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Did peak oil go away?

 
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Did peak oil go away?
Jad Mouawad recently wrote in The New York Times, "Some analysts predict oil could fall to $30 to 40 a barrel as the world economy worsens." He goes on to cite the conservative Cambridge Energy Research Associates that estimate that "As much as 4 million barrels of future oil could be jeopardized if prices remain below $60 a barrel."

Quoting several energy executives, The Financial Times reported last month that "delays in developing projects in Russia, Angola, Nigeria, Australia and elsewhere mean there will not be enough oil available once the world economy is ready to get back on its feet."

What lends special significance to this development, however, is that it is part of a larger trend of underinvestment in the industry that predates the current drop in prices. Western oil companies have been decapitalizing in recent years, buying stock back and otherwise returning cash to shareholders, rather than exploring for large new fields that just aren't there.

[link to oilsandstruth.org]


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Re: Did peak oil go away?
Hysterical
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Re: Did peak oil go away?
The collapse of oil companies just started. Peak petro dollar bubble is something else.
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Re: Did peak oil go away?
Peak oil is real... but not quite in the sense that the peakists thought. We are not facing peak oil SUPPLY or theoretic availability -- i.e. "peak oil" in the sense of absolute geologic constraint -- but rather peak oil PRODUCTION for reasons other than geologic limitation. Long term, oil production is too damn expensive and with slowing economies it gets worse. Fortunately, developments in renewables over the last 5 years (crashing prices with no end in sight) bode very well for an energy transition away from dirty and too-costly fossil fuels without the peak oil doomsday scenarios.
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Re: Did peak oil go away?
It's been replaced by peak tranny, like when you realise they're not poor, excluded victims, they're aggressive psychos.
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Re: Did peak oil go away?
Peak oil is real... but not quite in the sense that the peakists thought. We are not facing peak oil SUPPLY or theoretic availability -- i.e. "peak oil" in the sense of absolute geologic constraint -- but rather peak oil PRODUCTION for reasons other than geologic limitation. Long term, oil production is too damn expensive and with slowing economies it gets worse. Fortunately, developments in renewables over the last 5 years (crashing prices with no end in sight) bode very well for an energy transition away from dirty and too-costly fossil fuels without the peak oil doomsday scenarios.
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Peak oil is not real, we've been lied to by the gas industry in order to increase their profits.

Peak Oil Myth: Debunking The Peak Oil Theory

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Re: Did peak oil go away?
No such thing,
and never was,
just like
Global Warming.

ALL BULLSHIT
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Re: Did peak oil go away?
Yes, but people still made a lot of money off of "peak oil" books and hysteria.
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Re: Did peak oil go away?
No such thing,
and never was,
just like
Global Warming.

ALL BULLSHIT

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Yup all part of a war on Capitalism.
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Re: Did peak oil go away?
The Saudi Royal family has big bills and they have to be paid today not tomorrow. They will hang on to their regime for as long as they can – to the last second and the last barrel. You better believe it.
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It was a hoax. One of many, let this be a lesson for you. Where as the world get hotter and hotter. Global Warming is an anti-hoax.
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Re: Did peak oil go away?
Jad Mouawad recently wrote in The New York Times, "Some analysts predict oil could fall to $30 to 40 a barrel as the world economy worsens." He goes on to cite the conservative Cambridge Energy Research Associates that estimate that "As much as 4 million barrels of future oil could be jeopardized if prices remain below $60 a barrel."
Quoting several energy executives, The Financial Times reported last month that "delays in developing projects in Russia, Angola, Nigeria, Australia and elsewhere mean there will not be enough oil available once the world economy is ready to get back on its feet."

What lends special significance to this development, however, is that it is part of a larger trend of underinvestment in the industry that predates the current drop in prices. Western oil companies have been decapitalizing in recent years, buying stock back and otherwise returning cash to shareholders, rather than exploring for large new fields that just aren't there.

[link to oilsandstruth.org]


discussion please

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 Quoting: Limpan 64608935


The drop in oil prices means that the Oil industry is insolvent. Consumers cannot longer support the price required by the industry to extract, transport and distribute the oil. Why? Because we have depleted the most valuable oil resources. All that is left is the "scum". And the scum cannot power our society (net energy gains are becoming less and less... the oil industry requires more energy, so less is passed to the end-consumer), the scum is worthless. Prices will never recover. The Oil industry will crash along with the rest of the economy.

