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this was back in the nineties, as a young Marine training in 29 Palms, California. way out in the middle of nowhere, beautiful wide open sky, no town or lights for many miles. after a long day of training, we were kicking back on the desert floor, staring at the stars. my buddy, elbows me, and is kinda freaking out. he asks me "what the hell is that" and points at a star. i laughed it off and figured he saw a sattelite, which were so clear out there. he grabbed my shoulder and pointed at a star, and told me to watch. i humored him..and sure as shit..after a few minutes, the star MOVED. literally what looked exactly like a star or sattelite, moved to another star..directly on it, and stopped. we watched this happen repeatedly for hours.
"The sick individual finds himself at home with all other similarly sick individuals. The whole culture is geared to this kind of pathology. The result is that the average individual does not experience the separateness and isolation the fully schizophrenic person feels. He feels at ease among those who suffer from the same deformation; in fact, it is the fully sane person who feels isolated in the insane society — and he may suffer so much from the incapacity to communicate that it is he who may become psychotic." Erich Fromm

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so basically, its what looks to be a sattelite, that moves between, and hides behind stars from our perspective. obviously sattelites in the nineties should not be able to drastically change trajectory, much less come to a complete stop.
"The sick individual finds himself at home with all other similarly sick individuals. The whole culture is geared to this kind of pathology. The result is that the average individual does not experience the separateness and isolation the fully schizophrenic person feels. He feels at ease among those who suffer from the same deformation; in fact, it is the fully sane person who feels isolated in the insane society — and he may suffer so much from the incapacity to communicate that it is he who may become psychotic." Erich Fromm

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needless to say, i couldnt explain this away. just thinking about how whatever it was knew how to precisely align itself on a star from the earths perspective still messes with me
"The sick individual finds himself at home with all other similarly sick individuals. The whole culture is geared to this kind of pathology. The result is that the average individual does not experience the separateness and isolation the fully schizophrenic person feels. He feels at ease among those who suffer from the same deformation; in fact, it is the fully sane person who feels isolated in the insane society — and he may suffer so much from the incapacity to communicate that it is he who may become psychotic." Erich Fromm

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one starred..thanks for the irony, jackass
"The sick individual finds himself at home with all other similarly sick individuals. The whole culture is geared to this kind of pathology. The result is that the average individual does not experience the separateness and isolation the fully schizophrenic person feels. He feels at ease among those who suffer from the same deformation; in fact, it is the fully sane person who feels isolated in the insane society — and he may suffer so much from the incapacity to communicate that it is he who may become psychotic." Erich Fromm

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seen a silver orb high in the sky clear blue in the morning

caught my attention. Watched it move around in strange directions really fast. It sped up and slowed down and turned basically any way it wanted. Went one direction and came back the same way then back again and changed directions completely.
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I haven't seen this particular phenomenon, but I will share my story.

One night I forgot the time and date, I witnessed along with many other witnesses, 1 - 2 -3 bright blue/white lights appear in the sky. Roughly at looked like maybe 2000 feet in the air, now the interesting thing about these lights. They appeared in exactly the same position and remained in that position, they formed a PERFECT triangle formation and maintained that position for approximately 2 minutes. Before the really interesting part, they all "blinked out" of existence maybe the top light went first, then the bottom two all within the space of 1-2 seconds. I have seen much air traffic in my life, and have a habit of observing aircraft both day and night in particular. I have never seen lights of this specific frequency before / after this night. Leading me to believe this was some kind of either alien or top-secret terrestrial technology.
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I forgot to mention these lights were positioned vertically, not above us. Making the craft (if it was a craft) standing vertically in the air.
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i figured there had to be some stargazers here who may have seen this too
"The sick individual finds himself at home with all other similarly sick individuals. The whole culture is geared to this kind of pathology. The result is that the average individual does not experience the separateness and isolation the fully schizophrenic person feels. He feels at ease among those who suffer from the same deformation; in fact, it is the fully sane person who feels isolated in the insane society — and he may suffer so much from the incapacity to communicate that it is he who may become psychotic." Erich Fromm

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also the thing I seen moved 'impossibly' smooth-like.

I didn't know what the term 'anti gravity' meant until I seen this thing



Seen a MIB once too. Real trippy. They are some sort of power in the world. Black suit, black hat, tall, white. Very old fashioned CIA feel. They are telepathic, too. They have this vibe of, 'we're in control' to the point that it just goes without saying. What control that is I really don't know, but there is a supernatural presence involved. A sort of 'hand in everything'. 'You see that? We did that'
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ive seen strange lights, but this was just inexplicable. this was something the exact same size as a star, and it was like it was playing hide and seek...moving randomly from star to star. in different directions. almost like it was mocking what i thought of reality
"The sick individual finds himself at home with all other similarly sick individuals. The whole culture is geared to this kind of pathology. The result is that the average individual does not experience the separateness and isolation the fully schizophrenic person feels. He feels at ease among those who suffer from the same deformation; in fact, it is the fully sane person who feels isolated in the insane society — and he may suffer so much from the incapacity to communicate that it is he who may become psychotic." Erich Fromm

