means to engage in hostilities then.
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What was he hiding from the UN inspectors then?
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Good post, op.

See how shaken Condi was at her last press confidence?

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Everyone forgets about the ten years of diplomacy and UN resolutions that preceded going into Iraq.

Ya I remember those, they seemed to be working pretty well. Why did we stop them?

because Saddam ignored the resolutions consistently

Odd that he didn't have any weapons or the means to engage in hostilities then.

What was he hiding from the UN inspectors then?
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Nothing, and the Inspectors agree on that.
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UNSCR 1441 - November 8, 2002

* Called for the immediate and complete disarmament of Iraq and its prohibited weapons.
* Iraq must provide UNMOVIC and the IAEA full access to Iraqi facilities, individuals, means of transportation, and documents.
* States that the Security Council has repeatedly warned Iraq and that it will face serious consequences as a result of its continued violations of its obligations.

UNSCR 1284 - December 17, 1999

* Created the United Nations Monitoring, Verification and Inspections Commission (UNMOVIC) to replace previous weapon inspection team (UNSCOM).

* Iraq must allow UNMOVIC "immediate, unconditional and unrestricted access" to Iraqi officials and facilities.

* Iraq must fulfill its commitment to return Gulf War prisoners.

* Calls on Iraq to distribute humanitarian goods and medical supplies to its people and address the needs of vulnerable Iraqis without discrimination.

UNSCR 1205 - November 5, 1998

* "Condemns the decision by Iraq of 31 October 1998 to cease cooperation" with UN inspectors as "a flagrant violation" of UNSCR 687 and other resolutions.

* Iraq must provide "immediate, complete and unconditional cooperation" with UN and IAEA inspectors.

UNSCR 1194 - September 9, 1998

* "Condemns the decision by Iraq of 5 August 1998 to suspend cooperation with" UN and IAEA inspectors, which constitutes "a totally unacceptable contravention" of its obligations under UNSCR 687, 707, 715, 1060, 1115, and 1154.

* Iraq must cooperate fully with UN and IAEA weapons inspectors, and allow immediate, unconditional and unrestricted access.

UNSCR 1154 - March 2, 1998

* Iraq must cooperate fully with UN and IAEA weapons inspectors and allow immediate, unconditional and unrestricted access, and notes that any violation would have the "severest consequences for Iraq."

UNSCR 1137 - November 12, 1997

* "Condemns the continued violations by Iraq" of previous UN resolutions, including its "implicit threat to the safety of" aircraft operated by UN inspectors and its tampering with UN inspector monitoring equipment.

* Reaffirms Iraq's responsibility to ensure the safety of UN inspectors.

* Iraq must cooperate fully with UN weapons inspectors and allow immediate, unconditional and unrestricted access.

UNSCR 1134 - October 23, 1997

* "Condemns repeated refusal of Iraqi authorities to allow access" to UN inspectors, which constitutes a "flagrant violation" of UNSCR 687, 707, 715, and 1060.

* Iraq must cooperate fully with UN weapons inspectors and allow immediate, unconditional and unrestricted access.

* Iraq must give immediate, unconditional and unrestricted access to Iraqi officials whom UN inspectors want to interview.

UNSCR 1115 - June 21, 1997

* "Condemns repeated refusal of Iraqi authorities to allow access" to UN inspectors, which constitutes a "clear and flagrant violation" of UNSCR 687, 707, 715, and 1060.

* Iraq must cooperate fully with UN weapons inspectors and allow immediate, unconditional and unrestricted access.

* Iraq must give immediate, unconditional and unrestricted access to Iraqi officials whom UN inspectors want to interview.

UNSCR 1060 - June 12, 1996

* "Deplores" Iraq's refusal to allow access to UN inspectors and Iraq's "clear violations" of previous UN resolutions.

* Iraq must cooperate fully with UN weapons inspectors and allow immediate, unconditional and unrestricted access.

UNSCR 1051 - March 27, 1996

* Iraq must report shipments of dual-use items related to weapons of mass destruction to the UN and IAEA.

* Iraq must cooperate fully with UN and IAEA inspectors and allow immediate, unconditional and unrestricted access.

UNSCR 949 - October 15, 1994

* "Condemns" Iraq's recent military deployments toward Kuwait.

* Iraq must not utilize its military or other forces in a hostile manner to threaten its neighbors or UN operations in Iraq.

* Iraq must cooperate fully with UN weapons inspectors.

* Iraq must not enhance its military capability in southern Iraq.

UNSCR 715 - October 11, 1991

* Iraq must cooperate fully with UN and IAEA inspectors.

UNSCR 707 - August 15, 1991

* "Condemns" Iraq's "serious violation" of UNSCR 687.

* "Further condemns" Iraq's noncompliance with IAEA and its obligations under the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty.

* Iraq must halt nuclear activities of all kinds until the Security Council deems Iraq in full compliance.

* Iraq must make a full, final and complete disclosure of all aspects of its weapons of mass destruction and missile programs.

* Iraq must allow UN and IAEA inspectors immediate, unconditional and unrestricted access.

* Iraq must cease attempts to conceal or move weapons of mass destruction, and related materials and facilities.

