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Were the Beatles Mind Controlled Illuminati Agents and Was Paul Replaced in '66?

 
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Were the Beatles Mind Controlled Illuminati Agents and Was Paul Replaced in '66?
It's hard for me to get my mind around this but then my belief system has taken some major hits the last 5 years...I've seen/heard somewhat credible evidence to these points . . .

My questions:

1. Why was it necessary to replace Paul (just a car accident or did they need a different actor)?

2. How did their music further the Elite Agenda?

3. Was John Lennon killed because he was going to reveal the truth or decided not to go along with their agenda or for some other reason?

4. Was Bob Dylan used in similar ways?

5. Am I getting seriously paranoid and this is all bunk and I can return to appreciating Beatles/Dylan music for what it appears to be on the surface?
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why don't you ask Brian Epstein what the Beatles were really about?
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why don't you ask Brian Epstein what the Beatles were really about?
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If he were alive and I ran in those circles or if I channeled the dead, I would.
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why do you think he committed 'suicide'?
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why do you think he committed 'suicide'?
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You tell me . . .
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well let's just say that it's a lot worse than you may imagine
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While I don't believe that the Beatles were Illuminati agents or that Paul actually died, there are some disturbing aspects of this band that are unsettling to me.

Why was this band singled out and promoted to such meteoric heights/icon worship so early on in their careers? Why was their Ed Sullivan appearance one of the zietgeists of the TV era? Why did the Beatles recieve (and subsequently return) medals from the Queen and Sir Paul knighted? You would never see that happen today to a musical act. It will certainly not happen again.

The Beatles were also a major impetus for the popularizing of LSD into the mainstream. If Tim Leary were truly a CIA asset, then the Beatles were certainly implicit in promoting him to guru status. I remember that John once gave an interview where he said something to the effect that we had the CIA to thank for acid, along the lines that it was their gift to the world etc. Then after Leary went underground, Lennon was investigated by the FBI, had his phones tapped among other things, and was basically forced to go underground himself for many years. Then when he came back to the public eye he was immediately murdered under suspicious circumstances.

Makes you wonder.
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well let's just say that it's a lot worse than you may imagine
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These days I can imagine lots of bad shit. I'm pretty sure love is not all there is ...
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Octopus knows a lot about it, it is really a dark situation that hasn't really been opened up and you will find that there are those who don't want it opened up.

Let's just say that the situation the world is in now can be traced back in part to the Fab Four and those behind them.

And remember that there were a lot of wise people back then who hated the beatles and spoke out against them.
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And remember that there were a lot of wise people back then who hated the beatles and spoke out against them.
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Who?
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While I don't believe that the Beatles were Illuminati agents or that Paul actually died, there are some disturbing aspects of this band that are unsettling to me.

Why was this band singled out and promoted to such meteoric heights/icon worship so early on in their careers? Why was their Ed Sullivan appearance one of the zietgeists of the TV era? Why did the Beatles recieve medals from the Queen and Sir Paul knighted? You would never see that happen today to a musical act. It will certainly not happen again.

The Beatles were also a major impetus for the popularizing of LSD into the mainstream. If Tim Leary were truly a CIA asset, then the Beatles were certainly implicit in promoting him to guru status. I remember that John once gave an interview where he said something to the effect that we had the CIA to thank for acid, along the lines that it was their gift to the world etc. Then after Leary went underground, Lennon was investigated by the FBI, had his phones tapped among other things, and was basically forced to go underground himself for many years. Then when he came back to the public eye he was immediately murdered under suspicious circumstances.

Makes you wonder.
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I think Leary admitted to being a CIA asset right?
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Are you kidding?

try every parent of a teenage girl, every pastor, priest, minister, social leader, just about everyone except teenage girls and those who wanted to impress teen age girls.

