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How much longer will MSNBC allow Keith Olbermann get away with telling the truth?

 
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Thursday October 19th 2006, 8:19 am

How much longer will MSNBC allow Keith Olbermann get away with telling the truth?

Olbermann, seemingly a lone wolf in the corporate media wilderness, had Jonathan Turley, a constitutional law professor at George Washington University, on his Countdown show earlier this week. Turley lambasted Bush’s Military Commissions Act of 2006, otherwise known as the death of habeas corpus, the very linchpin of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. The Military Commissions Act, Turley argued, is “a huge sea change for our democracy. The framers created a system where we did not have to rely on the good graces or good mood of the president. In fact, Madison said that he created a system essentially to be run by devils, where they could not do harm, because we didn’t rely on their good motivations.”

As we know, or should know, the mood of this “president,” who is in fact not a president because he was not elected, is that of Tomás de Torquemada, the Inquisitor General of the Spanish Inquisition. Bush, as unitary decider, is interested in his own version of the auto de fe, the condemnation and punishment of heretics and apostates opposed to the religion of the state.

Most of us, as Turley explained, simply cannot be bothered to notice. According to Turley, we have “become sort of constitutional couch potatoes. I mean, the Congress just gave the president despotic powers, and you could hear the yawn across the country as people turned to, you know, ‘Dancing with the Stars.’ I mean, it’s otherworldly.” Olbermann posited a legal challenge, and Turley responded: “I think people are fooling themselves if they believe that the courts will once again stop this president from taking over—taking almost absolute power. It basically comes down to a single vote on the Supreme Court, Justice Kennedy. And he indicated that if Congress gave the president these types of powers, that he might go along.”

In other words, the bastards hamstrung us while we were sleeping, or rather watching with carefree amusement and distraction the antics of the Anna Nicole Show, the Osbournes, the Girls Next Door, et al, ad nauseam. As Jonathan Swift once noted, we get the government we deserve, or maybe it should be we get the sort of government criminals devise while we are busy doing something else, too distracted to notice, too apathetic to give a damn.

“I am not too sure how we got to this point,” Turley admitted. “But people clearly don’t realize what a fundamental change it is about who we are as a country. What happened today changed us. And I’m not too sure we’re going to change back anytime soon.”

No, we will not regain our constitutional republic without a fight. But the question is, will the bovine public, fundamentally ignorant of the Constitution, resist tyranny? Are we too domesticated and comfortable to do the right thing?

Do we even know what the right thing is?
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as long as the ratings continue to go up
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as long as he doesnt tell the stupid dems that they are just a different side to the same nwo coin.he just hasnt figured that one out yet.he is green.he is just a dumb sports fan from espn...
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as long as he doesnt tell the stupid dems that they are just a different side to the same nwo coin.he just hasnt figured that one out yet.he is green.he is just a dumb sports fan from espn...
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Bullshit. Here is part of the transcript from the May 24, 2006 airing of Countdown. The lead story covered the scandal involving Congressman William Jefferson of Louisiana...who is a Democrat:


"But first, Nancy Pelosi and William Jefferson, the minority leader conceding to NBC News today that the Jefferson affair is hindering her ability to beat up the Republicans with the so-called culture of corruption on Capitol Hill, that concern no doubt influencing her decision to ask the congressman, who allegedly kept $90,000 in kickbacks in his freezer, like some leftover lasagna, to give up his coveted seat on the powerful Ways and Means Committee.

Quoting the congresswoman‘s letter to him, “In the interest of upholding the high ethical standard of the House Democratic caucus, I am writing to request your immediate resignation from the Ways and Means Committee,” Representative Jefferson wasting little time in telling the minority leader, paraphrasing here, to stuff it, or stuff it in a freezer somewhere.

His first reason, to deny the Louisiana congressman a seat on the committee responsible for allocating tax relief and federal funds would unfairly punish his district in the wake of Hurricane Katrina. His second reason, that he is innocent till proven guilty.

Quoting his letter to Congresswoman Pelosi, “Such a request would be discriminatory, inasmuch as no other member currently under federal investigation has been asked to step down from a substantive legislative committee assignment. It would also be unprecedented,” he continued, “inasmuch as I have served with members who have been indicted, tried and won their cases, and who were never asked to step aside from their committee assignments during those processes.”

What‘s that saying about two wrongs not making a right?"


[link to www.msnbc.msn.com]
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as long as he doesnt tell the stupid dems that they are just a different side to the same nwo coin.he just hasnt figured that one out yet.he is green.he is just a dumb sports fan from espn...
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He also can't tell the truth about 911 but I think this like the other issue of the L/R dog and pony show, is that he can only go so far on a mainstream outlet and is doing what he can from within (this idea I gather was also put forward by Jeff Rense who knows KO)....
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as long as he doesnt tell the stupid dems that they are just a different side to the same nwo coin.he just hasnt figured that one out yet.he is green.he is just a dumb sports fan from espn...


