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Agent of Light (OP) User ID: 71130357 Nigeria 01/05/2016 05:58 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Why Don't Jews Believe in Jesus as the Messiah? Jews do not believe that the Messiah is a part of G-d, or Divine in any way, more than any other person. Jews look only to G-d for our salvation, and when the time comes for G-d to bring the anointed king, then it shall happen. Jews do not concern ourselves with the messiah’s identity, for the messiah is a person and the messiah's coming does not change our relationship with G-d. Jews do not accept the notion that Scripture “foretells” that G-d would robe Himself in flesh; in fact, to Jews, this idea is idolatry, and we stand against it. The reason why Jews do not accept Jesus as the messiah is straightforward: he did not meet the requirements in the job requisition! G-d outlined these requirements in the Bible. According to Torah, the Messiah will: Ezekiel 37:26-28: Build the Third Temple Isaiah 43:5-6: Gather all Jews back to the Land of Israel Isaiah 2:4: Usher in an era of world peace, and end all hatred, oppression, suffering and disease. "Nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall man learn war anymore." Zechariah 14:9: Spread universal knowledge of the G-d of Israel - uniting the entire human race as one: "G-d will be King over all the world—on that day, G-d will be One and His Name will be One" Jesus fulfilled none of these messianic prophecies. [link to www.shamash.org] |
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Agent of Light (OP) User ID: 71177625 Nigeria 01/05/2016 06:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | From the training God Himself has given me through His Holy Spirit in the past fourteen years, I can definitely say that there is a lot of error in both Christian and Jewish understanding of the messiah. The error in the Christian understanding crept in when the Romans took over Christianity. The Romans didn't have any requisite preparation to lead the relationship between man and God; they fumbled terribly in many ways. The error of the Jews started during the time of Jesus. The Jewish religious leaders expected the messiah to arise with pomp and pageantry, with themselves being his assistants. Jesus, who claimed to be the messiah, was just too meek and lowly; moreover, he selected even more lowly and inconsequential people to be his assistants. The Jewish leaders waved him off as a childish mocker. When they saw what started as a little ember grow into a wild wire, they waged physical war against it within their sphere of authority and yet failed to stop it. When the wild fire became a worldwide phenomenon, the Jewish religious scripted a damning doctrine of rebuttal against the Jesus movement. Ultimately, they succeeded in convincing the Jews of all time to hold to that doctrine, even though the rest of the world hates the Jews for that same doctrine. |
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Agent of Light (OP) User ID: 71146061 Nigeria 01/05/2016 06:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The Jews believe that the messiah will be as normal Jew as king David; God will anoint him very much like He anointed David and other kings of Israel. But if the messiah will be like David, could somebody like David achieve all that the Tanakh says the messiah must do? How will such a David-like king bring about peace among all nations, perfect harmony and abundance in nature, return all Israelites to Israel, achieve universal acceptance of the Jewish God and Jewish religion, and abolish sin from the world? |
Agent of Light (OP) User ID: 71093257 Nigeria 01/05/2016 06:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The seed of Jacob wont return until rabbis admit the truth. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71144497 Confess or die. Scripture shows that they will never admit the truth. Zec. 13:2 “On that day, I will banish the names of the idols from the land, and they will be remembered no more,” declares the LORD Almighty. “I will remove both the prophets and the spirit of impurity from the land. Zec. 13:3 And if anyone still prophesies, his father and mother, to whom he was born, will say to him, ‘You must die, because you have told lies in the LORD’s name.’ When he prophesies, his own parents will stab him. Zec. 13:4 “On that day every prophet will be ashamed of his prophetic vision. He will not put on a prophet’s garment of hair in order to deceive. Zec. 13:5 He will say, ‘I am not a prophet. I am a farmer; the land has been my livelihood since my youth.’ [Or farmer; a man sold me in my youth] Zec. 13:6 If someone asks him, ‘What are these wounds on your body?’ [Or wounds between your hands] he will answer, ‘The wounds I was given at the house of my friends.’ Even after Jesus has returned (Zec. 12:9-10), some Jewish Rabbis will still prophecy lies to the Jews, and the Jews will attack them mercilessly (Zec. 13:6). |
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Agent of Light (OP) User ID: 71177790 Nigeria 01/05/2016 06:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The Body is the Temple...To Re-establish/Rebuild a 3rd Temple is man's folly and not the will of God...For God does not dwell in Temples made by men, but within the Heart. Peace Correct! It is inexplicable how the Jews rejected further revelations from God that would have enabled them to become the world's champion that God created them to be. |
Agent of Light (OP) User ID: 71097896 Nigeria 01/05/2016 07:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The Jews believe that the messiah will be as normal Jew as king David; God will anoint him very much like He anointed David and other kings of Israel. But if the messiah will be like David, could somebody like David achieve all that the Tanakh says the messiah must do? How will such a David-like king bring about peace among all nations, perfect harmony and abundance in nature, return all Israelites to Israel, achieve universal acceptance of the Jewish God and Jewish religion, and abolish sin from the world? Quoting: Agent of Light Scripture shows that a man will fulfill some of the Jewish expectations of the messiah. They will quickly accept him, with the expectation that he will soon fulfill all the remaining expectations. After the Jews have accepted him, the man will blow their minds. The judgment of God will follow immediately against the Jews. Da. 9:27 He will confirm a covenant with many for one ‘seven’. [Or ‘week’] In the middle of the ‘seven’ [Or ‘week’] he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And on a wing of the temple he will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out on him.” [Or it] [Or And one who causes desolation will come upon the pinnacle of the abominable temple, until the end that is decreed is poured out on the desolated city] Zec. 13:7 “Awake, O sword, against my shepherd, against the man who is close to me!” declares the LORD Almighty. “Strike the shepherd, and the sheep will be scattered, and I will turn my hand against the little ones. Zec. 13:8 In the whole land,” declares the LORD, “two-thirds will be struck down and perish; yet one-third will be left in it. Zec. 13:9 This third I will bring into the fire; I will refine them like silver and test them like gold. They will call on my name and I will answer them; I will say, ‘They are my people,’ and they will say, ‘The LORD is our God.’” Jn. 5:43 I have come in my Father’s name, and you do not accept me; but if someone else comes in his own name, you will accept him. |
Agent of Light (OP) User ID: 71177892 Nigeria 01/05/2016 07:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The Hebrew messiah is actually the messiah of the world. The Jewish Tanakh shows that he will save the whole world. But in order for the world to be saved, we must go back to how trouble started in the world. We need to go back to the Garden of Eden. No messiah can save the world without dealing with the problems that arose in the Garden of God. |
danielbarzohar User ID: 71115629 United States 01/05/2016 07:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I see much truth in your thread OP. Another area all religions have gone array with is the notion that their theology is the total truth. Jesus said the two greatest commandments were to love God and love you fellow man. The true message is a simple as that. God knows that we see through a glass darkly and can grasp only simple truths. He is concerned that we acknowledge Him and love Him and our fellow man. It is love that connects us to God. If we become self-centered, we are full of self-love and essentially hate God and hate our fellow man. We send ourselves to Heaven or Hell based on our connection with Love or Hate. We should be able to love and respect one another and then strive to discuss our different understandings to jointly search for truth. Some Christians have gone astray in thinking and preaching that you have to go through certain motions for salvation. The bible is very clear. Salvation is through Tshuvah (returning to God and His love to follow Him and His leading). Salvation is not saying certain words or going to church, or being baptized, or etc. It is a lifestyle of loving God and following Him. Jesus taught people to follow his example and be One with the Father, to be filled with God's love. Anyone, and I mean anyone, who hates another human is not connected to God. The world is polarizing into two groups: one filled with love and the other with hate. Choose wisely which group to be in as the group filled with love will transition into the real world while the hateful group will dissolve when this illusionary world dissolves. Maybe it is this collective group filled with love that brings the world to come by being little messiahs in God's image. "Do only that, which would be acceptable to all mankind." |
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danielbarzohar User ID: 71115629 United States 01/05/2016 07:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | "Do only that, which would be acceptable to all mankind." |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 71144497 United States 01/05/2016 07:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Someone who focuses on a person color of skin is too focused on the physical allusion of this world. God looks at the heart and not the physical attributes of a person. God chose David to be king because of his heart. God will do the same with the coming messiah. It is a spiritual choice rooted in the nature of the messiah heart, not in his skin color or nose shape or ear shape, or height. He will be chosen based on his ability to channel God's love to all humanity. Quoting: danielbarzohar What color skin does danielbarzohar expect the messiah to be wearing? |
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Saracen User ID: 69152714 Canada 01/05/2016 07:58 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Someone who focuses on a person color of skin is too focused on the physical allusion of this world. God looks at the heart and not the physical attributes of a person. God chose David to be king because of his heart. God will do the same with the coming messiah. It is a spiritual choice rooted in the nature of the messiah heart, not in his skin color or nose shape or ear shape, or height. He will be chosen based on his ability to channel God's love to all humanity. Quoting: danielbarzohar Color has everything to do with it! Those that downplay that fact are the biggest liars of them all. If color was not a factor, your Renaissance painters would have left all the original images of Christ the way they were, but that wasn't the case lol Those that claim illusion are living one themselves. |
danielbarzohar User ID: 71115629 United States 01/05/2016 09:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I am not looking for a skin color in the messiah. I am looking for him to identify himself by what he does. If he fulfills all the prophecies in the bible, saves the righteous, and destroys the evil, he will be anointed by God of the Universe as king in the world to come. If you key on some physical trait you may miss who he is. He is root of Jesse and as such will be hidden until the tree of God's kingdom sprouts from the root. "Do only that, which would be acceptable to all mankind." |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 71141479 Israel 01/05/2016 09:43 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Zec. 13:3 And if anyone still prophesies, his father and mother, to whom he was born, will say to him, ‘You must die, because you have told lies in the LORD’s name.’ When he prophesies, his own parents will stab him. Zec. 13:4 “On that day every prophet will be ashamed of his prophetic vision. He will not put on a prophet’s garment of hair in order to deceive. Zec. 13:5 He will say, ‘I am not a prophet. I am a farmer; the land has been my livelihood since my youth.’ [Or farmer; a man sold me in my youth] Zec. 13:6 If someone asks him, ‘What are these wounds on your body?’ [Or wounds between your hands] he will answer, ‘The wounds I was given at the house of my friends.’ jesus has wounds in his hands. OP you trippin |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 22553109 United States 01/05/2016 09:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Someone who focuses on a person color of skin is too focused on the physical allusion of this world. God looks at the heart and not the physical attributes of a person. God chose David to be king because of his heart. God will do the same with the coming messiah. It is a spiritual choice rooted in the nature of the messiah heart, not in his skin color or nose shape or ear shape, or height. He will be chosen based on his ability to channel God's love to all humanity. Quoting: danielbarzohar Color has everything to do with it! Those that downplay that fact are the biggest liars of them all. If color was not a factor, your Renaissance painters would have left all the original images of Christ the way they were, but that wasn't the case lol Those that claim illusion are living one themselves. ^OP |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 71141479 Israel 01/05/2016 09:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | OP my advice to you... if you want to keep you faith in jesus, NEVER EVER EVER give in to ANY jewish regarding the messiah not even one!!!! paul said that we jews have scales, Christians see clearly! the second you give in to even one jewish teaching you admit you have scales... and from there you would learn you have many scales over your eyes, one by one you would remove them until you completely reject jesus. |
puredreaming User ID: 69921256 United States 01/05/2016 09:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | OP my advice to you... if you want to keep you faith in jesus, NEVER EVER EVER give in to ANY jewish regarding the messiah not even one!!!! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71141479 paul said that we jews have scales, Christians see clearly! the second you give in to even one jewish teaching you admit you have scales... and from there you would learn you have many scales over your eyes, one by one you would remove them until you completely reject jesus. And how is the old animal sacrifice thing working out. Seemed that was pretty important at one time. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 26075821 United States 01/05/2016 09:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | OP my advice to you... if you want to keep you faith in jesus, NEVER EVER EVER give in to ANY jewish regarding the messiah not even one!!!! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71141479 paul said that we jews have scales, Christians see clearly! the second you give in to even one jewish teaching you admit you have scales... and from there you would learn you have many scales over your eyes, one by one you would remove them until you completely reject jesus. Unless you are everything you accuse.. |
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Saracen User ID: 69152714 Canada 01/05/2016 09:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I am not looking for a skin color in the messiah. I am looking for him to identify himself by what he does. If he fulfills all the prophecies in the bible, saves the righteous, and destroys the evil, he will be anointed by God of the Universe as king in the world to come. If you key on some physical trait you may miss who he is. He is root of Jesse and as such will be hidden until the tree of God's kingdom sprouts from the root. Quoting: danielbarzohar Here is a big hint to narrow it down for you lol To be anointed is to be black. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 71141479 Israel 01/05/2016 09:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | OP my advice to you... if you want to keep you faith in jesus, NEVER EVER EVER give in to ANY jewish regarding the messiah not even one!!!! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71141479 paul said that we jews have scales, Christians see clearly! the second you give in to even one jewish teaching you admit you have scales... and from there you would learn you have many scales over your eyes, one by one you would remove them until you completely reject jesus. And how is the old animal sacrifice thing working out. Seemed that was pretty important at one time. read Solomon's temple dedication (its in first kings) where he says that when we have no temple and altar we are to pray supplicate and repent. hosea says the same thing. and in Ezekiel we are told that in the 3rd temple the sacrifices would resume so... this kinda leaves no room for Jesus' sacrifice. |
Saracen User ID: 69152714 Canada 01/05/2016 09:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Someone who focuses on a person color of skin is too focused on the physical allusion of this world. God looks at the heart and not the physical attributes of a person. God chose David to be king because of his heart. God will do the same with the coming messiah. It is a spiritual choice rooted in the nature of the messiah heart, not in his skin color or nose shape or ear shape, or height. He will be chosen based on his ability to channel God's love to all humanity. Quoting: danielbarzohar Color has everything to do with it! Those that downplay that fact are the biggest liars of them all. If color was not a factor, your Renaissance painters would have left all the original images of Christ the way they were, but that wasn't the case lol Those that claim illusion are living one themselves. ^OP You wish bruh |
puredreaming User ID: 69921256 United States 01/05/2016 09:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | OP my advice to you... if you want to keep you faith in jesus, NEVER EVER EVER give in to ANY jewish regarding the messiah not even one!!!! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71141479 paul said that we jews have scales, Christians see clearly! the second you give in to even one jewish teaching you admit you have scales... and from there you would learn you have many scales over your eyes, one by one you would remove them until you completely reject jesus. And how is the old animal sacrifice thing working out. Seemed that was pretty important at one time. read Solomon's temple dedication (its in first kings) where he says that when we have no temple and altar we are to pray supplicate and repent. hosea says the same thing. and in Ezekiel we are told that in the 3rd temple the sacrifices would resume so... this kinda leaves no room for Jesus' sacrifice. Actually there is a lot of room for Jesus sacrifice. He died for all people, not just one race. |