We had a hate the beatles group back then, a lot of people knew that there was something very wrong with what was going on and they turned out to be right.
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I think Leary admitted to being a CIA asset right?
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I don't recall that he ever admitted so publically, although if you research the issue, you'll find a great deal of evidence that he was working at least in conjuction with the CIA. The agency definitely had a vested interest in popularizing the drug for the masses, and Leary fit the bill as their messiah. If you really look at it, before 1967 acid was widely promoted through the mass media in films, music, magazines, etc. All you have to do it connect the dots, the CIA wanted to test their wonder drug and we were just a nation full of willing lab rats.
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Are you kidding?

try every parent of a teenage girl, every pastor, priest, minister, social leader, just about everyone except teenage girls and those who wanted to impress teen age girls.

We had a hate the beatles group back then, a lot of people knew that there was something very wrong with what was going on and they turned out to be right.
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You said "wise" people, not random parents and clergy who may have had personal reasons or belief systems for disliking the Beatles . . . .
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I think Leary admitted to being a CIA asset right?


I don't recall that he ever admitted so publically, although if you research the issue, you'll find a great deal of evidence that he was working at least in conjuction with the CIA. The agency definitely had a vested interest in popularizing the drug for the masses, and Leary fit the bill as their messiah. If you really look at it, before 1967 acid was widely promoted through the mass media in films, music, magazines, etc. All you have to do it connect the dots, the CIA wanted to test their wonder drug and we were just a nation full of willing lab rats.
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YUP
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The quote I referenced earlier comes from the 1975 Playboy interview with John Lennon. The interview was conducted in a period where John was basically in hiding becuase of all the pressure on him for his political activism among other things.

The actual quote:

"We must always remember to thank the CIA and the Army for LSD. That’s what people forget. Everything is the opposite of what it is, isn’t it, Harry? So get out the bottle, boy — and relax. They invented LSD to control people and what they did was give us freedom. Sometimes it works in mysterious ways its wonders to perform. If you look in the Government reports on acid, the ones who jumped out the window or killed themselves because of it, I think even with Art Linkletter’s daughter, it happened to her years later. So, let’s face it, she wasn’t really on acid when she jumped out the window. And I’ve never met anybody who’s had a flashback on acid. I’ve never had a flashback in my life and I took millions of trips in the Sixties."
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John Lennon did not know that the Illuminati Capitalists invented communism. Like many he thought it was an antithesis to capitalism -- which was the point.


you should get more intense about the real players. Paul and John were flies in the ointment or tools. Johnson and Kennedy are far more key...

it's too easy to look for bit players and avoid THE EYE IN THE PYRAMID. aren't you more hungry for change than just to fuck with drugged out Pauly?

I think Harrison's seduction by ISKCON is far more telling in its Aryan implications. Think about THAT for awhile, and the way HE died.

and then, maybe get real about the politics and enjoy some music, man, cause they want to take enjoyment of music away from us. it's so close to the joy and happiness they seek to neutralize like a grinchmob.
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I think Harrison's seduction by ISKCON is far more telling in its Aryan implications. Think about THAT for awhile, and the way HE died.

and then, maybe get real about the politics and enjoy some music, man, cause they want to take enjoyment of music away from us. it's so close to the joy and happiness they seek to neutralize like a grinchmob.
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Don't get me wrong, I love their music. I can separate that from what I'm talking about here with no problem. I realize that the Beatles or other bands weren't the root problem, but if you're researching THE CONSPIRACY, you have to include all aspects of the culture, including the art and music. I just have questions, things I've stumbled upon. BTW, what's this about George and ISKCON?
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The quote I referenced earlier comes from the 1975 Playboy interview with John Lennon. The interview was conducted in a period where John was basically in hiding becuase of all the pressure on him for his political activism among other things.

The actual quote:

"We must always remember to thank the CIA and the Army for LSD. That’s what people forget. Everything is the opposite of what it is, isn’t it, Harry? So get out the bottle, boy — and relax. They invented LSD to control people and what they did was give us freedom. Sometimes it works in mysterious ways its wonders to perform. If you look in the Government reports on acid, the ones who jumped out the window or killed themselves because of it, I think even with Art Linkletter’s daughter, it happened to her years later. So, let’s face it, she wasn’t really on acid when she jumped out the window. And I’ve never met anybody who’s had a flashback on acid. I’ve never had a flashback in my life and I took millions of trips in the Sixties."
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Thanks, Octo...interesting quote . . . actually I know someone who jumped out of a window on LSD, quite a cliche I know but true...he's been in a wheelchair since the mid-sixties, a very good musician though....
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Are you kidding?

try every parent of a teenage girl, every pastor, priest, minister, social leader, just about everyone except teenage girls and those who wanted to impress teen age girls.

