Ex-CIA & Marine Intel Officer: 9/11 was an inside job | |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 158142 United Kingdom 10/24/2006 12:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | When that amount of experience and knowledge (and cunning) say its an inside job, then i'm gonna believe them a hell of a lot more than some stooge in the white house. The white house has every thing to lose if the truth comes out, and every thing to gain by keeping it hidden. These guys i bet die one by one in 'natural' circumstances very, very soon - hope not, bit it is the goverment way to get rid of whistle blowers and doubters to the cause. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 158110 United Kingdom 10/24/2006 12:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | When that amount of experience and knowledge (and cunning) say its an inside job, then i'm gonna believe them a hell of a lot more than some stooge in the white house. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 158142The white house has every thing to lose if the truth comes out, and every thing to gain by keeping it hidden. These guys i bet die one by one in 'natural' circumstances very, very soon - hope not, bit it is the goverment way to get rid of whistle blowers and doubters to the cause. I bet there are some high up in the 9/11 truth movement who check their doors a bit more carefully before they go to bed. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 158110 United Kingdom 10/24/2006 01:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | what is there left to say? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1561079/11 has become something like the holocaust. Passionate on both sides, but no one will ever know for sure. How can you be sure no will ever know for sure? Not part of the cover-up, are you? |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 158161 United Kingdom 10/24/2006 01:45 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yeah and i know a fair few Int / SF people who have worked with the upper tier of the spook community. If they told me some thing, i would look at it myself, but not dismiss their testimony easily because they are hard men doing a dirty job. But think David Kelly - That was a done job, even surgeons say it was a done job - yet the powers that be walked away laughing. Then think microbiologists dying in locked freezers with the lock on the outside, and those with three bullet wounds to the head and face in a suicide case.... Think dirty, because those in power run classes on it. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 132203 United States 10/24/2006 02:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | weird isn't it? I wonder who is behind this campaign of disinformation? Must be someone with a great deal of money. CIA and Marines are only to be trusted when they support your delusions. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77197The rest of the time, they are Zionist pawns!!! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 851 United States 10/24/2006 02:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | coup d'é·tat (kū' dā-tä') n., pl. coups d'état (kū') or coup d'états (dā-täz'). The sudden overthrow of a government by a usually small group of persons in or previously in positions of authority. So Dick Cheney, Karl Rove and others of a neo-conservative neo-Nazi coup d’etat overthrew themselves? |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 158110 United Kingdom 10/24/2006 02:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | coup d'é·tat (kū' dā-tä') Quoting: Anonymous Coward 851n., pl. coups d'état (kū') or coup d'états (dā-täz'). The sudden overthrow of a government by a usually small group of persons in or previously in positions of authority. So Dick Cheney, Karl Rove and others of a neo-conservative neo-Nazi coup d’etat overthrew themselves? No. Just everyone else in the administration that were not part of the plot. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 158110 United Kingdom 10/24/2006 03:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | think Mossad.. this was THE most brazin attack in the history of Mossad Quoting: Anonymous Coward 158166Terrorists state (Israel), since 1948 Almost every evidence poiting at ISI. They build Al Queda for the neo-cons, they pulled the string. ISI was certainly in on it. The head of ISI ordered $100,000 to be paid to Mohamed Atta shortly before 9/11. ISI was paying for the patsies coke and lifestyle whilst they pretended to take flying lessons in Florida. They never knew they were being set up. But who works closely with ISI? CIA. And who are the foot soldiers in black ops? Mossad. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 138655 United States 10/24/2006 03:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | DOes everyone realize that a Mossad spy ring was arrested and deported immediately after 9/11? Fox says it wasn't connected with 9/11 but we all know thats bullshit. 