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UPDATE: SUSIE HAMMOND: "We didn't think it could happen. We thought we lived in America-one trial-one sentencing." Double jeopardy!!!

 
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I just finished listening to today's show ... live from Burns ... and a lot of their research into the county - historically and recently - has revealed that illegal activities by local, county and state, administration is blatently ILLEGAL - and they took the precaution to secure this "official" documentation, of their activities, OFF SHORE, to make sure that it is not "disappeared" ... the things that they are exposing, should put the Judge, the state govenor and several other people IN JAIL ... and free the Hammonds - IMMEDIATELY ... I said SHOULD

I don't know if it will or not , it appears that the FBI - full of confidence because NO ONE IS SHOWING UP IN SUPPORT of the Constitutionalist (for what ever reason) to serve as a buffer - leaving the FBI free to do whatever they please - legal or not.

It is up to the people of Burns and the county to take matters into their own hands ... because they plan on doing something SOON, to stop the exposure - and the land grab

don't tell me, that you are a "Patriot" or even a good citizen, if you are not there .... or haven't contributed something to the cause

go look into the mirror, and ask yourself, why you are NOT an activist - KNOWING what they are doing, WILL absolutly effect YOU and your family in the very near future, if YOU don't do something NOW to stop it

as the 1st revolution revealed - it only takes 3% of the population to be active ... and personally, IMO the rest of you don't deserve to live here
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I love a good old American rebellion. Rock on gentlemen
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That "militia" is nothing more than a bunch of brain-damaged fools trying to burn, destroy, and abuse land they had no right to in the first place. They are complete assholes. They also would have been dead a long time ago, with deputies gloating if they were any other race/religion/gender/political profile. SORRY, their gambit is not political, its about the evolutionary shift in which one part of the planet is going into extinction and the other will rule. The Bundy's are the last, sad remnants of a failed genetic strain.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10363719

I kind of felt something like that before, but the more I find out the more I'm divided on this. Armed take over was too much, afraid of the precedence that sets, we all know their are lots of wrongs out there and scary thinking about who or what will be the next one..Also it was a jury trial and should not overturn it with Guns. NO WAY!!But also think it was too much time? Also know there are many in prison that got way too much time for their crime also. so just hope no one gets hurt in this. In the 60s 70s the country was changed because most of us got out there and peaceful protest did it. I really think that is the only way. so far in Oregon it seems like only far right people? That is why I say get all the rest and then that would usher in a real change for all US, that is needed I think...
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Peaceful protests never do anything by themselves.
Look at the Occupy movement.
Unless you have power at the Ballot box or in the Media, you don't stand a chance of making peaceful change. We lost those years ago.
So what is left? Not much.
The implied threat of violence, if the wrongs are not addressed is what is being tried here. Which is what Gandhi successfully used on the British,
Which is probably the last hope of peaceful change and the redress of grievances, as guaranteed by the Constitution.

Now if the Government responds with violence, rather than addressing the issues, then that changes the game, from here on out. So the Ball is in their court.
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I just finished listening to today's show ... live from Burns ... and a lot of their research into the county - historically and recently - has revealed that illegal activities by local, county and state, administration is blatently ILLEGAL - and they took the precaution to secure this "official" documentation, of their activities, OFF SHORE, to make sure that it is not "disappeared" ... the things that they are exposing, should put the Judge, the state govenor and several other people IN JAIL ... and free the Hammonds - IMMEDIATELY ... I said SHOULD

I don't know if it will or not , it appears that the FBI - full of confidence because NO ONE IS SHOWING UP IN SUPPORT of the Constitutionalist (for what ever reason) to serve as a buffer - leaving the FBI free to do whatever they please - legal or not.

