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Good news: establishment in a panic over Sanders' rise

 
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The Seven Stages of Establishment Backlash: Corbyn/Sanders Edition

Glenn Greenwald

Jan. 21 2016,

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Just as was true for Corbyn, there is a direct correlation between the strength of Sanders and the intensity of the bitter and ugly attacks unleashed at him by the D.C. and Democratic political and media establishment. There were, roughly speaking, seven stages to this establishment revolt in the U.K. against Corbyn, and the U.S. reaction to Sanders is closely following the same script:

STAGE 1: Polite condescension toward what is perceived to be harmless (we think it’s really wonderful that your views are being aired).

STAGE 2: Light, casual mockery as the self-belief among supporters grows (no, dears, a left-wing extremist will not win, but it’s nice to see you excited).

STAGE 3: Self-pity and angry etiquette lectures directed at supporters upon realization that they are not performing their duty of meek surrender, flavored with heavy doses of concern trolling (nobody but nobody is as rude and gauche online to journalists as these crusaders, and it’s unfortunately hurting their candidate’s cause!).

STAGE 4: Smear the candidate and his supporters with innuendos of sexism and racism by falsely claiming only white men support them (you like this candidate because he’s white and male like you, not because of ideology or policy or contempt for the party establishment’s corporatist, pro-war approach).

STAGE 5: Brazen invocation of right-wing attacks to marginalize and demonize, as polls prove the candidate is a credible threat (he’s weak on terrorism, will surrender to ISIS, has crazy associations, and is a clone of Mao and Stalin).

STAGE 6: Issuance of grave and hysterical warnings about the pending apocalypse if the establishment candidate is rejected, as the possibility of losing becomes imminent (you are destined for decades, perhaps even generations, of powerlessness if you disobey our decrees about who to select).

STAGE 7: Full-scale and unrestrained meltdown, panic, lashing-out, threats, recriminations, self-important foot-stomping, overt union with the Right, complete fury (I can no longer in good conscience support this party of misfits, terrorist-lovers, communists, and heathens).

Britain is well into Stage 7, and may even invent a whole new level (anonymous British military officials expressly threatened a “mutiny” if Corbyn were democratically elected as prime minister). The Democratic media and political establishment has been in the heart of Stage 5 for weeks and is now entering Stage 6. The arrival of Stage 7 is guaranteed if Sanders wins Iowa.
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colonel beanie sanders?
just no
stfu
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colonel beanie sanders?
just no
stfu
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Stage Two for the illiterate.
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Communism has proven a failed philosophy over and over again. It's never succeeded anywhere. Even China has had to adopt capitalist principals in order to survive.

So any attack on Sanders is justified. The guy is a kook but a dangerous one in that he has all of the liberal hippy worthless, lazy young people thinking their lives are going to be paid for by others.

Sanders should be attacked viciously and often.
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colonel beanie sanders?
just no
stfu
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Stage Two for the illiterate.
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colonel beanie sanders is a commie nutjob but im guessing he can read and write
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Re: Good news: establishment in a panic over Sanders' rise
Communism has proven a failed philosophy over and over again. It's never succeeded anywhere. Even China has had to adopt capitalist principals in order to survive.
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VERY false. The health and well-being of the mass of Chinese improved dramatically after the revolution (1948), under Mao. Life expectancy went from ~35 to over 60, within 20 years. The economy grew at a rapid rate. Maoist communism was a huge success, by any human measure. Of course it was NOT a success for the international corporate scumbags who would have liked to loot the country.
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Communism has proven a failed philosophy over and over again. It's never succeeded anywhere. Even China has had to adopt capitalist principals in order to survive.
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VERY false. The health and well-being of the mass of Chinese improved dramatically after the revolution (1948), under Mao. Life expectancy went from ~35 to over 60, within 20 years. The economy grew at a rapid rate. Maoist communism was a huge success, by any human measure. Of course it was NOT a success for the international corporate scumbags who would have liked to loot the country.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70463113





You conveniently forgot to mention the peasant farmers whom died of starvation because Mao stole their food and gave it to the cities. You communists are so fucking stupid because You never take in to account human nature in Your little paradise. If You want a liberal paradise so much Why don't You all go to an area and all You liberals can actively participate in Your utopia. The only problem is Your utopia will not work because it needs a working class to leach off of.
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Hey OP, you need to understand something RIGHT NOW. You are the enemy. You are MY enemy. When we end up in civil war, we will destroy you and every disgusting thing like you in this country. You have chosen the wrong side and you will likely pay with your life.
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Communism has proven a failed philosophy over and over again. It's never succeeded anywhere. Even China has had to adopt capitalist principals in order to survive.
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VERY false. The health and well-being of the mass of Chinese improved dramatically after the revolution (1948), under Mao. Life expectancy went from ~35 to over 60, within 20 years. The economy grew at a rapid rate. Maoist communism was a huge success, by any human measure. Of course it was NOT a success for the international corporate scumbags who would have liked to loot the country.
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You conveniently forgot to mention the peasant farmers whom died of starvation because Mao stole their food and gave it to the cities.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71145994


False. The opposite is true. Mao favored the peasants. The Mao era came to an end, later, in the late 70s, and the emphasis turned to the urban areas. But before that, under Mao, the peasants made fantastic gains.