We had a hate the beatles group back then, a lot of people knew that there was something very wrong with what was going on and they turned out to be right.


You said "wise" people, not random parents and clergy who may have had personal reasons or belief systems for disliking the Beatles . . . .
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don't think that there weren't a lot of wise people back then as parents and clergy because there were. There were also social commentators, editorialists, etc. People in general were much wiser back then, they hadn't been dumbed down yet, remember this was just when the wave the beatles represented was beginning, it's been 40 years since then of decay.
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I think Harrison's seduction by ISKCON is far more telling in its Aryan implications. Think about THAT for awhile, and the way HE died.

and then, maybe get real about the politics and enjoy some music, man, cause they want to take enjoyment of music away from us. it's so close to the joy and happiness they seek to neutralize like a grinchmob.


Don't get me wrong, I love their music. I can separate that from what I'm talking about here with no problem. I realize that the Beatles or other bands weren't the root problem, but if you're researching THE CONSPIRACY, you have to include all aspects of the culture, including the art and music. I just have questions, things I've stumbled upon. BTW, what's this about George and ISKCON?
 Quoting: ObeyTheOctopus


the Hare Krishnas, you know the people at airports in saffron robes and shaved heads passing out flowers.

well, ISKCON got really messed up in some ways if you care to read about it, it is kind of scary
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Thanks, Octo...interesting quote . . . actually I know someone who jumped out of a window on LSD, quite a cliche I know but true...he's been in a wheelchair since the mid-sixties, a very good musician though....
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Oh believe me, I know it's not just cliche. I almost did it myself whilst tripping, and I probably would have if somebody sober hadn't been there to stop me. It can happen.
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the Hare Krishnas, you know the people at airports in saffron robes and shaved heads passing out flowers.

well, ISKCON got really messed up in some ways if you care to read about it, it is kind of scary
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Yes, I'm aware of the Hare Krishas. I admit I don't know much about them and I certainly haven't heard of ISKCON. Sounds pretty ominous. If you have any articles or books, I'd be interested to read about it.

While we're on the subject, I'd like to recommend the book Acid Dreams, by Martin A. Lee and Bruce Shalin. An eye-opening overview of the social history of LSD and all well-documented.
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Are you kidding?

try every parent of a teenage girl, every pastor, priest, minister, social leader, just about everyone except teenage girls and those who wanted to impress teen age girls.

We had a hate the beatles group back then, a lot of people knew that there was something very wrong with what was going on and they turned out to be right.


You said "wise" people, not random parents and clergy who may have had personal reasons or belief systems for disliking the Beatles . . . .


don't think that there weren't a lot of wise people back then as parents and clergy because there were. There were also social commentators, editorialists, etc. People in general were much wiser back then, they hadn't been dumbed down yet, remember this was just when the wave the beatles represented was beginning, it's been 40 years since then of decay.
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As I recall most of those that objected to the Beatles were sexually repressed parents and/or religious fanatics...
I was in high school when the Beatles starting making real music, late '65 ...
whoever wrote their songs were pure musical geniuses . . . whether there was an alternative agenda contained in the lyrics and/or melodies or in how they were presented, I'm curious about ....
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Thanks, Octo...interesting quote . . . actually I know someone who jumped out of a window on LSD, quite a cliche I know but true...he's been in a wheelchair since the mid-sixties, a very good musician though....