It is up to the people of Burns and the county to take matters into their own hands ... because they plan on doing something SOON, to stop the exposure - and the land grab

don't tell me, that you are a "Patriot" or even a good citizen, if you are not there .... or haven't contributed something to the cause

go look into the mirror, and ask yourself, why you are NOT an activist - KNOWING what they are doing, WILL absolutly effect YOU and your family in the very near future, if YOU don't do something NOW to stop it

as the 1st revolution revealed - it only takes 3% of the population to be active ... and personally, IMO the rest of you don't deserve to live here
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Oath keeper are there, I really don't think anything will happen with them there first of all..
The best way to protect the info is a information dump on the internet then it will always be here.
I would like to read it, is it out anywhere yet?
I don't see them keeping any illegal info there so would like to read it, as they might just be misunderstanding what they are reading??
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That "militia" is nothing more than a bunch of brain-damaged fools trying to burn, destroy, and abuse land they had no right to in the first place. They are complete assholes. They also would have been dead a long time ago, with deputies gloating if they were any other race/religion/gender/political profile. SORRY, their gambit is not political, its about the evolutionary shift in which one part of the planet is going into extinction and the other will rule. The Bundy's are the last, sad remnants of a failed genetic strain.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10363719

I kind of felt something like that before, but the more I find out the more I'm divided on this. Armed take over was too much, afraid of the precedence that sets, we all know their are lots of wrongs out there and scary thinking about who or what will be the next one..Also it was a jury trial and should not overturn it with Guns. NO WAY!!But also think it was too much time? Also know there are many in prison that got way too much time for their crime also. so just hope no one gets hurt in this. In the 60s 70s the country was changed because most of us got out there and peaceful protest did it. I really think that is the only way. so far in Oregon it seems like only far right people? That is why I say get all the rest and then that would usher in a real change for all US, that is needed I think...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71296476

Peaceful protests never do anything by themselves.
Look at the Occupy movement.
Unless you have power at the Ballot box or in the Media, you don't stand a chance of making peaceful change. We lost those years ago.
So what is left? Not much.
The implied threat of violence, if the wrongs are not addressed is what is being tried here. Which is what Gandhi successfully used on the British,
Which is probably the last hope of peaceful change and the redress of grievances, as guaranteed by the Constitution.

Now if the Government responds with violence, rather than addressing the issues, then that changes the game, from here on out. So the Ball is in their court.
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Occupy was mostly the far left. Get everyone together then USA changes. Can't do it with just one or the other.. seems like we should know that by now??
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more good info...


[link to www.youtube.com (secure)]

Heated Exchange Over Freeing the Hammonds / Ammon Bundy Oregon Standoff

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BREAKING: GOVERNOR TRIGGERS WACO FEARS OVER OBAMA LETTER FOR 'SWIFT' ACTION AGAINST BUNDY MILITIA

m'fking corrupt gov
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[link to www.newsjs.com]

BURNS — Members of the armed standoff at the Malheur National Wildlife refuge said Monday that they've recruited ranchers to stop paying the federal government for the right to run cattle on public land.

The occupation organizers are planning a "signing ceremony" Friday where ranchers will sign documents renouncing their obligation to pay fees tied to the federal grazing allotments, said spokesman LaVoy Finicum

Two ranchers – one from Oregon and one from New Mexico – have agreed to sign the papers and "I hope they bring a couple more in tow," Finicum said.

The documents will be sent to the U.S. solicitor general, he said.

"It's not about ranching," Finicum said. "It's about asking the federal government to return to the confines of the law and allow the states and the counties to be free to govern themselves."
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Yes, if you look at the town meeting they had the other day there in burns, a rancher got up and said mr. bundy wasn't excepted very well at the rancher meeting when he asked them all to not pay blm. So I guess they don't have much support with the ranchers there.
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Iam really getting worried.
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Tyranny runs amok in Burns thanks to the judge who thinks hes the sheriff...

check this out...


News release from Harney County regarding community meeting for January 25.

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to attend this 'public' meeting you need to have one of the 120 tickets available, must be a resident, no guns, now at the senior center... so says judge nasty grasty.


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[link to www.newsjs.com]

BURNS — Members of the armed standoff at the Malheur National Wildlife refuge said Monday that they've recruited ranchers to stop paying the federal government for the right to run cattle on public land.

The occupation organizers are planning a "signing ceremony" Friday where ranchers will sign documents renouncing their obligation to pay fees tied to the federal grazing allotments, said spokesman LaVoy Finicum

Two ranchers – one from Oregon and one from New Mexico – have agreed to sign the papers and "I hope they bring a couple more in tow," Finicum said.

The documents will be sent to the U.S. solicitor general, he said.