9/11 was an inside job and how sad that fact is. And on top of that but Marvin Bush was head of security and the weekend before there was a complete powerdown so those Mossad baby killers could do their work. Funny how M. Bush's contract was up by 9/11. Just another coincidence I suppose eh? I'm with the police/homicide investigators who say they don't believe in coincidences. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 158110 United Kingdom 10/24/2006 03:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Was it an ‘intelligence failure’ to give red carpet treatment to the ‘money man’ behind the 9-11 terrorists, or was it simply ‘routine’? On the morning of September 11, Pakistan's Chief Spy General Mahmoud Ahmad, the alleged "money-man" behind the 9-11 hijackers, was at a breakfast meeting on Capitol Hill hosted by Senator Bob Graham and Rep. Porter Goss, the chairmen of the Senate and House Intelligence committees. "When the news [of the attacks on the World Trade Center] came, the two Florida lawmakers who lead the House and Senate intelligence committees were having breakfast with the head of the Pakistani intelligence service. Rep. Porter Goss, R-Sanibel, Sen. Bob Graham and other members of the House Intelligence Committee were talking about terrorism issues with the Pakistani official when a member of Goss' staff handed a note to Goss, who handed it to Graham. "We were talking about terrorism, specifically terrorism generated from Afghanistan," Graham said. (...) Mahmoud Ahmad, director general of Pakistan's intelligence service, was "very empathetic, sympathetic to the people of the United States," Graham said. [link to globalresearch.ca] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 158110 United Kingdom 10/24/2006 03:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | As I reported in the summer of 2003, US and British newspapers briefly alleged that the paymaster for the 9/11 attacks was a well-known agent of the Pakistani intelligence service ISI, Mohammed Sheikh Saeed. There was even a brief period in which it was alleged that the money had been paid at the direction of the then ISI Chief, General Mahmoud Ahmad.[1] The London Guardian reported on October 1, 2001, that US investigators believe they have found the "smoking gun" linking Osama bin Laden to the September 11 terrorist attacks, ... The man at the centre of the financial web is believed to be Sheikh Saeed, also known as Mustafa Mohamed Ahmad, who worked as a financial manager for Bin Laden when the Saudi exile was based in Sudan, and is still a trusted paymaster in Bin Laden's al-Qaida organisation.[2] This story was corroborated by CNN on October 6, citing a "a senior-level U.S. government source" who noted that "Sheik Syed" had been liberated from an Indian prison as a result of an airplane hijacking in December 1999. The man liberated in this way was Mohammed Omar Saeed Sheikh, a notorious kidnapper raised in England, and widely reported as a probable agent of ISI, the Pakistani military intelligence service.[3] One newspaper, the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review, suggested he may even have been a double agent, recruited inside al-Qaeda and ISI by the CIA.[4] Subsequent newspaper stories reported on the undisputed relationship of Saeed to ISI, to FBI claims that he wired $100,000 to Atta's bank account,[5] to a CNN report that these funds came from Pakistan,[6] and the uncontested statement that "Mustafa Ahmed," having concluded his 9/11 financial business in Dubai, flew on September 11 to Pakistan.[7] These alarming charges are ignored in the Report. The Appendices note, in a list of names, a "Sheikh Saeed al Masri" as an "Egyptian; head of al Qaeda finance committee."[8] But the only reference to any Sheikh Saeed in the text says that Sheikh Saeed al Masri "argued that al Qaeda should defer to the Taliban's wishes" and not attack the United States directly.[9] Instead, following a previous reversal in the US media, the financial role attributed earlier to Sheikh Saeed is now given to "Mustafa al Hawsawi," the name (or pseudonym) used for the financial transactions. The Report treats Shaikh Saeed and al-Hawsawi as two people, whereas earlier they had been identified as the same.