He also can't tell the truth about 911 but I think this like the other issue of the L/R dog and pony show, is that he can only go so far on a mainstream outlet and is doing what he can from within (this idea I gather was also put forward by Jeff Rense who knows KO)....
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YEP
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Yes, I think Keith is possibly on a sharp learning curve, just like a lot of people. He knows his history, and the Constitution. Not everyone knows everything about every conspiracy! Maybe he DOES know, maybe he doesn't (re: 9/11 particulars). He should, however, be applauded for what he DOES know and do, on behalf of all of us.
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OP, it is funny you metion this...

...I was just telling my wife (after watching him last night [link to www.msnbc.msn.com] ) that, altho WE know that he is almost there and so close to what WE see as the truth, in the Sheeple's eyes he IS the Fringe...he IS revealing the whole truth...

...In the Sheeple's eyes he is dangerously extreem and in the PTB's eyes he is close to the brink...

..I said "..it is only a matter of time befor the gov. plants k1ddy-p0rn on his computer....and the voice will die"

Just a Thought,

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OP, it is funny you metion this...

...I was just telling my wife (after watching him last night [link to www.msnbc.msn.com] ) that, altho WE know that he is almost there and so close to what WE see as the truth, in the Sheeple's eyes he IS the Fringe...he IS revealing the whole truth...

...In the Sheeple's eyes he is dangerously extreem and in the PTB's eyes he is close to the brink...

..I said "..it is only a matter of time befor the gov. plants k1ddy-p0rn on his computer....and the voice will die"

Just a Thought,

Ishtahota
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It's also possible he knows or at least suspects the rabbit hole is much deeper and darker and is limiting what he says so he can at least keep telling some of the truth.....
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billgates

could it be that bill is not part of TPTB Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
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The seed is 9/11. All the crap we've experienced in the past five years has grown from that seed. Until the media explores the origin of the seed, they are doing nothing for us.
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The seed is 9/11. All the crap we've experienced in the past five years has grown from that seed. Until the media explores the origin of the seed, they are doing nothing for us.
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Jefferson is a turd in a lot of punchbowls.
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The seed is 9/11. All the crap we've experienced in the past five years has grown from that seed. Until the media explores the origin of the seed, they are doing nothing for us.
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I agree to a certain extent . . . I think it also could be argued that the truth must be revealed in graduated steps because the whole awful truth is too much to be digested by most in one sitting . . . of course it could also be argued (and I've gone back and forth about this re Michael Moore's flick) . . . that these partial truth positions are limited hang out strategies to keep the prols from the deeper truth . . . hard to say, eh?
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Weird, this thread was pinned for 10 minutes and then unpinned scratching
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I agree to a certain extent . . . I think it also could be argued that the truth must be revealed in graduated steps because the whole awful truth is too much to be digested by most in one sitting . . .
 Quoting: rosswave


Well, just in case anybody out there thinks they are ready to jump right into the murky mists of the unvarnished truth in one sitting...or at least let it begin to run around in their heads while they continue to shake them profusely...read Voyagers II by Deane (Amazon carries it).

Ever wonder why George and others seem to be operating from a completely different 'play book'? Well, it is because they are.

Reality ain't NOTHIN' like we have been taught it is. Not even close. And when you begin to let it unravel in your own mind...there is no going back to the kindergarten we call 'daily life'.
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anyone have a link for his last nights show?
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They may not have to out him.

NBC has reported a major restructuring of news, and other programing.
Now they can take him off, and say it's because of the shake-up.
The only way I can see to help save Keith is tell everyone to watch, making his ratings too high for them to get rid of him that way.
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Get real folks...this action by olberman (my hero) was planned and he is "hands off" as he is protected by the handlers of the MSM.

He was chosen IMHO to reveal the truth as without even him, the MSM is in for a real harsh beating by the public...after all, the MSM was entirely complicit in the coverup!
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Actually it was part of the drama.
First Clinton went off on the Faux reporter, then Keith came out swinging.
Could be daddy is afraid of the monster he created.
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Get real folks...this action by olberman (my hero) was planned and he is "hands off" as he is protected by the handlers of the MSM.

He was chosen IMHO to reveal the truth as without even him, the MSM is in for a real harsh beating by the public...after all, the MSM was entirely complicit in the coverup!
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It may be they are about to sacrifice Bush...of course the same Elitopaths will still be in control, just with a kindler, gentler facade.....
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As long as he doesn't mention:

911 is a Mossad Job

Fed Banking is a TRILLION Dollar scam

they will probably let him live.

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NBC today reported they are letting 700 people go...AND moving the MSNBC news organ to their corporate building.