"It's not about ranching," Finicum said. "It's about asking the federal government to return to the confines of the law and allow the states and the counties to be free to govern themselves."
 Quoting: ^^MW^^


Yes, if you look at the town meeting they had the other day there in burns, a rancher got up and said mr. bundy wasn't excepted very well at the rancher meeting when he asked them all to not pay blm. So I guess they don't have much support with the ranchers there.
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Yet... With the new information about the corruption, which the leaked docs prove btw, I think there is going to be a ton more support than they ever imagined.
"The more you know, the crazier you look"
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Double post.

Last Edited by Esoterica on 01/23/2016 04:18 PM
"The more you know, the crazier you look"
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The fact that really supports them is the documents they have dug up.

But that same fact puts them at risk.

If the government decided to set the refuge on fire, it would be over unless they have transferred the information to someone on the outside.
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[link to www.youtube.com (secure)]

Heated Exchange Over Freeing the Hammonds / Ammon Bundy Oregon Standoff

[link to www.youtube.com (secure)]

BREAKING: GOVERNOR TRIGGERS WACO FEARS OVER OBAMA LETTER FOR 'SWIFT' ACTION AGAINST BUNDY MILITIA

m'fking corrupt gov
 Quoting: Hogwasher 70408109

When you watch the whole town meeting you get a much different feeling that your clip. The town would have booed Ammon if he would have got up and said anything. You can easily see that if you watch the whole thing here..Lots of twists of truth on both sides of this.
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[link to www.newsjs.com]

BURNS — Members of the armed standoff at the Malheur National Wildlife refuge said Monday that they've recruited ranchers to stop paying the federal government for the right to run cattle on public land.

The occupation organizers are planning a "signing ceremony" Friday where ranchers will sign documents renouncing their obligation to pay fees tied to the federal grazing allotments, said spokesman LaVoy Finicum

Two ranchers – one from Oregon and one from New Mexico – have agreed to sign the papers and "I hope they bring a couple more in tow," Finicum said.

The documents will be sent to the U.S. solicitor general, he said.

"It's not about ranching," Finicum said. "It's about asking the federal government to return to the confines of the law and allow the states and the counties to be free to govern themselves."
 Quoting: ^^MW^^


Yes, if you look at the town meeting they had the other day there in burns, a rancher got up and said mr. bundy wasn't excepted very well at the rancher meeting when he asked them all to not pay blm. So I guess they don't have much support with the ranchers there.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71296476


Yet... With the new information about the corruption, which the leaked docs prove btw, I think there is going to be a ton more support than they ever imagined.
 Quoting: Esoterica


I pray you are right.
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That "militia" is nothing more than a bunch of brain-damaged fools trying to burn, destroy, and abuse land they had no right to in the first place. They are complete assholes. They also would have been dead a long time ago, with deputies gloating if they were any other race/religion/gender/political profile. SORRY, their gambit is not political, its about the evolutionary shift in which one part of the planet is going into extinction and the other will rule. The Bundy's are the last, sad remnants of a failed genetic strain.
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Sure, until all of the documents are made public, then the BLM and Feds, like you, can proceed with shitting your pants and getting the hell out of our lives. Oh, and y'all better find a good hiding place while you are at it.

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Anonymous vet, thank you for serving. You learned about brotherhood in the military, serving with men and women of all religions and colors and classes and persuasions. Its why you can see as clearly as you do. Others think as you do.
 Quoting: Holly Merry


Nice of you to say that, and I guess that is where I worked with my first people of color. And I found I liked them a lot. Some bad some good but it seemed to me their were much more good than bad. Black lives matters is trying to fix things we all need fixed and I'm sure if a fix goes in it won't be for just blacks.. u know? Religions, yes they were all there but didn't meet a muslim until after I was out, and they seemed like a better person than me.. very nice people. and then women, well i got a boss women right here in the next chair and she's pretty ok too. this country needs a coming together, but it isn't going to be easy and going to take us all too give it a lot of effort. As we seem a long way from together....:(
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The problem with black lives matter movement is it is being funded by communists. Unfortunately, they do not want a coming together. They want to divide us further. Sorry to say it, but you can thank our president for that, the most divisive in history.
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[link to www.newsjs.com]

BURNS — Members of the armed standoff at the Malheur National Wildlife refuge said Monday that they've recruited ranchers to stop paying the federal government for the right to run cattle on public land.

The occupation organizers are planning a "signing ceremony" Friday where ranchers will sign documents renouncing their obligation to pay fees tied to the federal grazing allotments, said spokesman LaVoy Finicum

Two ranchers – one from Oregon and one from New Mexico – have agreed to sign the papers and "I hope they bring a couple more in tow," Finicum said.