* Iraq must allow UN and IAEA inspectors to conduct inspection flights throughout Iraq.

* Iraq must provide transportation, medical and logistical support for UN and IAEA inspectors.

UNSCR 688 - April 5, 1991

* "Condemns" repression of Iraqi civilian population, "the consequences of which threaten international peace and security."

* Iraq must immediately end repression of its civilian population.

* Iraq must allow immediate access to international humanitarian organizations to those in need of assistance.

UNSCR 687 - April 3, 1991

* Iraq must "unconditionally accept" the destruction, removal or rendering harmless "under international supervision" of all "chemical and biological weapons and all stocks of agents and all related subsystems and components and all research, development, support and manufacturing facilities."

* Iraq must "unconditionally agree not to acquire or develop nuclear weapons or nuclear-weapons-usable material" or any research, development or manufacturing facilities.

* Iraq must "unconditionally accept" the destruction, removal or rendering harmless "under international supervision" of all "ballistic missiles with a range greater than 150 KM and related major parts and repair and production facilities."

* Iraq must not "use, develop, construct or acquire" any weapons of mass destruction.

* Iraq must reaffirm its obligations under the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty.

* Creates the United Nations Special Commission (UNSCOM) to verify the elimination of Iraq's chemical and biological weapons programs and mandated that the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) verify elimination of Iraq's nuclear weapons program.

* Iraq must declare fully its weapons of mass destruction programs.

* Iraq must not commit or support terrorism, or allow terrorist organizations to operate in Iraq.

* Iraq must cooperate in accounting for the missing and dead Kuwaitis and others.

* Iraq must return Kuwaiti property seized during the Gulf War.

UNSCR 686 - March 2, 1991

* Iraq must release prisoners detained during the Gulf War.

* Iraq must return Kuwaiti property seized during the Gulf War.

* Iraq must accept liability under international law for damages from its illegal invasion of Kuwait.

UNSCR 678 - November 29, 1990

* Iraq must comply fully with UNSCR 660 (regarding Iraq's illegal invasion of Kuwait) "and all subsequent relevant resolutions."

* Authorizes UN Member States "to use all necessary means to uphold and implement resolution 660 and all subsequent relevant resolutions and to restore international peace and security in the area."

The inspectors didn,t find anything because Saddam repeatedly denied them access.
I guess he was hiding his porno stash.
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UNSCR 1441 - November 8, 2002

* Called for the immediate and complete disarmament of Iraq and its prohibited weapons.
* Iraq must provide UNMOVIC and the IAEA full access to Iraqi facilities, individuals, means of transportation, and documents.
* States that the Security Council has repeatedly warned Iraq and that it will face serious consequences as a result of its continued violations of its obligations.

UNSCR 1284 - December 17, 1999



Notice the gap? Oh ya, the 1999 one triggered bombings and more sanctions.

And your list proves nothing. I can produce a larger list for Isreal and North Korea.
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Notice the gap? Oh ya, the 1999 one triggered bombings and more sanctions.

And your list proves nothing. I can produce a larger list for Isreal and North Korea.
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Yeah, you'd think if Saddam had nothing to hide, he would have let the inspectors in after being bombed.

I wonder what all those trucks were carrying into Syria just prior to the invasion.
Probably Pop-Tarts.
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Notice the gap? Oh ya, the 1999 one triggered bombings and more sanctions.

And your list proves nothing. I can produce a larger list for Isreal and North Korea.

Yeah, you'd think if Saddam had nothing to hide, he would have let the inspectors in after being bombed.

I wonder what all those trucks were carrying into Syria just prior to the invasion.
Probably Pop-Tarts.
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He did let the inspectors in. The Americans threw them out so they could bomb.

As to your truck theory, if they even existed, where are they now? We don't know do we? That is the point of containment.
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Everyone forgets about the ten years of diplomacy and UN resolutions that preceded going into Iraq.

Ya I remember those, they seemed to be working pretty well. Why did we stop them?
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LOL!!! You need to learn some history. Iraq did not comply with any of them.
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Everyone forgets about the ten years of diplomacy and UN resolutions that preceded going into Iraq.

Ya I remember those, they seemed to be working pretty well. Why did we stop them?


LOL!!! You need to learn some history. Iraq did not comply with any of them.
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Lets use some Bush Logic here. Did he attack any of his neighboors? Then I guess the sanctions worked.
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LOL!!! You need to learn some history. Iraq did not comply with any of them.
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Neither did Libya.
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Notice the gap? Oh ya, the 1999 one triggered bombings and more sanctions.

And your list proves nothing. I can produce a larger list for Isreal and North Korea.

Yeah, you'd think if Saddam had nothing to hide, he would have let the inspectors in after being bombed.

I wonder what all those trucks were carrying into Syria just prior to the invasion.
Probably Pop-Tarts.
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He did let the inspectors in. The Americans threw them out so they could bomb.

As to your truck theory, if they even existed, where are they now? We don't know do we? That is the point of containment.
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You are blinded to the facts of history by your hate for Bush.
Have a nice day.
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Notice the gap? Oh ya, the 1999 one triggered bombings and more sanctions.