Some people predicted this outcome several years ago. No one listened to them. I hope this time you do.

[link to www.economic-undertow.com]
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Re: Did peak oil go away?
this is to hide peak oil being full swing

just wait a little while
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Re: Did peak oil go away?
People who say it's 'not real' clearly don't understand the basic tenet of peak oil - that annual oil production must eventually rise to a peak and then decline. Presumably they believe oil production will keep rising every year to infinity?

Now, the actual timing of the peak, and the reason for the peak (whether geological constraints, or financial, or geopolitical) -- and its ramifications -- are certainly up for debate, and always have been. Certainly many people have been wrong thus far in their estimations.
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Re: Did peak oil go away?
It peaked in 2005. It's playing out pretty much exactly as predicted. Just because it's cheap doesn't mean anything. Even though the daily production totals look like they are higher, it doesn't take into account how much more energy we have to spend to get it.
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Re: Did peak oil go away?
this is to hide peak oil being full swing

just wait a little while
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Long term Peak Oil advocate Ron Patterson (Darwinian from the old Oil Drum)

All Roads Lead To Peak Oil

[link to peakoilbarrel.com]
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Re: Did peak oil go away?
Peak oil was predicated on the model of "easily extracted reserves", known reserves to be precise.

With the advances in technology and the ability to quite easily extract shale reserves and tar sands, the old peak oil model is obsolete.

So in short, forget about peak oil, that's way off into the future, perhaps hundreds of years away.
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Re: Did peak oil go away?
Peak oil was predicated on the model of "easily extracted reserves", known reserves to be precise.

With the advances in technology and the ability to quite easily extract shale reserves and tar sands, the old peak oil model is obsolete.

So in short, forget about peak oil, that's way off into the future, perhaps hundreds of years away.
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I worked in the Oil Fields of the Gulf Of Mexico. Will be dead and gone before that happens.
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Re: Did peak oil go away?
It is interesting to note that the attempt to beat the US all time previous production of crude+condensate has failed. At least this cycle.

[link to www.eia.gov]


The all time monthly peak US Crude production peak remains November 1970. 1970 remains the all time annual production peak. [link to www.eia.gov]
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Re: Did peak oil go away?
Horizontal drilling has moved the date for peak oil. Peak conventional oil is way past.

New drilling methods are more expensive. I don't believe oil will stay this cheap for long. These new wells have a short life span, new ones must be drilled constantly.
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Re: Did peak oil go away?
One word. A_B_I_O_T_I_C


Look it up.
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Re: Did peak oil go away?
The lie didn't work.
They're creating a new 'boogey man' to get your pesos.
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One word. A_B_I_O_T_I_C


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You forgot to mention the earth is flat, rockets don't work in space and nuclear weapons are a hoax.
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Re: Did peak oil go away?
It peaked in 2005. It's playing out pretty much exactly as predicted. Just because it's cheap doesn't mean anything. Even though the daily production totals look like they are higher, it doesn't take into account how much more energy we have to spend to get it.
 Quoting: Oilhaspeaked 35827096


Correct. It's cheap now because there's a glut. There's a glut because demand has crashed. Demand has crashed because the economy exploded in the face of the stratospheric oil prices that happened around the time conventional oil peaked.

Peak oil was predicated on the model of "easily extracted reserves", known reserves to be precise.

With the advances in technology and the ability to quite easily extract shale reserves and tar sands, the old peak oil model is obsolete.

So in short, forget about peak oil, that's way off into the future, perhaps hundreds of years away.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 69870392


Shale isn't easily extracted. It takes massive resources and the EROEI is minimal compared to conventional oil. Production also drops of a cliff after a couple of years and wells need to be continually re-fracked. Shale is a fad and will hopefully go away soon enough.

Peak oil is here and so is catastrophic climate change. We need to learn to move to a low carbon future thirty years ago.
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Re: Did peak oil go away?
Fracking made the original lie impossible to believe.
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Re: Did peak oil go away?
It peaked in 2005. It's playing out pretty much exactly as predicted. Just because it's cheap doesn't mean anything. Even though the daily production totals look like they are higher, it doesn't take into account how much more energy we have to spend to get it.
 Quoting: Oilhaspeaked 35827096


Correct. It's cheap now because there's a glut. There's a glut because demand has crashed. Demand has crashed because the economy exploded in the face of the stratospheric oil prices that happened around the time conventional oil peaked.