The documents will be sent to the U.S. solicitor general, he said.

"It's not about ranching," Finicum said. "It's about asking the federal government to return to the confines of the law and allow the states and the counties to be free to govern themselves."
 Quoting: ^^MW^^


Yes, if you look at the town meeting they had the other day there in burns, a rancher got up and said mr. bundy wasn't excepted very well at the rancher meeting when he asked them all to not pay blm. So I guess they don't have much support with the ranchers there.
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Yet... With the new information about the corruption, which the leaked docs prove btw, I think there is going to be a ton more support than they ever imagined.
 Quoting: Esoterica

Well yes, maybe, they have been talking about them for a while now. I want to see the things, starting to make me wonder as not any of them posted yet and it about too long of a time gone by which usually means not real, the best way to save them for all and for ever is to just post them...
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That "militia" is nothing more than a bunch of brain-damaged fools trying to burn, destroy, and abuse land they had no right to in the first place. They are complete assholes. They also would have been dead a long time ago, with deputies gloating if they were any other race/religion/gender/political profile. SORRY, their gambit is not political, its about the evolutionary shift in which one part of the planet is going into extinction and the other will rule. The Bundy's are the last, sad remnants of a failed genetic strain.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10363719

I kind of felt something like that before, but the more I find out the more I'm divided on this. Armed take over was too much, afraid of the precedence that sets, we all know their are lots of wrongs out there and scary thinking about who or what will be the next one..Also it was a jury trial and should not overturn it with Guns. NO WAY!!But also think it was too much time? Also know there are many in prison that got way too much time for their crime also. so just hope no one gets hurt in this. In the 60s 70s the country was changed because most of us got out there and peaceful protest did it. I really think that is the only way. so far in Oregon it seems like only far right people? That is why I say get all the rest and then that would usher in a real change for all US, that is needed I think...
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No, the verdict needs to be overturned. These new leaked documents prove that. It is not too much, what else is a people supposed to do when the govt steals, refuses to listen and uses blackmail and extortion to acquire private property because of the ore under that property? This is the only thing they will listen to.
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Anonymous vet, thank you for serving. You learned about brotherhood in the military, serving with men and women of all religions and colors and classes and persuasions. Its why you can see as clearly as you do. Others think as you do.
 Quoting: Holly Merry


Nice of you to say that, and I guess that is where I worked with my first people of color. And I found I liked them a lot. Some bad some good but it seemed to me their were much more good than bad. Black lives matters is trying to fix things we all need fixed and I'm sure if a fix goes in it won't be for just blacks.. u know? Religions, yes they were all there but didn't meet a muslim until after I was out, and they seemed like a better person than me.. very nice people. and then women, well i got a boss women right here in the next chair and she's pretty ok too. this country needs a coming together, but it isn't going to be easy and going to take us all too give it a lot of effort. As we seem a long way from together....:(
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The problem with black lives matter movement is it is being funded by communists. Unfortunately, they do not want a coming together. They want to divide us further. Sorry to say it, but you can thank our president for that, the most divisive in history.
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communists? I don't agree, you got links?
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That "militia" is nothing more than a bunch of brain-damaged fools trying to burn, destroy, and abuse land they had no right to in the first place. They are complete assholes. They also would have been dead a long time ago, with deputies gloating if they were any other race/religion/gender/political profile. SORRY, their gambit is not political, its about the evolutionary shift in which one part of the planet is going into extinction and the other will rule. The Bundy's are the last, sad remnants of a failed genetic strain.
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Sure, until all of the documents are made public, then the BLM and Feds, like you, can proceed with shitting your pants and getting the hell out of our lives. Oh, and y'all better find a good hiding place while you are at it.

militia
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That "militia" is nothing more than a bunch of brain-damaged fools trying to burn, destroy, and abuse land they had no right to in the first place. They are complete assholes. They also would have been dead a long time ago, with deputies gloating if they were any other race/religion/gender/political profile. SORRY, their gambit is not political, its about the evolutionary shift in which one part of the planet is going into extinction and the other will rule. The Bundy's are the last, sad remnants of a failed genetic strain.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10363719

