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Libya Updates 5/23/17: Police probe Libyan links of Manchester bomber who killed 22

 
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Germany and Italy want EU to halt migrants in Libya
5/15/17

German newspaper Welt am Sonntag reported on Sunday (14 May) that the German interior minister, Thomas de Maiziere, and his Italian counterpart, Marco Minniti, want the mission set up between Libya and Niger.

The ministers sent a joint-letter last week to the European Commission, saying that an EU mission at the border between the two nations was needed "as soon as possible."
"The first months of this year have shown that our efforts up to this point have been insufficient. We must prevent hundreds of thousands of people who are in the hands of smugglers from risking their lives in Libya and the Mediterranean," the letter states.


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And just where the fuck was that sentiment two years ago, when this began in earnest? Hmmmm? Why wait until the inundation is already in full swing?
Hmmm?
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The Libyan quagmire
5/15/17

It is important to mobilise the efforts of the civil society organisations, the local municipal authorities, and the tribal elders to raise the public awareness of the vital importance of these elections in Libya’s evolution towards democracy. Furthermore, any UN resolution taken in this regard should clearly indicate severe sanctions and punitive measures to be taken against those who in any way attempt to obstruct the electoral process.

As Kobler rightly told the Security Council, the time has come for the international community to move from “containment” to “engagement” vis-à-vis Libya. Indeed, there is a moral responsibility for the international community to do so. Nato intervened in Libya under a UN mandate effectively putting an end to the previous regime. It is, therefore, unacceptable to leave Libya to its own devices at this critical juncture of its history.

The time to save Libya is now. Failure to do so will have dire and tragic consequences for Libya and its neighbours. If no solution is reached by this summer, it may indeed prove to be a “Libyan summer of discontent” sending shockwaves all over the Mediterranean.


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If they ever want 'democracy' in a tribal nation such as Libya, they're going to have to do what they did in America.
You had many tribes that existed together on the continent. Treaty and war was between the tribes, no oversight committees. Those who tried to exert control over them found out they didn't like it too much. Does anyone recall the nations of this continent crying out for 'democracy'? 'Oh please, give us your wondrous system of control that will ensure our demise!'
So they had to be genocided, wiped out, and the survivors put into little boxes.
No more tribal nation. Pretty simple. Once you wipe out the tribes, then you can do whatever the fuck you want.......

We can’t impose democracy where it’s not wanted
9/26/14

There was joy around the world as the pressure mounted on his regime, and we feted a government in exile that swanned around Europe acting like they meant something. We armed some of the factions fighting Gaddafi, thinking we were clever enough to pick winners. Now look at what our applause and gun-running has brought Libya: chaos on a grand scale is our legacy.

The barbarians are no longer massing at the gates, they have taken over. Tribalism and religion dominate the landscape because the West cannot admit their greatest failing. You cannot impose the wonders of democracy on people who have no history of it and no stomach for it. Local warlords command the loyalty of their own tribe and are deeply suspicious of the warlord next door.

Whatever happened to the government in exile? Who knows, but what we do know is that no government exists in Libya today. We rightly mourn the loss of an American diplomat in Benghazi but give barely a thought to those locals dying every day in futile battles fought over territory. The media has lost interest in Libya because the Islamic State beheads and converts.


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Libyan authorities issue international circular on looted antiquities from Libya
5/15/17

The list included incidents of looting that date back to the World War II including a sandstone statue and a local sculpture representing the goddess Isis, found in Martuba town, in addition to a pharaonic statue made from black basalt stolen from Tolmeita village during the Second World War, which is being shown at Cleveland Museum of Art in Ohio, USA since 1991.

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A new recipe for Libyan civil war
5/16/17

In the last few months, the implementation of the UN-backed Libyan Political Agreement (LPA) has stalled while violence slowly escalated and economic collapse accelerated.

Unsurprisingly, optimism soared among diplomats and policymakers when news came out of an Emirati-brokered meeting on 2 May held in Abu Dhabi between Fayez Serraj, head of the UN-backed and Tripoli-based Presidency Council, and Khalifa Haftar, the “field-marshall” who heads a rival administration in the country’s east.
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Except there was no such deal. The leaks, mostly launched on news outlets close to Gulf countries or Egypt, reported Haftar’s negotiating positions, not an agreement between the two.