And your list proves nothing. I can produce a larger list for Isreal and North Korea.

Yeah, you'd think if Saddam had nothing to hide, he would have let the inspectors in after being bombed.

I wonder what all those trucks were carrying into Syria just prior to the invasion.
Probably Pop-Tarts.
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You mean the same inspectors that he let in before the bombing, like Hans Blix and his buddy Mohamed? The same ones that found no WMD's and said more time was needed? More time to study things like the thousands of documents that the Iraqi's produced to the UN documenting the destruction of any WMD's?

Naw, to hell with that! lets just invade and KILL a half million people!
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You are blinded to the facts of history by your hate for Bush.
Have a nice day.
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That's the dumbest thing I've read today.
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You are blinded to the facts of history by your hate for Bush.
Have a nice day.
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Maybe, just maybe, your President and his friends lied to you for their own profit?
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Hans Blix personally admonished Saddam for "cat and mouse" games and warned Iraq of "serious consequences" if it attempted to hinder or delay his mission.

In his report to the UN Security Council on February 14, 2003, Blix claimed that "If Iraq had provided the necessary cooperation in 1991, the phase of disarmament -- under resolution 687 -- could have been short and a decade of sanctions could have been avoided."
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Hans Blix personally admonished Saddam for "cat and mouse" games and warned Iraq of "serious consequences" if it attempted to hinder or delay his mission.

In his report to the UN Security Council on February 14, 2003, Blix claimed that "If Iraq had provided the necessary cooperation in 1991, the phase of disarmament -- under resolution 687 -- could have been short and a decade of sanctions could have been avoided."
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He also said;

"I doubt that he will reveal any WMD, because I think both we UN inspectors and the American inspectors have been looking around and come to the conclusion that there aren't any,"

"He might be able to reveal when they were done away with. I am inclined to think it was early in 1991 or 1992."

"In fact, I was the one who was skeptical and critical, and said that I didn't think that the evidence was so strong, and said so to the Security Council,"

"They over-interpreted the intelligence they had."
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The question remains.
What was Saddam hiding?

The whole world knew he was hiding something. But, we tip-toed around long enough for him to ship it all out of the country.
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The question remains.
What was Saddam hiding?

The whole world knew he was hiding something. But, we tip-toed around long enough for him to ship it all out of the country.
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Perhaps we should continue to exterminate the population until we receive that information Mein Fuhrer?
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Seems like they are bent on exterminating themselves at this point.
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The question remains.
What was Saddam hiding?

The whole world knew he was hiding something. But, we tip-toed around long enough for him to ship it all out of the country.
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apparently he was hiding something somewhere, that our great american military is having trouble finding, even after invading...


its like trying to find santa at northpole...
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UNSCR 1441 - November 8, 2002

* Called for the immediate and complete disarmament of Iraq and its prohibited weapons.
* Iraq must provide UNMOVIC and the IAEA full access to Iraqi facilities, individuals, means of transportation, and documents.
* States that the Security Council has repeatedly warned Iraq and that it will face serious consequences as a result of its continued violations of its obligations.

UNSCR 1284 - December 17, 1999



Notice the gap? Oh ya, the 1999 one triggered bombings and more sanctions.

And your list proves nothing. I can produce a larger list for Isreal and North Korea.
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What list of resolutions for my nation?

We are not in violation of any treaties!
United Korea Will Be The Center of the New World.

JUCHE!
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Saddam would never bluff to make himself look big and bad then go into hiding under a farm house after we actually invaded.

Wait...naaaa...

He would stand and fight and use his weapons since he's such a huge threat!

But...damn, no that won't work either.

Come on evil twin, you've got to come up with a better story. And try making it believable this time, huh?
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Saddam would never bluff to make himself look big and bad then go into hiding under a farm house after we actually invaded.

Wait...naaaa...

He would stand and fight and use his weapons since he's such a huge threat!

But...damn, no that won't work either.

Come on evil twin, you've got to come up with a better story. And try making it believable this time, huh?
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I'm not making up a story.
It's in black and white from the UN Security Council.

Even if Saddam was bluffing, he still violated every resolution.

What are we supposed to do at that point?
Throw our hands up in the air?
Prove to the world that anyone can ignore the UN with impunity?
I hope you don't raise your children that way.
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Re: No Mushroom Clouds, Rice?
Hans Blix personally admonished Saddam for "cat and mouse" games and warned Iraq of "serious consequences" if it attempted to hinder or delay his mission.

In his report to the UN Security Council on February 14, 2003, Blix claimed that "If Iraq had provided the necessary cooperation in 1991, the phase of disarmament -- under resolution 687 -- could have been short and a decade of sanctions could have been avoided."

He also said;

"I doubt that he will reveal any WMD, because I think both we UN inspectors and the American inspectors have been looking around and come to the conclusion that there aren't any,"

"He might be able to reveal when they were done away with. I am inclined to think it was early in 1991 or 1992."

"In fact, I was the one who was skeptical and critical, and said that I didn't think that the evidence was so strong, and said so to the Security Council,"

"They over-interpreted the intelligence they had."
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I cant' believe you're actually replying to that "Evil twin" guy... he he he...

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