I kind of felt something like that before, but the more I find out the more I'm divided on this. Armed take over was too much, afraid of the precedence that sets, we all know their are lots of wrongs out there and scary thinking about who or what will be the next one..Also it was a jury trial and should not overturn it with Guns. NO WAY!!But also think it was too much time? Also know there are many in prison that got way too much time for their crime also. so just hope no one gets hurt in this. In the 60s 70s the country was changed because most of us got out there and peaceful protest did it. I really think that is the only way. so far in Oregon it seems like only far right people? That is why I say get all the rest and then that would usher in a real change for all US, that is needed I think...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71296476


No, the verdict needs to be overturned. These new leaked documents prove that. It is not too much, what else is a people supposed to do when the govt steals, refuses to listen and uses blackmail and extortion to acquire private property because of the ore under that property? This is the only thing they will listen to.
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so, u think jury trials need over turned if they give someone too much time and overturn it with guns and militia?? I guess I better go buy more guns??
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I just finished listening to today's show ... live from Burns ... and a lot of their research into the county - historically and recently - has revealed that illegal activities by local, county and state, administration is blatently ILLEGAL - and they took the precaution to secure this "official" documentation, of their activities, OFF SHORE, to make sure that it is not "disappeared" ... the things that they are exposing, should put the Judge, the state govenor and several other people IN JAIL ... and free the Hammonds - IMMEDIATELY ... I said SHOULD

I don't know if it will or not , it appears that the FBI - full of confidence because NO ONE IS SHOWING UP IN SUPPORT of the Constitutionalist (for what ever reason) to serve as a buffer - leaving the FBI free to do whatever they please - legal or not.

It is up to the people of Burns and the county to take matters into their own hands ... because they plan on doing something SOON, to stop the exposure - and the land grab

don't tell me, that you are a "Patriot" or even a good citizen, if you are not there .... or haven't contributed something to the cause

go look into the mirror, and ask yourself, why you are NOT an activist - KNOWING what they are doing, WILL absolutly effect YOU and your family in the very near future, if YOU don't do something NOW to stop it

as the 1st revolution revealed - it only takes 3% of the population to be active ... and personally, IMO the rest of you don't deserve to live here
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It was stated that there are 5,000 Militia ready to go to Oregon. They are at Ammons disposal. These from other Western states .... they all have been cheated by the gov.
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I thought it was comical, when Pete admitted - loudly and clearly that he was F.B.I. - which means to him (and everyone else) that he is FULL BLOODED ITALIAN - tounge


no doubt that sound bite will be edited - and broadcast by the enemies of freedom, so "heads up" when you hear it, because it will reveal the depths that people will stoop to, to dis-credit, Pete, Deb, and anyone they are associated with


I am very disappoint to hear that the next "town meeting" will not be held in the local school, but in a nursing home - that only has room for about a hundered of the thousands of people who live in that county .... it will NOT be open to the public, you must apply for a "Ticket" - produce ID that identifies you as a "local" and no doubt those people will be vetted, and only people who support the Judge will be allowed to attend - which will also exclude most media -
Pete suggests that NO ONE goes (to listen to more lies)




Ammond, personally, went to the Sheriff's office, to ascertain "who's in charge" and was finally told, it was the FEDs - the independent patriots (members of PPN) who risk their lives to protect him, have documented, that over two hundred cars, some filled, with people - have arrived in Bern,and are parked at their "staging area" at the airport resulting in heavily armed, and uniformed personal, milling about, all over the streets of Burns- from outside the county, there are to assist the FBI, pull another Waco/Ruby Ridge - probably this weekend, or after school, today.

The Ammonds tried to negotiate ... but the FBI refused to meet with them in public - or to be filmed or recorded ... they know that they have to end this public exposure of their illegal activities before, even more people are exposed.


the rumor that the hiway to the refuge was (road-blocked) could not be confirmed - by people on the scene - it is likely, that that is the first thing they will do, even though, the land is flat and treeless, and people don't need "roads" to get around.... they know they are being "survailed" by armed drones - The Bundys have promised, that they will not fire - unless fired upon - but they intend to stay there - for as long as it takes, to re-establish justice - and to free the Hammonds


how can you NOT support these men and women, who are standing up for YOU, and our Constitutional rights?
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I just finished listening to today's show ... live from Burns ... and a lot of their research into the county - historically and recently - has revealed that illegal activities by local, county and state, administration is blatently ILLEGAL - and they took the precaution to secure this "official" documentation, of their activities, OFF SHORE, to make sure that it is not "disappeared" ... the things that they are exposing, should put the Judge, the state govenor and several other people IN JAIL ... and free the Hammonds - IMMEDIATELY ... I said SHOULD

I don't know if it will or not , it appears that the FBI - full of confidence because NO ONE IS SHOWING UP IN SUPPORT of the Constitutionalist (for what ever reason) to serve as a buffer - leaving the FBI free to do whatever they please - legal or not.

