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For all of the Unpatriotic Neo-cons who love torture... do you think this is great too? President Bush has legal authority to torture children!

 
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For all of the Unpatriotic Neo-cons who love torture... do you think this is great too? President Bush has legal authority to torture children!
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Bush Advisor Says President Has Legal Power to Torture Children

By Philip Watts

01/08/06 "revcom.us" -- -- John Yoo publicly argued there is no law that could prevent the President from ordering the torture of a child of a suspect in custody – including by crushing that child’s testicles.

This came out in response to a question in a December 1st debate in Chicago with Notre Dame professor and international human rights scholar Doug Cassel.

What is particularly chilling and revealing about this is that John Yoo was a key architect post-9/11 Bush Administration legal policy. As a deputy assistant to then-Attorney General John Ashcroft, John Yoo authored a number of legal memos arguing for unlimited presidential powers to order torture of captive suspects, and to declare war anytime, any where, and on anyone the President deemed a threat.

It has now come out Yoo also had a hand in providing legal reasoning for the President to conduct unauthorized wiretaps of U.S. citizens. Georgetown Law Professor David Cole wrote, "Few lawyers have had more influence on President Bush’s legal policies in the 'war on terror’ than John Yoo."

This part of the exchange during the debate with Doug Cassel, reveals the logic of Yoo’s theories, adopted by the Administration as bedrock principles, in the real world.

Cassel: If the President deems that he’s got to torture somebody, including by crushing the testicles of the person’s child, there is no law that can stop him?
Yoo: No treaty.
Cassel: Also no law by Congress. That is what you wrote in the August 2002 memo.
Yoo: I think it depends on why the President thinks he needs to do that.

The audio of this exchange is available online at revcom.us

Yoo argues presidential powers on Constitutional grounds, but where in the Constitution does it say the President can order the torture of children ? As David Cole puts it, "Yoo reasoned that because the Constitution makes the President the 'Commander-in-Chief,’ no law can restrict the actions he may take in pursuit of war. On this reasoning, the President would be entitled by the Constitution to resort to genocide if he wished."

What is the position of the Bush Administration on the torture of children, since one of its most influential legal architects is advocating the President’s right to order the crushing of a child’s testicles?

This fascist logic has nothing to do with "getting information" as Yoo has argued. The legal theory developed by Yoo and a few others and adopted by the Administration has resulted in thousands being abducted from their homes in Afghanistan, Iraq or other parts of the world, mostly at random. People have been raped, electrocuted, nearly drowned and tortured literally to death in U.S.-run torture centers in Afghanistan, Iraq, and Guantánamo Bay. And there is much still to come out. What about the secret centers in Europe or the many still-suppressed photos from Abu Ghraib? What can explain this sadistic, indiscriminate, barbaric brutality except a need to instill widespread fear among people all over the world?

It is ironic that just prior to arguing the President's legal right to torture children, John Yoo was defensive about the Bush administration policies, based on his legal memo’s, being equated to those during Nazi Germany.

Yoo said, "If you are trying to draw a moral equivalence between the Nazis and what the United States is trying to do in defending themselves against Al Qauueda and the 9/11 attacks, I fully reject that. Second, if you’re trying to equate the Bush Administration to Nazi officials who committed atrocities in the holocaust, I completely reject that too…I think to equate Nazi Germany to the Bush Administration is irresponsible."

If open promotion of unmitigated executive power, including the right to order the torture of innocent children, isn’t sufficient basis for drawing such a "moral equivalence," then I don’t know what is. What would be irresponsible is to sit by and allow the Bush regime to radically remake society in a fascist way, with repercussions for generations to come. We must act now because the future is in the balance. The world cannot wait. While Bush gives his State of the Union on January 31st, I’ll find myself along with many thousands across the country declaring "Bush Step Down And take your program with you."
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pathological.
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its ok because the president has an R after his name so it must be good. Bush loves Jesus after all.
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Re: For all of the Unpatriotic Neo-cons who love torture... do you think this is great too? President Bush has legal authority to torture children!
I'm just disgusted by some of the responses I've seen the last few days of some of the posters saying torture is good. I hope it never happens to anyone but with the passage of HR6166 (Military Commissions Act of 2006) these same stooges could someday find this happening to them (or regretably to someone they love). Remember how Hitler and the Nazis turned on the brown shirts once they outlived their usefulness.

Here's another informative article...

[link to www.infowars.com]
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get over yourself
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get over yourself
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Get over myself... I always knew Bush worshippers were bottom feeder zombies that would pretty much support anything the government told them, but surely if there is even a smidgeon of goodness left in your black sould how can you not see how freakin' evil this is? Or do you somehow justify it... the scary Mohammedans are going to get us! Oh no! Everybody better be afraid... here government.. take some more of our freedoms so the fiece Arabs with the box cutters don't attack.
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Re: For all of the Unpatriotic Neo-cons who love torture... do you think this is great too? President Bush has legal authority to torture children!
Who "loves" torture?
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Re: For all of the Unpatriotic Neo-cons who love torture... do you think this is great too? President Bush has legal authority to torture children!
I didn't think anyone loved torture but I've seen numerous posts on GLP by seemingly Bush supporters that makes me think otherwise. Things like "Waterboarding is not only a great interrogation technique but it leaves the person clean and sweet-smelling" or something to that effect.