This is a matter of clear statistical record. There is no argument about it. Though I realize that you may deny it if you're steeped in corporate/CIA propaganda (i.e. most people).
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Hey OP, you need to understand something RIGHT NOW. You are the enemy. You are MY enemy. When we end up in civil war, we will destroy you and every disgusting thing like you in this country. You have chosen the wrong side and you will likely pay with your life.
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Ohhh! I am SOOOOOO scared! lol
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Re: Good news: establishment in a panic over Sanders' rise
Communism has proven a failed philosophy over and over again. It's never succeeded anywhere. Even China has had to adopt capitalist principals in order to survive.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 588983



VERY false. The health and well-being of the mass of Chinese improved dramatically after the revolution (1948), under Mao. Life expectancy went from ~35 to over 60, within 20 years. The economy grew at a rapid rate. Maoist communism was a huge success, by any human measure. Of course it was NOT a success for the international corporate scumbags who would have liked to loot the country.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70463113


You are a university student aren't you?
Communism has failed. Period. End of Story.
Success of a socioeconomic philosophy is not measured by life expectancy of the people.
You are delusional.
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Re: Good news: establishment in a panic over Sanders' rise
Communism has proven a failed philosophy over and over again. It's never succeeded anywhere. Even China has had to adopt capitalist principals in order to survive.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 588983



VERY false. The health and well-being of the mass of Chinese improved dramatically after the revolution (1948), under Mao. Life expectancy went from ~35 to over 60, within 20 years. The economy grew at a rapid rate. Maoist communism was a huge success, by any human measure. Of course it was NOT a success for the international corporate scumbags who would have liked to loot the country.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70463113


You are a university student aren't you?
Communism has failed. Period. End of Story.
Success of a socioeconomic philosophy is not measured by life expectancy of the people.
You are delusional.
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Re: Good news: establishment in a panic over Sanders' rise
Communism has proven a failed philosophy over and over again. It's never succeeded anywhere. Even China has had to adopt capitalist principals in order to survive.
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VERY false. The health and well-being of the mass of Chinese improved dramatically after the revolution (1948), under Mao. Life expectancy went from ~35 to over 60, within 20 years. The economy grew at a rapid rate. Maoist communism was a huge success, by any human measure. Of course it was NOT a success for the international corporate scumbags who would have liked to loot the country.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70463113


You are a university student aren't you?
Communism has failed. Period. End of Story.
Success of a socioeconomic philosophy is not measured by life expectancy of the people.
You are delusional.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70432388


What is "foot binding" and why is it no longer practised in China?
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Communism has proven a failed philosophy over and over again. It's never succeeded anywhere. Even China has had to adopt capitalist principals in order to survive.
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VERY false. The health and well-being of the mass of Chinese improved dramatically after the revolution (1948), under Mao. Life expectancy went from ~35 to over 60, within 20 years. The economy grew at a rapid rate. Maoist communism was a huge success, by any human measure. Of course it was NOT a success for the international corporate scumbags who would have liked to loot the country.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70463113


You are a university student aren't you?
Communism has failed. Period. End of Story.
Success of a socioeconomic philosophy is not measured by life expectancy of the people.
You are delusional.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70432388


When the average life expectancy is ~35 -- reflecting CHRONIC MALNUTRITION, CHRONIC INFECTION, FILTH, TOTAL LACK OF ESSENTIAL MEDICINES, etcetera -- then yes, of course you measure the success of a "philosophy" by the life expectancy of the people. What other measure would there be? Corporate profits? lol

Communism succeeded. Period. End of story.

You are probably reacting to an idea that I never suggested: i.e. that because communism DID succeed under certain conditions, in certain places, in the past, therefore communism is the appropriate system for us, here, now. I DID NOT SAY THAT. I only mentioned a few historical facts, which are indisputable.

As for what is appropriate for us, here, now: probably some form of social democracy, scandinavian-style. Mao's communism is not appropriate here.
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in China there never was Communism.

You CIA brainwashed Zombies even dont know what this word means except for the bullshit the cia has teached you.


