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Anonymous Coward User ID: 71417963 United States 02/09/2016 05:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So if you want to be safe, especially considering what Jesus, not Paul, but what Jesus says himself above, then don't just 1) Accept Jesus but also 2) Do your best to live by his teachings love God and love and help others. If I'm wrong and all you have to do is 1, than you still get "rewarded for your good works" according to Revelations. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 70714807 United States 02/09/2016 08:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Well, who inherits eternal life? The "saints"? Quoting: Itiswhatitisheh Well what does the bible say the "saints" will do? Revelation 14 : 12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus. Scripture declares, faith in Jesus as the Messiah and his sacrifice to atone for their sins. And they will also keep the Law of God. (Including the 4th commandment) Matthew 19:17 "Why do you ask me about what is good?" Jesus replied. "There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, keep the commandments." 18 Then he *said to Him, “Which ones?” And Jesus said, “You shall not commit murder; You shall not commit adultery; You shall not steal; You shall not bear false witness; 19 Honor your father and mother; and You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” 20 The young man *said to Him, “All these things I have kept; what am I still lacking?” 21 Jesus said to him, “If you wish to be [j]complete, go and sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow Me. Text, in context, in light of the co-text Matthew 5:17-20 17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. 19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven. I have agreed with you that following the commandments is what should be done by the saints/ believers in Christ. But following the commandments is not what secures your place in heaven. As you just quoted above, there are "least" and "great" in heaven according to their works, but that is not what got them there. Jesus is the way. he paid the price for us. And as far as the verse above about the Pharisees: wouldn't belief in Christ alone make one more righteous, being that they are the ones who murdered him. |
Monotheism User ID: 71438607 Sweden 02/09/2016 09:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Monotheism Matthew 19:17 "Why do you ask me about what is good?" Jesus replied. "There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, keep the commandments." 18 Then he *said to Him, “Which ones?” And Jesus said, “You shall not commit murder; You shall not commit adultery; You shall not steal; You shall not bear false witness; 19 Honor your father and mother; and You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” 20 The young man *said to Him, “All these things I have kept; what am I still lacking?” 21 Jesus said to him, “If you wish to be [j]complete, go and sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow Me. Text, in context, in light of the co-text Matthew 5:17-20 17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. 19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven. I have agreed with you that following the commandments is what should be done by the saints/ believers in Christ. But following the commandments is not what secures your place in heaven. As you just quoted above, there are "least" and "great" in heaven according to their works, but that is not what got them there. Jesus is the way. he paid the price for us. And as far as the verse above about the Pharisees: wouldn't belief in Christ alone make one more righteous, being that they are the ones who murdered him. Beware of Christian fairy-tales... Dear children, do not let anyone lead you astray. The one who does what is right is righteous, just as he is righteous. 1 John 3:7 And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’ Matthew 7:23 Thread: Mark of the Beast: lawlessness? |
Monotheism User ID: 71438607 Sweden 02/09/2016 09:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Overcoming... 5 Everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God, and everyone who loves the father loves his child as well. 2 This is how we know that we love the children of God: by loving God and carrying out his commands. 3 In fact, this is love for God: to keep his commands. And his commands are not burdensome, for everyone born of God overcomes (nikao) the world. This is the victory (nike) that has overcome (nikao) the world, even our faith. 1 1 John 5:1-5 Whoever has ears, let them hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To the one who is victorious (nikao), I will give the right to eat from the tree of life, which is in the paradise of God Revelation 2:7 Whoever has ears, let them hear what the Spirit says to the churches. The one who is victorious (nikao) will not be hurt at all by the second death. Revelation 2:11 The one who is victorious (nikao) I will make a pillar in the temple of my God. Never again will they leave it. I will write on them the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem, which is coming down out of heaven from my God; and I will also write on them my new name. Revelation 3:12 To the one who is victorious (nikao), I will give the right to sit with me on my throne, just as I was victorious (nikao);and sat down with my Father on his throne. Revelation 3:21 Those who are victorious (nikao) will inherit all this, and I will be their God and they will be my children. Revelation 21:7 |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 70851936 United States 02/09/2016 10:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71252786 18 Then he *said to Him, “Which ones?” And Jesus said, “You shall not commit murder; You shall not commit adultery; You shall not steal; You shall not bear false witness; 19 Honor your father and mother; and You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” 20 The young man *said to Him, “All these things I have kept; what am I still lacking?” 