Oh believe me, I know it's not just cliche. I almost did it myself whilst tripping, and I probably would have if somebody sober hadn't been there to stop me. It can happen.
 Quoting: ObeyTheOctopus

Yikes . . . I never got that high . . . I have to say I do appreciate LSD in retrospect...it gave me a sense of how fluid reality is . . . as Lennon suggested, the LSD knife might have cut both ways....
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As I recall most of those that objected to the Beatles were sexually repressed parents and/or religious fanatics...
I was in high school when the Beatles starting making real music, late '65 ...
whoever wrote their songs were pure musical geniuses . . . whether there was an alternative agenda contained in the lyrics and/or melodies or in how they were presented, I'm curious about ....
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fanatics/repressed . . . that's what we were told isn't it, but in hindsight that's total BS. we were told that so as to cause a split between the generations which is really a great evil, viewing our parents and grandparents as repressed fanatics because the disapproved of the beatles. don't you think they were more aware than that, and knew that the beatles were up to no good, look what they ushered in, drugs, immorality, decadence of very kind, you think that people who saw this were only 'fanatics' . . . no, that is the BS they used, an advertising ploy.

there was a vast marketing campaign behind the beatles, in many ways for many reasons, it was the turning point in history, ushering in the present times.

and the Beach Boys were musically superior, there was a machine behind the beatles
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Rosswave, back to the Leary-CIA connection, I just came across this:

In an interview for High Times magazine in February 1978, Leary said:

“If you look back, many things that we thought were accidents turned out were not accidents. The entire LSD movement itself was sponsored originally by the CIA, to whom I give great credit. I would not be here today if it had not been for the foresight and prestige of the CIA psychologists, so give the CIA credit for being truly an intelligence agency. ”

Mind control researcher Walter Bowart interviewed Leary in the 1970s, and the acid guru had some interesting things to say about his association with the CIA. Asked, “Do you think CIA people were involved in your group in the sixties?” Leary responded, “Of course they were. I would say that eighty percent of my movements, eighty percent of the decisions I made were suggested to me by CIA people… I like the CIA! The game they’re playing is better than the FBI. Better than the Saigon police. Better than Franco’s police. Better than the Israeli police. They’re a thousand times better than the KGB. So it comes down to: who are you going to work for? The Yankees or the Dodgers?”
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I remember hearing this from somewhere. I think this is about all Leary has ever said about the CIA and LSD.
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Hare Krishna Hare Krishna
Krishna Krishna Hare Hare
Hare Rama Hare Rama
Rama Rama Hare Hare
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Yikes . . . I never got that high . . . I have to say I do appreciate LSD in retrospect...it gave me a sense of how fluid reality is . . . as Lennon suggested, the LSD knife might have cut both ways....
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I agree with that. Outside of that one bad experience, LSD has been a positive influence on my life and a key to unlocking habitual/self-destructive thinking. Although, I do compare it to playing with Prometheus' fire, if you take too much or are in an unsafe or uncomfortable place, it can definitely take you to Hell.
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ISKCON
International Society for Krishna Consciousness

What a story that is, but some of it is very dark and i don't recommend getting into the story.

Can you imagine trying to be a Hare Krishna at an airport today.

It used to be amazing to go to an airport and see them dancing with cymbols and passing out flowers, kind of miss those days when one could do that!
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As I recall most of those that objected to the Beatles were sexually repressed parents and/or religious fanatics...
I was in high school when the Beatles starting making real music, late '65 ...
whoever wrote their songs were pure musical geniuses . . . whether there was an alternative agenda contained in the lyrics and/or melodies or in how they were presented, I'm curious about ....


fanatics/repressed . . . that's what we were told isn't it, but in hindsight that's total BS. we were told that so as to cause a split between the generations which is really a great evil, viewing our parents and grandparents as repressed fanatics because the disapproved of the beatles. don't you think they were more aware than that, and knew that the beatles were up to no good, look what they ushered in, drugs, immorality, decadence of very kind, you think that people who saw this were only 'fanatics' . . . no, that is the BS they used, an advertising ploy.

there was a vast marketing campaign behind the beatles, in many ways for many reasons, it was the turning point in history, ushering in the present times.

and the Beach Boys were musically superior, there was a machine behind the beatles
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I take your points but I think both can be true . . . certainly it appears that perhaps TPTB took advantage of and helped create the schism . . . the breaking down of families as we see so evident today is certainly to their advantage in terms of control.

I wouldn't agree that the Beatles music was inferior to the Beach Boys.
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