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What does the Haftar-Serraj meeting mean for Libya?
5/18/17

UAE officials hailed the meeting as a major breakthrough after 18 months of stalemate between Tripoli and Tobruk. But analysts have been left wondering if a real discussion between the two reluctant leaders took place at all and why the talks didn't produce any official documents.

Rumours have been swirling around about the results of the meeting and how binding they would be.

According to diplomatic sources, the talks focused on reducing the Presidential Council from nine to three members, to include the head of the Armed Forces, Khalifa Haftar, the head of the House of Representatives Aqila Saleh, and the head of the unity government, Fayez Serraj.


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AU president welcomes Serraj to Guinea; only Hafter remains
5/18/17

Presidency Council (PC) head Faiez Serraj is the latest political figure to arrive in Guinea for talks with its president and African Union chief, Alpha Condé. It follows visits to Conakry by Ageela Saleh, Khalifa Ghwell and Nuri Abu Sahmain and a week ago by Prince Idris Al-Senussi.

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At least 141 people reported killed in Libya airbase attack
5/19/17

At least 141 people, mostly soldiers loyal to Libya's Field Marshal Khalifa Haftar, have been killed in an attack on a southern airbase, a spokesman for his forces said on Friday.

Reports suggest the Third Force militia, which is loyal to the UN-backed Government of National Accord in Tripoli on Thursday attacked the base used by Haftar's self-proclaimed Libyan National Army (LNA).

LNA spokesman Ahmad al-Mesmari on Friday said the victims included civilians who worked at the Brak al-Shati airbase or were in the nearby area. He also reported that summary executions took place.

"The soldiers were returning from a military parade. They weren't armed. Most of them were executed," he said.

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5,000 refugees rescued on route to Italy from Libya
5/20/17

About 5,000 refugees bound for Italy were rescued in waters off the coast of Libya between Thursday and Saturday morning by Italian and Libyan coastguards, according to statements from both countries.
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"Libya is crazy. They arrest us, the police... They put us in some place... two, three days no eat, no drink. They beat us," said Alseer Issa Ibrahim, 28, from the Darfur region of Sudan.

John Osifo, a 29-year-old Nigerian, spent 11 months in Libya. He said he did not plan to go to Europe, but after a few months working at a car wash, a local man destroyed his passport and work permit, making him an irregular migrant, and he was forced into hard labour.


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But ended up on a boat to Europe anyway....
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The will of the people is the only legitimate foundation of any government, and to protect its free expression should be our first object.

~ Thomas Jefferson, Inaugural Address, 1801


It is not only vain, but wicked, in a legislator to frame laws in opposition to the laws of nature, and to arm them with the terrors of death. This is truly creating crimes in order to punish them.

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LNA claims many Brak Al-Shatti attackers were foreign, says it is fighting Al-Qaeda
5/20/17

The Libyan National Army (LNA) has said it is fighting Al-Qaeda and claimed that some of its soldiers killed at Brak Al-Shatti had been beheaded. It also said the majority of the attackers it had subsequently captured were foreigners.

Mohamed Lifrais, spokesman for the LNA’s 12th Brigade, which bore the brunt of Thursday’s assault, told the Libya Herald: “We are convinced we are fighting Al-Qaeda.”


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Arab League brands Brak Al-Shatti massacre “barbaric”
5/20/17

The Arab League today described the Brak Al-Shatti massacre as “barbaric” and said that it was a dangerous escalation that threatened to ignite greater battles.

The attack on the airbase camp “once again demonstrated the grave threat posed by armed groups and outlawed militias to the security, sovereignty and territorial integrity of the Libyan state.”

In its statement issued in Cairo, the League once again insisted that there could be no military solution and the current crisis could only be settled by all parties working with the Libyan Political Agreement.


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UN urges Libya to release all refugees, asylum seekers
5/21/17

"I fully appreciate that the government has security concerns," he said, but added that "other solutions" could be found for people fleeing countries in conflict such as Syria and Somalia.

Thousands of refugees are being held in dozens of detention centres in Libya, after being stopped or rescued from rickety boats as they attempted the perilous Mediterranean crossing to Europe.


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Release them to go where? Right back onto the next boat they can find? How is that doing them any favor, or stemming the tide of immigrants into Europe?
Brilliant plan...coming from the same UN that helped cause this fucking disaster in the first place.
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Indeed.
He was quite vague on the options.
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Indeed.
He was quite vague on the options.
 Quoting: libertine


Yes....quite.