Also...SOME TV PERSONALITIES WILL BE LET GO!

Wanna take a bet who the first one will be?
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Not if we can get his ratings up to where it plain to see why they did it.
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Critics also question the decision to make cuts in news, one of NBC's strongest operations. NBC Nightly News with Brian Williams, Today and Meet the Press handily beat their rivals on other networks. CNBC remains a fountain of cash, although it is struggling with a decline in audience and advertiser interest in business news. NBC Sports is not affected by the plans.

It is "a gradual if largely unspoken retreat away from the idea that broadcast networks could brand themselves with the public by being major news-gathering institutions that people would turn to," says Tom Rosenstiel, director of the Project for Excellence in Journalism.

"To say that news isn't a growth area and, thus, they want to cut back also raises questions about how major NBC feels it can be in the next generation of online news. News is an emerging business online, a growth business. It is just not a growth business in television."

NBC says that view misses the point.

"We still very much believe in news," says NBC Universal Television Group CEO Jeff Zucker. "We are acknowledging that the way people consume news is changing, and we've got to change with that."

The cuts reflect the company's desire to integrate its operations more tightly and economically.

I.E.--let's mess with it until we fuck it up
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Critics also question the decision to make cuts in news, one of NBC's strongest operations. NBC Nightly News with Brian Williams, Today and Meet the Press handily beat their rivals on other networks. CNBC remains a fountain of cash, although it is struggling with a decline in audience and advertiser interest in business news. NBC Sports is not affected by the plans.

It is "a gradual if largely unspoken retreat away from the idea that broadcast networks could brand themselves with the public by being major news-gathering institutions that people would turn to," says Tom Rosenstiel, director of the Project for Excellence in Journalism.

"To say that news isn't a growth area and, thus, they want to cut back also raises questions about how major NBC feels it can be in the next generation of online news. News is an emerging business online, a growth business. It is just not a growth business in television."

NBC says that view misses the point.

"We still very much believe in news," says NBC Universal Television Group CEO Jeff Zucker. "We are acknowledging that the way people consume news is changing, and we've got to change with that."

The cuts reflect the company's desire to integrate its operations more tightly and economically.


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I.E.--let's mess with it until we fuck it up
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I agree to a certain extent . . . I think it also could be argued that the truth must be revealed in graduated steps because the whole awful truth is too much to be digested by most in one sitting . . .


Well, just in case anybody out there thinks they are ready to jump right into the murky mists of the unvarnished truth in one sitting...or at least let it begin to run around in their heads while they continue to shake them profusely...read Voyagers II by Deane (Amazon carries it).

Ever wonder why George and others seem to be operating from a completely different 'play book'? Well, it is because they are.

Reality ain't NOTHIN' like we have been taught it is. Not even close. And when you begin to let it unravel in your own mind...there is no going back to the kindergarten we call 'daily life'.
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No argument there . . . actually it's a never ending process from what I can tell, that's why anyone that claims a
monopoly on the "truth" is deluded....the truth is mutable to the moment.
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Folks,
The right wing is the mainstream media no matter what rush says.
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Keith is on the right track. His anger for the Bush adminstration is clear and he argues what he can intelligently and understandly with controlled emotional pizazz. Hope he keeps getting to the truth.
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bump
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you should realize by now that allowing a few

token, visible "dissidents" is part of the method

the other part of the method is to secretly persecute anyone who isn't a public figure who tries to follow the lead of the visible dissidents and organize a group

to actually take ACTION

METHOD:
1. allow visible dissident public figures
example: michael moore, k. olberman
2. secretly persecute members of public
who attempt to organize groups to take
action based on principles put forth
by visible pundits in (1) above.
examples: [link to www.godlikeproductions.com]
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you should realize by now that allowing a few

token, visible "dissidents" is part of the method

the other part of the method is to secretly persecute anyone who isn't a public figure who tries to follow the lead of the visible dissidents and organize a group

to actually take ACTION

METHOD:
1. allow visible dissident public figures
example: michael moore, k. olberman
2. secretly persecute members of public
who attempt to organize groups to take
action based on principles put forth
by visible pundits in (1) above.
examples: [link to www.godlikeproductions.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 66920


Got it yet, d.f. ?

Olbermann is just a decoration, camoflage to keep the true nature of the evil, totalitarian mind control state secret.

Now -- don't forget it. Just camoflage, a distraction, people the ashkenazi's can hold up to claim that political freedom does exist in america.

Oh yeah .. and every time you try to raise the alarm that oridnary people are being politically persecuted in america, the disinfo perps will jump in and say "but what about olbermann!?" it works quite well ... it's a level of sophistication just enough beyond direct, brutal suppression, that it is very difficult to raise awareness that it's happening. makes you wonder why acknowledged dictators in other countries haven't picked up on the method yet.





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