Capitalism isnt working either. If you mean 80% of the people possesing 70% of all wealth..then this is not called a "working system". it is plunder and fraud.
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What is "foot binding" and why is it no longer practised in China?
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It was a barbaric practice, going back centuries, that was eliminated during the Mao era. It was one of MANY barbaric practices and feudal circumstances that were eliminated during the Mao area. It really WAS a "great leap forward", out of a miserable past, into a much better future.
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in China there never was Communism.
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True in the sense that they never arrived at the stateless anarcho-communist ideal. But that would be an unreasonable expectation, given China's level of development at the time of the revolution. Maybe in a century or two, but not right away.
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Capitalism isnt working either. If you mean 80% of the people possesing 70% of all wealth..then this is not called a "working system". it is plunder and fraud.
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No, capitalism is working just fine. This is what unregulated capitalism looks like, complete with extreme discrepancies of wealth and income. Yes, plunder and fraud. That's what capitalism is about! Plunder and fraud, until finally the people get fed up and revolt. Or maybe vote-in socialists like Bernie. The only problem with Bernie is that he is a war-mongering Israel shill.
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Communism has proven a failed philosophy over and over again. It's never succeeded anywhere. Even China has had to adopt capitalist principals in order to survive.
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VERY false. The health and well-being of the mass of Chinese improved dramatically after the revolution (1948), under Mao. Life expectancy went from ~35 to over 60, within 20 years. The economy grew at a rapid rate. Maoist communism was a huge success, by any human measure. Of course it was NOT a success for the international corporate scumbags who would have liked to loot the country.
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The life expectancy of the people he killed certainly didn't go up.
It was ended with a bullet to the back of the head.
You're an idiot.
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Communism has proven a failed philosophy over and over again. It's never succeeded anywhere. Even China has had to adopt capitalist principals in order to survive.
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VERY false. The health and well-being of the mass of Chinese improved dramatically after the revolution (1948), under Mao. Life expectancy went from ~35 to over 60, within 20 years. The economy grew at a rapid rate. Maoist communism was a huge success, by any human measure. Of course it was NOT a success for the international corporate scumbags who would have liked to loot the country.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70463113


The life expectancy of the people he killed certainly didn't go up.
It was ended with a bullet to the back of the head.
You're an idiot.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 59120133


You're confused. "Bullet to the back of the head" was the technique of the NKVD.

Yes, in the process of revolutionzing that huge nation, some blood was spilled. Sorry about that. The end result was DRAMATIC improvement for the great majority of people. This is statistical FACT. You can deny it if it makes you feel good, but it remains fact.
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in China there never was Communism.
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True in the sense that they never arrived at the stateless anarcho-communist ideal. But that would be an unreasonable expectation, given China's level of development at the time of the revolution. Maybe in a century or two, but not right away.
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I love how you communists move the goal posts every time it's pointed out to you how communism has failed miserably throughout history.

Here's a news flash Poindexter... Your idea of a stateless anarcho communist society will never happen. Are you so naive as to think that governments will just dissolve and allow free reign of the peoples? Do you know what happens in that type of environment?

All of your communistic pipe dreams sound wonderful when discussed in the comfort of a classroom or while read in a book. Theories aren't reality. Factor in the human condition, the greed, the perverse nature of man and you'll see the real truth...

Democratic capitalism for now, has been the most productive and most successful economic solution. Yes it's not even close to perfect. The reasons are as I stated earlier. You can't stop people from being greedy. You can't stop psychopaths from being psychopaths. But it beats the alternative of an over bearing authoritarian communist regime running over protesters with tanks doesn't it? At least there are some checks and balances where in China, there are none.
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in China there never was Communism.
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True in the sense that they never arrived at the stateless anarcho-communist ideal. But that would be an unreasonable expectation, given China's level of development at the time of the revolution. Maybe in a century or two, but not right away.
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I love how you communists move the goal posts every time it's pointed out to you how communism has failed miserably throughout history.

Here's a news flash Poindexter... Your idea of a stateless anarcho communist society will never happen. Are you so naive as to think that governments will just dissolve and allow free reign of the peoples? Do you know what happens in that type of environment?

All of your communistic pipe dreams sound wonderful when discussed in the comfort of a classroom or while read in a book. Theories aren't reality. Factor in the human condition, the greed, the perverse nature of man and you'll see the real truth...

Democratic capitalism for now, has been the most productive and most successful economic solution.
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You think we live under a democracy?!? Bwaahahaha!

You think our present system is sustainable?!? Bwaahaha! Here's a news flash, Bubba: It is collapsing as we speak. But then, collapse was built-in to it. That's what capitalism DOES. Its excesses lead to its demise, and/or radical restructuring (social democracy).

Yes, in the long run a stateless anarcho-communist society will come to pass. When humanity is ready for that highly advanced system, it will come to pass. But it will be a long time. For now we are stuck with big governments, crappy though they may be.





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