[10] (Update, 10/16/04)The arrest of al-Hawsawi was reported in March 2003 in Rawalpindi, along with Khalid Shaikh Mohammed. However (as I wrote in Critical Asia Studies, the official report contained so many problems and contradictions that a Guardian reporter commented, "The story appears to be almost entirely fictional" (Guardian, 3/6/03) Problems with the story were summarized by Paul Thompson at www.cooperativeresearch.org In an even more bizarre development, www.terrorismcentral.com reported in its Newsletter of 3/30/03 that "Mustafa al-Hisawai is on bail in Pakistan and will face charges with financing of al Qaida. He was arrested with al Qaeda leader Khalid Sheikh Mohammed." Al-Hawsawi alias al-Hisawai is supposedly an Arab born in Jeddah, not a Pakistani. Whay was the man once considered the "smoking gun" in the al Qaeda/ 9/11 case granted bail, when even minor foot-soldiers in al Qaeda have been whisked immediately to Guantanamo? The man he was arrested with, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, has talked liberally to the FBI. As noted in an important article by the Indian intelligence analyst B. Raman, KSM's testimony has provided much of the information in a 9/11 Commission Staff Statement No. 16 on the final planning and politics of the al-Qaeda 9/11 plot. The question arises: Was there something al-Hawsawi could have added to this story whicch neither ISI nor Washington wanted the FBI to learn? [1] Peter Dale Scott, "The CIA's Secret Powers: Afghanistan, 9/11, and America's Most Dangerous Enemy." Critical Asian Studies, 35:2 (2003), 233-258. [2] Cf. Griffin, 109-10. The investigators were later identified as the FBI (Wall Street Journal, 10/10/01, CNN, 10/28/01, Times [London], 11/16/01). [3] E.g. Newsweek, 3/13/02: US officials suspect "that Sheikh has been a `protected asset,' of Pakistan's shadowy spy service, the Inter-Services Intelligence, or ISI." The story was enhanced by Indian intelligence sources with a more sensational claim: that Saeed Sheikh had wired the money to Atta at the direction of Lieutenant-General Mahmoud Ahmad, the director of the Pakistani Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) at the time (Wall Street Journal, 10/10/01). Indian sources later downplayed this anti-Pakistani allegation by suggesting that the money came instead from a ransom paid through a `hawala' channel to another terrorist, Aftab Ansari in Dubai, when the Kolkata businessman was kidnapped in July 2001 (The Hindu, 2/13/02). [4] Pittsburgh Tribune-Review, 3/3/02: "There are many in Musharraf's government who believe that Saeed Sheikh's power comes not from the ISI, but from his connections with our own CIA. The theory is that with such intense pressure to locate bin Laden, Saeed Sheikh was bought and paid for." The twisted story of Saeed Sheikh in the US press has been documented by Paul Thompson in his excellent time-line of 9/11 events: [link to www.cooperativeresearch.org] [5] London Sunday Times, 4/21.02; London Daily Telegraph, 7/16/02. [6] CNN, 10/1/01: "As much as $100,000 was wired in the past year from Pakistan to Mohamed Atta." Subsequent developments lent weight to the Pakistani connection, such as the arrest of Atta's alleged controls, Ramzi Binalshibh and Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, in Pakistan. [7] Newsday, 10/3/01: "Mustafa Ahmad… left the emirates for Pakistan on the day of the attacks." Cf. New York Times, 10/15/01: "A man thought to be one of the financial chiefs for Mr. bin Laden, Shaykh Said… flew to Karachi, Pakistan." [8] Report, 436. [9] Report, 251. [10] Cf. e.g. MSNBC, [link to www.msnbc.com] "Mustafa Ahmed al-Hasawi [sic] was named as a "supporting conspirator" in an Dec. 11 indictment of Zacarias Moussaoui, a French citizen of Moroccan descent who U.S. authorities say was "an active participant" in the Sept. 11 plot. The indictment alleged that al-Hasawi, a Saudi native, received more than $18,000 from three suspected hijackers in the days before the attack, then cleared out bank accounts he had control over in the United Arab Emirates and fled the country on Sept. 11. U.S. investigators suspect that al-Hasawi, whom the FBI originally identified as Mustafa Ahmed, was actually Shayk Saiid, a key figure in the financial side of Osama bin Laden's al-Qaida terror network. In documents sent to banks seeking to freeze terrorist assets, the government uses the names Ahmed and Saiid interchangeably." [link to socrates.berkeley.edu] |
know_one User ID: 152502 United States 10/24/2006 03:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | DOes everyone realize that a Mossad spy ring was arrested and deported immediately after 9/11? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 138655And on top of that but Marvin Bush was head of security and the weekend before there was a complete powerdown so those Mossad baby killers could do their work. bullshit, and more bullshit. . ^^**^^**^^**^^**^^**^^**^^**^^**^^**^^**^^**^^**^^** so many conflicting conspiracy theories, so little evidence of any. |
Unity User ID: 130291 United States 10/24/2006 03:33 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | what is there left to say? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1581109/11 has become something like the holocaust. Passionate on both sides, but no one will ever know for sure. How can you be sure no will ever know for sure? Not part of the cover-up, are you? The truth will be revealed in both cases. Be part of the uncovering. Research, probe, demand to know. And be part of it never happening again by being integral. Be Conscious Let Go Your Mind |