It is up to the people of Burns and the county to take matters into their own hands ... because they plan on doing something SOON, to stop the exposure - and the land grab

don't tell me, that you are a "Patriot" or even a good citizen, if you are not there .... or haven't contributed something to the cause

go look into the mirror, and ask yourself, why you are NOT an activist - KNOWING what they are doing, WILL absolutly effect YOU and your family in the very near future, if YOU don't do something NOW to stop it

as the 1st revolution revealed - it only takes 3% of the population to be active ... and personally, IMO the rest of you don't deserve to live here
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It was stated that there are 5,000 Militia ready to go to Oregon. They are at Ammons disposal. These from other Western states .... they all have been cheated by the gov.
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What I have read on this, is they don't support what the Bundys are doing but don't want to see another waco. If you know different than that please include a link so I can see.
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Heated Exchange Over Freeing the Hammonds / Ammon Bundy Oregon Standoff

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BREAKING: GOVERNOR TRIGGERS WACO FEARS OVER OBAMA LETTER FOR 'SWIFT' ACTION AGAINST BUNDY MILITIA

m'fking corrupt gov
 Quoting: Hogwasher 70408109

When you watch the whole town meeting you get a much different feeling that your clip. The town would have booed Ammon if he would have got up and said anything. You can easily see that if you watch the whole thing here..Lots of twists of truth on both sides of this.
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The people have been put into positions that make them know they are in jeopardy if they say anything or do anything to join this movement. Why do you think they were so adamant to get Ammon and others out of the county. The Hammons Father was threatened to be moved to an undesirable prison if anyone put up a fuss. Perhaps this revelation will give the people the will to pick up a few ropes and find a tall tree.
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I thought it was comical, when Pete admitted - loudly and clearly that he was F.B.I. - which means to him (and everyone else) that he is FULL BLOODED ITALIAN - tounge


no doubt that sound bite will be edited - and broadcast by the enemies of freedom, so "heads up" when you hear it, because it will reveal the depths that people will stoop to, to dis-credit, Pete, Deb, and anyone they are associated with


I am very disappoint to hear that the next "town meeting" will not be held in the local school, but in a nursing home - that only has room for about a hundered of the thousands of people who live in that county .... it will NOT be open to the public, you must apply for a "Ticket" - produce ID that identifies you as a "local" and no doubt those people will be vetted, and only people who support the Judge will be allowed to attend - which will also exclude most media -
Pete suggests that NO ONE goes (to listen to more lies)




Ammond, personally, went to the Sheriff's office, to ascertain "who's in charge" and was finally told, it was the FEDs - the independent patriots (members of PPN) who risk their lives to protect him, have documented, that over two hundred cars, some filled, with people - have arrived in Bern,and are parked at their "staging area" at the airport resulting in heavily armed, and uniformed personal, milling about, all over the streets of Burns- from outside the county, there are to assist the FBI, pull another Waco/Ruby Ridge - probably this weekend, or after school, today.

The Ammonds tried to negotiate ... but the FBI refused to meet with them in public - or to be filmed or recorded ... they know that they have to end this public exposure of their illegal activities before, even more people are exposed.


the rumor that the hiway to the refuge was (road-blocked) could not be confirmed - by people on the scene - it is likely, that that is the first thing they will do, even though, the land is flat and treeless, and people don't need "roads" to get around.... they know they are being "survailed" by armed drones - The Bundys have promised, that they will not fire - unless fired upon - but they intend to stay there - for as long as it takes, to re-establish justice - and to free the Hammonds


how can you NOT support these men and women, who are standing up for YOU, and our Constitutional rights?
 Quoting: Sunny Daze