Peak oil was predicated on the model of "easily extracted reserves", known reserves to be precise.

With the advances in technology and the ability to quite easily extract shale reserves and tar sands, the old peak oil model is obsolete.

So in short, forget about peak oil, that's way off into the future, perhaps hundreds of years away.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 69870392


Shale isn't easily extracted. It takes massive resources and the EROEI is minimal compared to conventional oil. Production also drops of a cliff after a couple of years and wells need to be continually re-fracked. Shale is a fad and will hopefully go away soon enough.

Peak oil is here and so is catastrophic climate change. We need to learn to move to a low carbon future thirty years ago.
 Quoting: Bluefool 55542147


FWIW an executive of a plant that makes fracking fluid
told me that he thought it would last at least 50 years.

many, in the business claim 100 years.
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Re: Did peak oil go away?
It peaked in 2005. It's playing out pretty much exactly as predicted. Just because it's cheap doesn't mean anything. Even though the daily production totals look like they are higher, it doesn't take into account how much more energy we have to spend to get it.
 Quoting: Oilhaspeaked 35827096


Correct. It's cheap now because there's a glut. There's a glut because demand has crashed. Demand has crashed because the economy exploded in the face of the stratospheric oil prices that happened around the time conventional oil peaked.

Peak oil was predicated on the model of "easily extracted reserves", known reserves to be precise.

With the advances in technology and the ability to quite easily extract shale reserves and tar sands, the old peak oil model is obsolete.

So in short, forget about peak oil, that's way off into the future, perhaps hundreds of years away.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 69870392


Shale isn't easily extracted. It takes massive resources and the EROEI is minimal compared to conventional oil. Production also drops of a cliff after a couple of years and wells need to be continually re-fracked. Shale is a fad and will hopefully go away soon enough.

Peak oil is here and so is catastrophic climate change. We need to learn to move to a low carbon future thirty years ago.
 Quoting: Bluefool 55542147


FWIW an executive of a plant that makes fracking fluid
told me that he thought it would last at least 50 years.

many, in the business claim 100 years.
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Were tears running down his face as he watches all his sales disappear?
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Re: Did peak oil go away?
Jad Mouawad recently wrote in The New York Times, "Some analysts predict oil could fall to $30 to 40 a barrel as the world economy worsens." He goes on to cite the conservative Cambridge Energy Research Associates that estimate that "As much as 4 million barrels of future oil could be jeopardized if prices remain below $60 a barrel."

Quoting several energy executives, The Financial Times reported last month that "delays in developing projects in Russia, Angola, Nigeria, Australia and elsewhere mean there will not be enough oil available once the world economy is ready to get back on its feet."

What lends special significance to this development, however, is that it is part of a larger trend of underinvestment in the industry that predates the current drop in prices. Western oil companies have been decapitalizing in recent years, buying stock back and otherwise returning cash to shareholders, rather than exploring for large new fields that just aren't there.

[link to oilsandstruth.org]


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No...the obvious answer should be obvious. The population shrank...a lot.
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One word. A_B_I_O_T_I_C


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Correct, oil is a renewable resource. I worked in the natural gas and propane industry for many years and came to the same conclusion, after much investigation.

Abiotic Oil

What would happen if it were proven that "fossil fuels" weren't the result of decaying plant and animal matter, were actually created within the Earth due to simple chemistry and you could not be scared into believing that we were "running out" of oil and natural gas?

There have always been those who claim that oil is a natural substance that forms automatically in the Earth's mantle. They say that it is virtually everywhere, if you can drill deep enough to tap it. 50%<

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One word. A_B_I_O_T_I_C


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Correct, oil is a renewable resource. I worked in the natural gas and propane industry for many years and came to the same conclusion, after much investigation.

Abiotic Oil

What would happen if it were proven that "fossil fuels" weren't the result of decaying plant and animal matter, were actually created within the Earth due to simple chemistry and you could not be scared into believing that we were "running out" of oil and natural gas?

There have always been those who claim that oil is a natural substance that forms automatically in the Earth's mantle. They say that it is virtually everywhere, if you can drill deep enough to tap it. 50%<

[link to viewzone.com]


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 Quoting: Terrebonne


Either way, there should be a peak in production because there isn't any more to extract. (FWIW, I don't buy the abiotic oil theory) But if it is more fact than fiction, at some point, it becomes unextractable. There will be a point at which one can drill no further due to mechanical constraints of weight, pressure, and temperature.

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