21 Jesus said to him, “If you wish to be [j]complete, go and sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow Me. Text, in context, in light of the co-text Matthew 5:17-20 17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. 19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven. I have agreed with you that following the commandments is what should be done by the saints/ believers in Christ. But following the commandments is not what secures your place in heaven. As you just quoted above, there are "least" and "great" in heaven according to their works, but that is not what got them there. Jesus is the way. he paid the price for us. And as far as the verse above about the Pharisees: wouldn't belief in Christ alone make one more righteous, being that they are the ones who murdered him. Beware of Christian fairy-tales... Dear children, do not let anyone lead you astray. The one who does what is right is righteous, just as he is righteous. 1 John 3:7 And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’ Matthew 7:23 Thread: Mark of the Beast: lawlessness? Easy now man. They are not "Christian fairy tales" who tell people to reject the Law of God. Christ commands His followers to keep the Law of God. Those who claim the title Christian, yet ignore the Law of God (violation of commandment #3) are Christian in title only. Not Christians. Christ warned He will spew them from His mouth. He never even knew them. "Beware of fake Christian fairy-tales" is the accurate way to put it. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 70714807 United States 02/09/2016 10:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71252786 18 Then he *said to Him, “Which ones?” And Jesus said, “You shall not commit murder; You shall not commit adultery; You shall not steal; You shall not bear false witness; 19 Honor your father and mother; and You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” 20 The young man *said to Him, “All these things I have kept; what am I still lacking?” 21 Jesus said to him, “If you wish to be [j]complete, go and sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow Me. Text, in context, in light of the co-text Matthew 5:17-20 17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. 19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven. I have agreed with you that following the commandments is what should be done by the saints/ believers in Christ. But following the commandments is not what secures your place in heaven. As you just quoted above, there are "least" and "great" in heaven according to their works, but that is not what got them there. Jesus is the way. he paid the price for us. And as far as the verse above about the Pharisees: wouldn't belief in Christ alone make one more righteous, being that they are the ones who murdered him. Beware of Christian fairy-tales... Dear children, do not let anyone lead you astray. The one who does what is right is righteous, just as he is righteous. 1 John 3:7 And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’ Matthew 7:23 Thread: Mark of the Beast: lawlessness? You call Jesus' words fairy tales? I'm going to leave you with these verses from our Lord and Saviour, I hope you come to realize that you can't work your way to heaven before it's too late. By the way, don't you find it interesting that the thief on the cross made it to heaven with out works? John 6:47 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life John 11:25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: John 11:26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this? |
Monotheism User ID: 71438607 Sweden 02/09/2016 10:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Monotheism Matthew 5:17-20 17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. 19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven. I have agreed with you that following the commandments is what should be done by the saints/ believers in Christ. But following the commandments is not what secures your place in heaven. As you just quoted above, there are "least" and "great" in heaven according to their works, but that is not what got them there. Jesus is the way. he paid the price for us. And as far as the verse above about the Pharisees: wouldn't belief in Christ alone make one more righteous, being that they are the ones who murdered him. Beware of Christian fairy-tales... Dear children, do not let anyone lead you astray. The one who does what is right is righteous, just as he is righteous. 1 John 3:7 And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’ Matthew 7:23 Thread: Mark of the Beast: lawlessness? Easy now man. They are not "Christian fairy tales" who tell people to reject the Law of God. Christ commands His followers to keep the Law of God. Those who claim the title Christian, yet ignore the Law of God (violation of commandment #3) are Christian in title only. Not Christians. Christ warned He will spew them from His mouth. He never even knew them. "Beware of fake Christian fairy-tales" is the accurate way to put it. Emunah, firmness (in God), not empty Gnostic faith. [link to graceintorah.net] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 70851936 United States 02/09/2016 10:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70714807 I have agreed with you that following the commandments is what should be done by the saints/ believers in Christ. But following the commandments is not what secures your place in heaven. As you just quoted above, there are "least" and "great" in heaven according to their works, but that is not what got them there. Jesus is the way. he paid the price for us. And as far as the verse above about the Pharisees: wouldn't belief in Christ alone make one more righteous, being that they are the ones who murdered him. Beware of Christian fairy-tales... Dear children, do not let anyone lead you astray. The one who does what is right is righteous, just as he is righteous. 