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Serraj gains significant but brief encounter with Trump
5/22/17

Sunday’s meeting between Presidency Council (PC) head Faiez Serraj and US President Donald Trump in Riyadh lasted little more than a couple of minutes and took some considerable effort to arrange because the American president had not wanted to discuss Libya, officials have told the Libya Herald.

The two met on the sidelines of the American Islamic States Summit in the Saudi capital.

According to the PC’s media office, however, the short meeting saw President Trump reaffirm full US support for Libya in its battle against terrorism and praise for Serraj’s government of national accord in defeating the so-called Islamic State, plus an agreement that the two sides should to continue to cooperate and hold future consulatation meetings.

Serraj also met with US Secretary of State Rex Tillerson.


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HRW gives detailed account of Brak Al-Shatti massacre
5/22/17

HRW spoke to a senior hospital official by phone who said that as of 19 May, a day after the assault by the Misratan-led 13th Battalion, 75 dead had been brought in, all adult males with the exception of two boys aged around 15. Around 30 were military personnel all of whom had died from gunshot wounds and all had bullet wounds to the head. No injured had been brought for treatment and the hospital had seen no casualties from the 13th Battalion.

“He also said that five corpses arrived at the hospital with bound arms, and another six had been disfigured in a way that suggested their heads had been run over by a vehicle” reported HRW.


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Human Rights Watch...heh...

Here's a little something from HRW

"Alongside Yonous Muhammadi, this year's recipient of the Alison Des Forges Award for Extraordinary Activism, we are pleased to honor businessman and philanthropist George Soros for his extraordinary commitment toward promoting human rights and justice around the world."
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and a little something else...

George Soros to Give $100 million to Human Rights Watch
9/7/10

(New York) – George Soros, philanthropist and financier, today announced a challenge grant of $100 million over 10 years to Human Rights Watch. The grant from his Open Society Foundations, the largest that he has ever made to a nongovernmental organization, will be used to expand and deepen Human Rights Watch’s global presence to more effectively protect and promote human rights around the world.

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No doubt there are atrocities committed around the world every day.
But it's all in the reporting, as to how it is received....who's doing it, what's their 'slant' , and who backs them.

Is the reporting truthfulness and accuracy of Human Rights Watch (HRW) to be questioned, because Soros has his fingers in their pie? How accurate do you believe these accounts to be? What about the "Syrian Observatory for Human Rights", run by a man living in England? Can his sources be trusted, since SOHR is a known anti-Assad entity?

It's a jungle out there in media land.

Grain of salt.
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Libya: Regime Change Disguised as a People's Revolution
5/22/17

Regime change in Libya, disguised as a people's revolution, has an important lesson for progressives that uprisings aided and funded by the United States and its allies should not be supported whether they present themselves as "democratic", "anti-dictatorship" or another label. There is nothing to expect from the Western nations on the liberation of peoples in Africa, Asia, and Latin America. Any movements and "revolutions" brought in by the West are inherently regressive in that they are efforts not to oust governments that do not represent the interests of their citizens but to oust governments that do not represent the interests of Western finance capital. As a result, when a government in a post-colonial country is attacked as "dictatorial" and targeted for regime change, the correct side for progressives is that of the targeted government and not the "freedom fighters."

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Italy inks deal with Libya neighbours to block migrants
5/22/17

Italy has signed a deal with Libya, Chad and Niger to try to stem the flow of migrants across the Mediterranean by beefing up border controls and creating new reception centres in the African nations.

A joint statement by the interior ministers of the four countries said they had agreed to set up centres in Chad and Niger, key countries of transit for migrants who travel to Libya and on to Italy from sub-Saharan Africa.

The statement, released Sunday after an Italy-organised meeting in Rome, said the new centres in Chad and Niger, and the existing ones in Libya, would live up to "international humanitarian standards".


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Salman Abedi: Police probe Libyan links of Manchester bomber who killed 22
5/23/17

Abedi, 22, who was known to the security authorities, is reported to have been born in Manchester of Libyan parents, Ramadan Abedi and Samia Tabbal, who had arrived as refugees to escape persecution from Muammar Gaddafi’s regime.

An unnamed school friend of the Salford University dropout told The Times Abedi had just arrived back from Libya, a country where terrorist training is available from jihadist camps.

"He went to Libya three weeks ago and came back recently, like days ago," the friend is reported to have said.

It is believed some of the family visited Libya recently and a 23-year-old man, understood to be a family member, was arrested today.


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