On that clip where Ammon went to the sheriffs office, did you see the town man confront Ammon, told Ammon that he didn't own a bolt in this county and to get the hell out>. I have yet seen more than 5 town people at a time supporting the Bundy's. That fact alone makes me think most all the town is against this. If you know of a link let me see it. All I find is the town against this. The first town meeting they were booed out, the second they had a deal with the sheriff and they let them in, but you could tell most didn't want them there. So if you got a link to the contrary let us see it please, lots of cameras there so conspiracies work both ways u know??
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That "militia" is nothing more than a bunch of brain-damaged fools trying to burn, destroy, and abuse land they had no right to in the first place. They are complete assholes. They also would have been dead a long time ago, with deputies gloating if they were any other race/religion/gender/political profile. SORRY, their gambit is not political, its about the evolutionary shift in which one part of the planet is going into extinction and the other will rule. The Bundy's are the last, sad remnants of a failed genetic strain.
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I kind of felt something like that before, but the more I find out the more I'm divided on this. Armed take over was too much, afraid of the precedence that sets, we all know their are lots of wrongs out there and scary thinking about who or what will be the next one..Also it was a jury trial and should not overturn it with Guns. NO WAY!!But also think it was too much time? Also know there are many in prison that got way too much time for their crime also. so just hope no one gets hurt in this. In the 60s 70s the country was changed because most of us got out there and peaceful protest did it. I really think that is the only way. so far in Oregon it seems like only far right people? That is why I say get all the rest and then that would usher in a real change for all US, that is needed I think...
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Peaceful protests never do anything by themselves.
Look at the Occupy movement.
Unless you have power at the Ballot box or in the Media, you don't stand a chance of making peaceful change. We lost those years ago.
So what is left? Not much.
The implied threat of violence, if the wrongs are not addressed is what is being tried here. Which is what Gandhi successfully used on the British,
Which is probably the last hope of peaceful change and the redress of grievances, as guaranteed by the Constitution.

Now if the Government responds with violence, rather than addressing the issues, then that changes the game, from here on out. So the Ball is in their court.
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I just finished listening to today's show ... live from Burns ... and a lot of their research into the county - historically and recently - has revealed that illegal activities by local, county and state, administration is blatently ILLEGAL - and they took the precaution to secure this "official" documentation, of their activities, OFF SHORE, to make sure that it is not "disappeared" ... the things that they are exposing, should put the Judge, the state govenor and several other people IN JAIL ... and free the Hammonds - IMMEDIATELY ... I said SHOULD

I don't know if it will or not , it appears that the FBI - full of confidence because NO ONE IS SHOWING UP IN SUPPORT of the Constitutionalist (for what ever reason) to serve as a buffer - leaving the FBI free to do whatever they please - legal or not.

It is up to the people of Burns and the county to take matters into their own hands ... because they plan on doing something SOON, to stop the exposure - and the land grab

don't tell me, that you are a "Patriot" or even a good citizen, if you are not there .... or haven't contributed something to the cause

go look into the mirror, and ask yourself, why you are NOT an activist - KNOWING what they are doing, WILL absolutly effect YOU and your family in the very near future, if YOU don't do something NOW to stop it

as the 1st revolution revealed - it only takes 3% of the population to be active ... and personally, IMO the rest of you don't deserve to live here
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It was stated that there are 5,000 Militia ready to go to Oregon. They are at Ammons disposal. These from other Western states .... they all have been cheated by the gov.
 Quoting: Misspurrrrrect

What I have read on this, is they don't support what the Bundys are doing but don't want to see another waco. If you know different than that please include a link so I can see.
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I heard this a couple of days ago on a live interview on Revolution Radio whose show host was in a two hour live telephone interview with people in the refuse. There are archives but they are sub only. This interview was key because there were two people who were getting all the records organized ... and the load of intel they dropped on the listeners was mind blowing. They have FB pages but I don't get on FB. They were Ken Doss or Dost I had a hard time hearing the name and the lady was Rene Power or Powers. That would be a start. If you find them please report on what you find.
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I just finished listening to today's show ... live from Burns ... and a lot of their research into the county - historically and recently - has revealed that illegal activities by local, county and state, administration is blatently ILLEGAL - and they took the precaution to secure this "official" documentation, of their activities, OFF SHORE, to make sure that it is not "disappeared" ... the things that they are exposing, should put the Judge, the state govenor and several other people IN JAIL ... and free the Hammonds - IMMEDIATELY ... I said SHOULD

I don't know if it will or not , it appears that the FBI - full of confidence because NO ONE IS SHOWING UP IN SUPPORT of the Constitutionalist (for what ever reason) to serve as a buffer - leaving the FBI free to do whatever they please - legal or not.