1 John 3:7 And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’ Matthew 7:23 Thread: Mark of the Beast: lawlessness? Easy now man. They are not "Christian fairy tales" who tell people to reject the Law of God. Christ commands His followers to keep the Law of God. Those who claim the title Christian, yet ignore the Law of God (violation of commandment #3) are Christian in title only. Not Christians. Christ warned He will spew them from His mouth. He never even knew them. "Beware of fake Christian fairy-tales" is the accurate way to put it. Emunah, firmness (in God), not empty Gnostic faith. [link to graceintorah.net] True Christians would agree. It is the apostate fake followers who need your message. Not "Christians" |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 70851936 United States 02/09/2016 10:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Monotheism Matthew 5:17-20 17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. 19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven. I have agreed with you that following the commandments is what should be done by the saints/ believers in Christ. But following the commandments is not what secures your place in heaven. As you just quoted above, there are "least" and "great" in heaven according to their works, but that is not what got them there. Jesus is the way. he paid the price for us. And as far as the verse above about the Pharisees: wouldn't belief in Christ alone make one more righteous, being that they are the ones who murdered him. Beware of Christian fairy-tales... Dear children, do not let anyone lead you astray. The one who does what is right is righteous, just as he is righteous. 1 John 3:7 And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’ Matthew 7:23 Thread: Mark of the Beast: lawlessness? You call Jesus' words fairy tales? I'm going to leave you with these verses from our Lord and Saviour, I hope you come to realize that you can't work your way to heaven before it's too late. By the way, don't you find it interesting that the thief on the cross made it to heaven with out works? John 6:47 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life John 11:25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: John 11:26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this? Even the demons "believe". The difference is, the demons do not keep the Law. Christs followers do. (Even #4) |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 71438724 United States 02/09/2016 11:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Obey the laws. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71438724 [link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)] "Below is a list of the 613 mitzvot (commandments)." [link to www.jewfaq.org] The 613 Commandments The Talmud tells us (Tractate Makkot 23b) that there are 613 commandments in the Torah; 248 Positive Commandments (do's) and 365 Negative Commandments (do not's). However, the Talmud does not provide us with a list of these commandments. Several great Jewish scholars have compiled a complete listing of these commandments. Although they all agree on the vast majority of the commandments, they do disagree concerning a number of them. The arguments are for scholastic purposes only, for they do not disagree over any actual commandment whether it is mandatory or forbidden -- they only disagree whether certain commandments are independent commandments, or perhaps they are part of another commandment and are not counted on their own. The following list follows the opinion of Maimonides, as he lists them in his magnum opus, the Mishneh Torah. It must be noted that many of these commandments (such as all the commandments associated with sacrifices) are not practicable as long as there is no Temple in Jerusalem. [link to www.chabad.org] OBEY THE LAW! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 71438724 United States 02/09/2016 11:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It's not about the Law. It's about Your Spirit. Is Your Spirit aligned with His? Do you need to fret over Thou shalt not because otherwise thous shalt or does Your spirit seek Good in God and for your neighbor? Do you fight over these things to assert yourself or do you understand Things of the Spirit? |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 71438724 United States 02/09/2016 11:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone. Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel. Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 70851936 United States 02/10/2016 12:04 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So, Christians can have other gods before God? Can bow to idols? Can claim the title of follower of Him in error? Can forsake His Sabbath? Can dishonor (obey) their parents? Can think wicked thoughts against their fellow man? Can think and even commit adultery? Can Steal and take what is not theirs? Can lie and scheme against their brethren? Can lust after (covet) their brethrens blessings? Really? All of those Laws are somehow abolished if you say some type of chant/prayer/incantation ??? Strange since people are claiming all 10 of those are done away with. Strange indeed since Christ Himself literally promises to SPEW OUT OF HIS MOUTH those who break them. Welcome to the warning fake ones. "I never knew you" Sadly,, yes. "YOU" The one typing the reply who hates the Law (commandments) of God. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 71438724 United States 02/10/2016 12:23 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Who does that? Who said any such thing?? Who are you pointing your finger at??? Who does that? Who said any such thing?? Who are you pointing your finger at??? Who does that? Who said any such thing?? Who are you pointing your finger at??? Who does that? Who said any such thing?? Who are you pointing your finger at??? Who does that? Who said any such thing?? Who are you pointing your finger at??? Who does that? Who said any such thing?? Who are you pointing your finger at??? Who does that? Who said any such thing?? Who are you pointing your finger at??? Who does that? Who said any such thing?? Who are you pointing your finger at??? Who does that? Who said any such thing?? Who are you pointing your finger at??? Who does that? Who said any such thing?? Who are you pointing your finger at??? Who does that? Who said any such thing?? Who are you pointing your finger at??? Who does that? Who said any such thing?? Who are you pointing your finger at??? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 71438724 United States 02/10/2016 12:33 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Welcome to the warning fake ones. "I never knew you" Quoting: Itiswhatitisheh Sadly,, yes. "YOU" The one typing the reply who hates the Law (commandments) of God. Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. Any chance that the verse you self-righteously finger-point accuse against another could apply to yourself and your words end up falling on your own head? Any chance of that? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 71436319 Australia 02/10/2016 12:38 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71423732 What a stupid answer. The only prophets were in israel Israel is not the world. How did the natives of other lands get to heaven? Or did god force them to exist simply to burn them alive forever for have the sheer fucking GALL to never hear about him through his prophets that never fucking left israel? You fucking dickwank mental fucks. You and your god of pure hate and dark torture. Forcing people into being KNOWING they didnt stand a fucking chance of avoiding his eternal fucking twisted sadistic horrific torture chamber. You fucks need slaughtering BADLY. Go ahead and slaughter us then, for speaking the truth. “And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.” Matthew 10:28. So apart from wanting to die in order to avoid answering a question just how DID all the millions of people who never heard of god have any chance at all of avoiding being burnt alive forever after being forced against their will into existence in some remote culture? You still wont answer. Why? Ashamed of your god of hate and eternal torture? God only hates those who hate him. If you love him with all your heart and all your strength, and believe that he sent Jesus to suffer and die for your sins and then raised him from the dead, you will be his child forever. These are some versus that come to mind, but I'm not judge, only he is. Romans 1:19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. Romans 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: Romans 1:21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Romans 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, Romans 1:23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. You STILL did not answer the question. Why? Is it because you beleive god will burn all those millions of people who never heard of him alive forever? I take it the answer is yes. And you are too ashamed to admit it. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 71438724 United States 02/10/2016 12:45 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Is it because you beleive god will burn all those millions of people who never heard of him alive forever? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71436319 I take it the answer is yes. And you are too ashamed to admit it. God is Good. We can be sure that The Good and Righteous God will Judge all men Righteously, including you. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 70851936 United States 02/10/2016 09:15 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Who does that? Who said any such thing?? Who are you pointing your finger at??? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71438724 Who does that? Who said any such thing?? Who are you pointing your finger at??? Who does that? Who said any such thing?? Who are you pointing your finger at??? Who does that? Who said any such thing?? Who are you pointing your finger at??? Who does that? Who said any such thing?? Who are you pointing your finger at??? Who does that? Who said any such thing?? Who are you pointing your finger at??? Who does that? Who said any such thing?? Who are you pointing your finger at??? Who does that? Who said any such thing?? Who are you pointing your finger at??? Who does that? Who said any such thing?? Who are you pointing your finger at??? Who does that? Who said any such thing?? Who are you pointing your finger at??? Who does that? Who said any such thing?? Who are you pointing your finger at??? All of those Laws are somehow abolished if you say some type of chant/prayer/incantation ??? Quoting: Itiswhatitisheh Any Christian who thinks the law is abolished. Who think they are free to sin until the cows come home and still inherit eternal life. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 33756721 United States 02/10/2016 12:43 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Who does that? Who said any such thing?? Who are you pointing your finger at??? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71438724 Who does that? Who said any such thing?? Who are you pointing your finger at??? Who does that? Who said any such thing?? Who are you pointing your finger at??? Who does that? Who said any such thing?? Who are you pointing your finger at??? Who does that? Who said any such thing?? Who are you pointing your finger at??? Who does that? Who said any such thing?? Who are you pointing your finger at??? Who does that? Who said any such thing?? Who are you pointing your finger at??? Who does that? Who said any such thing?? Who are you pointing your finger at??? Who does that? Who said any such thing?? Who are you pointing your finger at??? Who does that? Who said any such thing?? Who are you pointing your finger at??? Who does that? Who said any such thing?? Who are you pointing your finger at??? All of those Laws are somehow abolished if you say some type of chant/prayer/incantation ??? Quoting: Itiswhatitisheh Any Christian who thinks the law is abolished. Who think they are free to sin until the cows come home and still inherit eternal life. Anyone who is claiming that the law is abolished wouldn't be very Christ like when he stated the opposite. Look, you are missing the point of Salvation. It is not by your works. Your righteous works will not get you there. You must understand that Jesus is the only way. He paid the ultimate price for you. Of course if you truly believe on him as the ultimate sacrifice, good works are going to follow. And you are going to do your best follow the law. But anyone claiming that they are without sin, blameless, and all righteous is a liar and a hypocrit. Jesus was the only one without blemish, and the only one without sin. You are not going to fool me. |
Monotheism User ID: 71443058 Sweden 02/10/2016 01:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Who does that? Who said any such thing?? Who are you pointing your finger at??? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71438724 Who does that? Who said any such thing?? Who are you pointing your finger at??? Who does that? Who said any such thing?? Who are you pointing your finger at??? Who does that? Who said any such thing?? Who are you pointing your finger at??? Who does that? Who said any such thing?? Who are you pointing your finger at??? Who does that? Who said any such thing?? Who are you pointing your finger at??? Who does that? Who said any such thing?? Who are you pointing your finger at??? Who does that? Who said any such thing?? Who are you pointing your finger at??? Who does that? Who said any such thing?? Who are you pointing your finger at??? Who does that? Who said any such thing?? Who are you pointing your finger at??? Who does that? Who said any such thing?? Who are you pointing your finger at??? All of those Laws are somehow abolished if you say some type of chant/prayer/incantation ??? Quoting: Itiswhatitisheh Any Christian who thinks the law is abolished. Who think they are free to sin until the cows come home and still inherit eternal life. Anyone who is claiming that the law is abolished wouldn't be very Christ like when he stated the opposite. Look, you are missing the point of Salvation. It is not by your works. Your righteous works will not get you there. You must understand that Jesus is the only way. He paid the ultimate price for you. Of course if you truly believe on him as the ultimate sacrifice, good works are going to follow. And you are going to do your best follow the law. But anyone claiming that they are without sin, blameless, and all righteous is a liar and a hypocrit. Jesus was the only one without blemish, and the only one without sin. You are not going to fool me. Righteousness is what you do, nothing else. The principles of righteousness are clearly established in the Tanakh, and faith alone theology is nowhere to be seen. It's not on the map. 1 John 3:7 Dear children, do not let anyone lead you astray. The one who does what is right is righteous, just as he is righteous. Luke 1:5-6 5 There was in the days of Herod, the king of Judea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the division of Abijah. His wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elizabeth. 6 And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of YHWH blameless. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 25580638 United States 02/11/2016 11:16 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71438724 Who does that? Who said any such thing?? Who are you pointing your finger at??? ... Who does that? Who said any such thing?? Who are you pointing your finger at??? ... Who does that? Who said any such thing?? Who are you pointing your finger at??? ... Who does that? Who said any such thing?? Who are you pointing your finger at??? ... Who does that? Who said any such thing?? Who are you pointing your finger at??? ... Who does that? Who said any such thing?? Who are you pointing your finger at??? ... Who does that? Who said any such thing?? Who are you pointing your finger at??? ... Who does that? Who said any such thing?? Who are you pointing your finger at??? ... Who does that? Who said any such thing?? Who are you pointing your finger at??? ... Who does that? Who said any such thing?? Who are you pointing your finger at??? ... Who does that? Who said any such thing?? Who are you pointing your finger at??? ... Who does that? Who said any such thing?? Who are you pointing your finger at??? Any Christian who thinks the law is abolished. Who think they are free to sin until the cows come home and still inherit eternal life. Anyone who is claiming that the law is abolished wouldn't be very Christ like when he stated the opposite. Look, you are missing the point of Salvation. It is not by your works. Your righteous works will not get you there. You must understand that Jesus is the only way. He paid the ultimate price for you. Of course if you truly believe on him as the ultimate sacrifice, good works are going to follow. And you are going to do your best follow the law. But anyone claiming that they are without sin, blameless, and all righteous is a liar and a hypocrit. Jesus was the only one without blemish, and the only one without sin. You are not going to fool me. Righteousness is what you do, nothing else. The principles of righteousness are clearly established in the Tanakh, and faith alone theology is nowhere to be seen. It's not on the map. 1 John 3:7 Dear children, do not let anyone lead you astray. The one who does what is right is righteous, just as he is righteous. Luke 1:5-6 5 There was in the days of Herod, the king of Judea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the division of Abijah. His wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elizabeth. 