The Roman User ID: 156152 Italy 10/24/2006 03:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | DOes everyone realize that a Mossad spy ring was arrested and deported immediately after 9/11? Quoting: know_oneAnd on top of that but Marvin Bush was head of security and the weekend before there was a complete powerdown so those Mossad baby killers could do their work. bullshit, and more bullshit. Yeah I remember this very well, unlike know one that seem to know nothing. About the post and the CIA officer and why he goes public, you know...when they know that you know and when they know that you are not on their side...the better way to stay alive and to avoid a "suicide" is actually to go public and not the contraire. It's your little guarantee that if you get "suicided" someone will be able to follow the dots. Now we all know the US is led by a criminal gang is clear even to a two year old, but why do they still are in power then? and allowed to keep destroying the freedom the safety of the world and your constitution day after day?. What is required in the US to finally start an indictement and a process long deserved for Conspiration, War Crimes and Votes Fraud? If all this has been unable to do it I think is because you have crossed already the border of a democratic nation and already deep in a military dictatorship that still try to disguise waiting for some event to come fully in the ligt, then it will be really late. Just my 2 c- |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 158110 United Kingdom 10/24/2006 03:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | In his book The Big Wedding (VoxPop, New York, 2005), Sander Hicks develops a thesis, based on interviews with ex-intelligence operatives, many of whom were involved in, or in close proximity to "black ops," i.e., covert criminal operations carried out by government agents. Hicks' informants in The Big Wedding are a rogue's gallery that includes a diamond smuggler, pedophile, and Egyptian double agent. These unsavory characters provide Hicks with information that he weaves into a story where there are no boundaries between the Pakistani intelligence service (ISI), US intelligence, and Islamic fundamentalists, perhaps including those involved with the 9-11 attacks. Hicks bases many of his contentions on information that is common knowledge. The Big Wedding includes an interview with sleazy diamond merchant turned FBI informant Randy Glass, who says that, in June of 1999, he participated in a sting operation that involved meeting Pakistani arms dealer R.G. Abbas at the Tribeca Grill, a pricey New York restaurant owned by actor Robert De Niro, a few blocks from the World Trade Center. According to Glass, also at this meeting was Diaa Mohsen, an Egyptian arms dealer who had introduced Glass to a number of key terror figures who Mohsen knew on a business level. Subjects discussed at the Tribeca meeting included sales of anti-aircraft missiles and heavy water which Pakistani nuclear weapons researchers wanted in order to manufacture plutonium. However, at a certain point in the conversation, Glass says, Abbas pointed to the Twin Towers and told him: "Those towers are coming down." Glass states that he tried desperately to inform his FBI handlers and later, Senator Bob Graham, about the plot he had gotten wind of, but the information was ignored, if not actively suppressed. The sting operation, called Operation Diamondback, concluded in June 2001, with Mohsen and a few others convicted on several counts of money laundering and violation of arms export laws. Mohsen was sentenced to only 30 months, though he violated Federal anti-terrorism laws and should have received a much stiffer penalty. Abbas was an arms dealer who worked for ISI. Google his name and you will find it said that he worked for ISI. ISI was involved in financing the patsies who would be blamed for bringing down WTC1 & 2. The CIA kept tabs on al-Qaeda (which they had earlier created from people who had fought the Russians in Afghanistan) by using people posing as trainee terrorists who were in fact provided by ISI. They pretended to be terroists but were really double-agents working for ISI and the CIA. They came in very handy when 9/11 was planned..... Think "Double-cross" |
Onesmartrat User ID: 158193 United States 10/24/2006 04:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This is disinformation. It was the Israeli Mossad and their fifth columinists within this country, working with American traitors loyal to the Zionists cause, including elements within ther C.I.A. (which they have thouroughly infiltrated) that pulled off 911. -OSR "I should have been French." -OSR |