It is up to the people of Burns and the county to take matters into their own hands ... because they plan on doing something SOON, to stop the exposure - and the land grab

don't tell me, that you are a "Patriot" or even a good citizen, if you are not there .... or haven't contributed something to the cause

go look into the mirror, and ask yourself, why you are NOT an activist - KNOWING what they are doing, WILL absolutly effect YOU and your family in the very near future, if YOU don't do something NOW to stop it

as the 1st revolution revealed - it only takes 3% of the population to be active ... and personally, IMO the rest of you don't deserve to live here
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14751920


It was stated that there are 5,000 Militia ready to go to Oregon. They are at Ammons disposal. These from other Western states .... they all have been cheated by the gov.
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well, all I know, is that, if they are not there TODAY, they will be too late to stop what the FBI has planned ... and nothing less than a "human shield" will stop them, because they have had numerous opportunities to filed charges, and arrest Ammond and company - and have failed to do so ... because he has not broken any laws.

we all know - the Bundys and Pete and Deb, will be their primary targets... and without a "show of force" larger than their own, they are going to be murdered and all evidence destroyed.
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Heated Exchange Over Freeing the Hammonds / Ammon Bundy Oregon Standoff

[link to www.youtube.com (secure)]

BREAKING: GOVERNOR TRIGGERS WACO FEARS OVER OBAMA LETTER FOR 'SWIFT' ACTION AGAINST BUNDY MILITIA

m'fking corrupt gov
 Quoting: Hogwasher 70408109

When you watch the whole town meeting you get a much different feeling that your clip. The town would have booed Ammon if he would have got up and said anything. You can easily see that if you watch the whole thing here..Lots of twists of truth on both sides of this.
[link to www.youtube.com (secure)]
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The people have been put into positions that make them know they are in jeopardy if they say anything or do anything to join this movement. Why do you think they were so adamant to get Ammon and others out of the county. The Hammons Father was threatened to be moved to an undesirable prison if anyone put up a fuss. Perhaps this revelation will give the people the will to pick up a few ropes and find a tall tree.
 Quoting: Misspurrrrrect

you can't say that after you watch this, so i know you are just saying that as you didn't even watch this. Those town people were not afraid to speak.
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I just finished listening to today's show ... live from Burns ... and a lot of their research into the county - historically and recently - has revealed that illegal activities by local, county and state, administration is blatently ILLEGAL - and they took the precaution to secure this "official" documentation, of their activities, OFF SHORE, to make sure that it is not "disappeared" ... the things that they are exposing, should put the Judge, the state govenor and several other people IN JAIL ... and free the Hammonds - IMMEDIATELY ... I said SHOULD

I don't know if it will or not , it appears that the FBI - full of confidence because NO ONE IS SHOWING UP IN SUPPORT of the Constitutionalist (for what ever reason) to serve as a buffer - leaving the FBI free to do whatever they please - legal or not.

It is up to the people of Burns and the county to take matters into their own hands ... because they plan on doing something SOON, to stop the exposure - and the land grab

don't tell me, that you are a "Patriot" or even a good citizen, if you are not there .... or haven't contributed something to the cause

go look into the mirror, and ask yourself, why you are NOT an activist - KNOWING what they are doing, WILL absolutly effect YOU and your family in the very near future, if YOU don't do something NOW to stop it

as the 1st revolution revealed - it only takes 3% of the population to be active ... and personally, IMO the rest of you don't deserve to live here
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14751920


It was stated that there are 5,000 Militia ready to go to Oregon. They are at Ammons disposal. These from other Western states .... they all have been cheated by the gov.
 Quoting: Misspurrrrrect


well, all I know, is that, if they are not there TODAY, they will be too late to stop what the FBI has planned ... and nothing less than a "human shield" will stop them, because they have had numerous opportunities to filed charges, and arrest Ammond and company - and have failed to do so ... because he has not broken any laws.

we all know - the Bundys and Pete and Deb, will be their primary targets... and without a "show of force" larger than their own, they are going to be murdered and all evidence destroyed.
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oath keepers are there NOW!!





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