Also, I've heard too many to even name callers to the neo-con talk shows that say torture is good because we have to get information from those no-good Muslims before they blow something up.
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How many dead Americans would you like?
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How quick you are to condemn...but always who?
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OP,
Well forget it!!!
You are not worthy of a reply!
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How many dead Americans would you like?
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I don't want any dead Americans but torturing Muslims isn't going to solve anything. Even if Muslims were the horrible menace that our government portrays them to be, it has been proven that information gleened from torture sessions is unreliable and taints the information databases maintained that might actually prevent attacks.

That being said it is far more likely that Western intelligence agents have a greater hand in these attacks than the idiotic Muslim patsies.
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Re: For all of the Unpatriotic Neo-cons who love torture... do you think this is great too? President Bush has legal authority to torture children!
By the way, none of you haters are addressing the issue... do you support the torture of children as Bush consultant John Yoo states.

I guess those children are some real bad terrorists and need to have their testicles crushed, huh?

You freakin' demons... make me sick.
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Re: For all of the Unpatriotic Neo-cons who love torture... do you think this is great too? President Bush has legal authority to torture children!
I guess the neo-cons can't argue with this one. But why are the elitists so horribly sick? Way before the Mark Foley pedophile mess there was the Lawrence King/Franklin cover-up of the late 1980's/early 1990's.

Check out this front page story from the Washington Times. I really think the ruling elite must be luciferians (or something) because I just don't see how normal people could even think about torturing children or engaging in child sex trafficking...

[link to www.francesfarmersrevenge.com]
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Re: For all of the Unpatriotic Neo-cons who love torture... do you think this is great too? President Bush has legal authority to torture children!
Here is a mainstream news article (the Chicago Tribune) addressing the fact that the US government fails to act to prevent contractors engage in human trafficking (that's enslavement).

After the wars in Yugoslavia, companies like Dyncorp moved tens of thousands of innocent women and children to other countries... many to be slaves or our supposed ultra-wealthy Saudi allies.

[link to www.chicagotribune.com]
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And for those who haven't seen it, this is a mind blowing video clip of former Representative Cynthia McKinney asking Donald Rumsfeld why the Pentagon still did business with Dyncorp, even after it was well known that they trafficked in human slavery.

[link to www.youtube.com]
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Here's what I support:



1)impeach Bush

2)place him in jail with bubba for a few days...

3)Get a fine rope greased with butter....

4)place in noose after a few hours of torture approved by his bill...

5)hang the criminal. Must be hanged. No firing squads. He is a criminal, a war criminal.
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Here's another example of how our elitist rulers have ruthlessly sacrificed children. In the 1950's, the Israeli government using money supplied by the US government started a program to irradiate thousands of sephardic Jewish children. This was supposedly to treat ringwork... but the huge amounts of radiation just ended up killing thousands of children. As an aside note, the sephardic Jews are the original semitic Jews... the people that can trace their roots back to the Biblical holy land. The Ashkenazi Jews are the European looking people who migrated to Israel in recent times. The Ashkenazi killed hundreds of thousands of sephardic children with US money (of course they got the money from America; Israel gets everything from the US)...

[link to www.knowledgedrivenrevolution.com]
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you haters
You freakin' demons... make me sick.
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Umm....so who hates who?
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you are a coward 155935, the true definition of one.
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Typical. All the problems are the U.S. and Israel. We're the bad guys.
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you are a coward 155935, the true definition of one.
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Yeah right asshole. My phone has been tapped more than yours.
Uncle Sam knows me. Ask him.
You on the other hand, I'm sure, are a noblody coward.
You have no fucking clue about me little boy.
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you are a coward 155935, the true definition of one.

Yeah right asshole. My phone has been tapped more than yours.
Uncle Sam knows me. Ask him.
You on the other hand, I'm sure, are a noblody coward.
You have no fucking clue about me little boy.
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why do neocons always refer to everyone as little boys, hummm?
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Yeah, I'm a neocon. Right.
Because you're an ignorant retard, therefore, I'm a neocon.
Yeah right.
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Yeah, I'm a neocon. Right.
Because you're an ignorant retard, therefore, I'm a neocon.
Yeah right.
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why did you refer to me as a little boy?
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you haters
You freakin' demons... make me sick.

Umm....so who hates who?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 155935



The "haters" are the ones who have perverted America into something vile and evil. The "haters" are the ones who revel in evil... everything that is now praised as being American... torture, violation of Geneva conventions, irradiating entire populations with depleted uranium, the abolition of my people's freedom... and all the while the "haters" rejoice. They scramble and scurry to lick the boots of their new Lord... for even though many claim to be christians these people would not tolerate the real teaching of the Christ of 2000 years ago. Nay, they have updated the Messiah into the form of a war-mongering (draft dodging) "Texan" (Connecticut born) christian (luciferian, skull&bones / bohemian grove member)... a man's man (college cheerleader; alleged homosexual). These are the people who have hated America so much that they have destroyed it.
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Because you are no man.
Do you prefer lying sack of shit?
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Because you are no man.
Do you prefer lying sack of shit?
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calm down there nambla man.

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