6 And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of YHWH blameless. I have no quarrel with you regarding the fact that righteous works are expected from the saved. Romans: As it is written, there is none righteous, no not one. Your righteous works will not get you there, why do you think the righteous are scarcely saved. Because they don't believe, or except God's grace through belief on Jesus Christ. 1 Peter 4:18 And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear? 2 Peter 1:1 Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ: Romans 3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin. Romans 3:24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: Romans 4:2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God. Romans 5:1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ: Romans 5:9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 63584772 United States 02/12/2016 01:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70714807 Go ahead and slaughter us then, for speaking the truth. “And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.” Matthew 10:28. So apart from wanting to die in order to avoid answering a question just how DID all the millions of people who never heard of god have any chance at all of avoiding being burnt alive forever after being forced against their will into existence in some remote culture? You still wont answer. Why? Ashamed of your god of hate and eternal torture? God only hates those who hate him. If you love him with all your heart and all your strength, and believe that he sent Jesus to suffer and die for your sins and then raised him from the dead, you will be his child forever. These are some versus that come to mind, but I'm not judge, only he is. Romans 1:19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. Romans 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: Romans 1:21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Romans 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, Romans 1:23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. You STILL did not answer the question. Why? Is it because you beleive god will burn all those millions of people who never heard of him alive forever? I take it the answer is yes. And you are too ashamed to admit it. Please read the verses I listed above. God is all righteous and will judge accordingly. I don't believe he would send anyone to Hell who hasn't had an opportunity according to his Word. We don't need to bother ourselves worrying how he will Judge. Because he is always right and will judge correctly. |
Monotheism User ID: 71460275 Sweden 02/12/2016 04:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Itiswhatitisheh Any Christian who thinks the law is abolished. Who think they are free to sin until the cows come home and still inherit eternal life. Anyone who is claiming that the law is abolished wouldn't be very Christ like when he stated the opposite. Look, you are missing the point of Salvation. It is not by your works. Your righteous works will not get you there. You must understand that Jesus is the only way. He paid the ultimate price for you. Of course if you truly believe on him as the ultimate sacrifice, good works are going to follow. And you are going to do your best follow the law. But anyone claiming that they are without sin, blameless, and all righteous is a liar and a hypocrit. Jesus was the only one without blemish, and the only one without sin. You are not going to fool me. Righteousness is what you do, nothing else. The principles of righteousness are clearly established in the Tanakh, and faith alone theology is nowhere to be seen. It's not on the map. 1 John 3:7 Dear children, do not let anyone lead you astray. The one who does what is right is righteous, just as he is righteous. Luke 1:5-6 5 There was in the days of Herod, the king of Judea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the division of Abijah. His wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elizabeth. 6 And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of YHWH blameless. I have no quarrel with you regarding the fact that righteous works are expected from the saved. Romans: As it is written, there is none righteous, no not one. Your righteous works will not get you there, why do you think the righteous are scarcely saved. Because they don't believe, or except God's grace through belief on Jesus Christ. 1 Peter 4:18 And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear? 2 Peter 1:1 Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ: Romans 3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin. Romans 3:24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: Romans 4:2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God. Romans 5:1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ: Romans 5:9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him. It's not saved first, then righteous works. It's not once saved, always saved. That's false Christian theology; and not surprising most verse you quote are from Romans, and not a single of Jesus' own words. God's word tells us what righteousness is, and tells us it is attainable. There's a reason 1 John 3:7 tells us: Dear children, do not let anyone lead you astray. The one who does what is right is righteous, just as he is righteous. And claiming no one is righteous (Romans 3:10) is evidently false, and one of the most misappropriated verse by Christianity. And it's easy to prove by merely reading the cited poetry of Solomon in context. If Solomon didn't believe any man to be righteous why did he just five verse earlier tell us he had seen the rightoues die in righteousness? He's clearly being hyperbolic. Noah was rightoues, Daniel was righteous, Job was righteous. There's a reason Christians love to quote Romans 4:2 but then sweep James 2:21 under the rug. James 2:21 Was not our father Abraham considered righteous for what he did when he offered his son Isaac on the altar? Besides that, Abraham had emunah, firmness in God. A word in itself action oriented. [link to graceintorah.net] |