"One of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors." Plato
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Fact: They imitate stars, they are telepathic, they can shapeshift. These are my experiences. Strong speculation that they are tied to consciousness.
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From Wikipedia of Harley Rutledge:


Early life and career

In 1966, Harley Rutledge completed his Ph.D. in solid state physics at the University of Missouri. He subsequently took the position of Professor and Chairman of the Physics Department at Southeast Missouri State University. He was Department Chairman from 1964 to 1982 and retired from teaching in 1992.
UFO Research

Challenged to explain sightings of unidentified lights and luminous phenomena in the sky around Piedmont, Missouri, Dr. Harley Rutledge decided to subject these reports to scientific analysis. He put together a team of observers with college training in the physical sciences, including a large array of equipment: RF spectrum analyzers, Questar telescopes, low-high frequency audio detectors, electromagnetic frequency analyzer, cameras, and a galvanometer to measure variations in the Earth's gravitational field.

The resulting Project Identification commenced in April 1973, logging several hundred hours of observation time. This was the first UFO scientific field study, able to monitor the phenomena in real-time, enabling Rutledge to calculate the objects' actual velocity, course, position, distance, and size.

Observation of the unclouded night sky often revealed "pseudostars" - stationary lights camouflaged by familiar constellations. Some objects appeared to mimic the appearance of known aircraft; others violated the laws of physics. The most startling discovery was that on at least 32 recorded occasions, the movement of the lights synchronized with actions of the observers. They appeared to respond to a light being switched on and off, and to verbal or radio messages. The final results of this project were documented in the 1981 book, Project Identification: The first Scientific Study of UFO Phenomena.

Harley Rutledge, 80, former chairman of the physics department at Southeast Missouri State University, died on Monday, June 5, 2006 at the Missouri Veterans Home
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From Wikipedia of Harley Rutledge:


Early life and career

In 1966, Harley Rutledge completed his Ph.D. in solid state physics at the University of Missouri. He subsequently took the position of Professor and Chairman of the Physics Department at Southeast Missouri State University. He was Department Chairman from 1964 to 1982 and retired from teaching in 1992.
UFO Research

Challenged to explain sightings of unidentified lights and luminous phenomena in the sky around Piedmont, Missouri, Dr. Harley Rutledge decided to subject these reports to scientific analysis. He put together a team of observers with college training in the physical sciences, including a large array of equipment: RF spectrum analyzers, Questar telescopes, low-high frequency audio detectors, electromagnetic frequency analyzer, cameras, and a galvanometer to measure variations in the Earth's gravitational field.

The resulting Project Identification commenced in April 1973, logging several hundred hours of observation time. This was the first UFO scientific field study, able to monitor the phenomena in real-time, enabling Rutledge to calculate the objects' actual velocity, course, position, distance, and size.

Observation of the unclouded night sky often revealed "pseudostars" - stationary lights camouflaged by familiar constellations. Some objects appeared to mimic the appearance of known aircraft; others violated the laws of physics. The most startling discovery was that on at least 32 recorded occasions, the movement of the lights synchronized with actions of the observers. They appeared to respond to a light being switched on and off, and to verbal or radio messages. The final results of this project were documented in the 1981 book, Project Identification: The first Scientific Study of UFO Phenomena.

Harley Rutledge, 80, former chairman of the physics department at Southeast Missouri State University, died on Monday, June 5, 2006 at the Missouri Veterans Home
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damn! see, this why i love GLP!
"The sick individual finds himself at home with all other similarly sick individuals. The whole culture is geared to this kind of pathology. The result is that the average individual does not experience the separateness and isolation the fully schizophrenic person feels. He feels at ease among those who suffer from the same deformation; in fact, it is the fully sane person who feels isolated in the insane society — and he may suffer so much from the incapacity to communicate that it is he who may become psychotic." Erich Fromm

"One of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors." Plato
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ive seen strange lights, but this was just inexplicable. this was something the exact same size as a star, and it was like it was playing hide and seek...moving randomly from star to star. in different directions. almost like it was mocking what i thought of reality
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yeah you have to keep an open mind. But it makes you wonder. I feel like our reality is compromised. On some level. Sometimes I feel like what we perceive was reality and what is actually happening is completely different. We're definitely in some sort of matrix system. For instance the tech that exists outside of public knowledge is so much more advanced than the average person knows or is willing to accept. They have cloaking tech and some sort of invisible vehicle tech too. I think that in any major city they have the grid 'downloaded' into a computer system, where they can operate from a computer through the matrix in real-time and have thousands of 'agents' just roaming around anywhere they like to without people noticing. They could stand right in front of you just observing and you would never know but I have myself and met others that peak beyond the veil, somehow someway.


The stars seem like portals. What I have learned is that this conspiracy is so directly tied to everything that has happened throughout history, that where we are today was planned down to the details a very long time ago. There is a hand at work keeping people from having true knowledge of everything working above us and it is our lack of true knowledge that is leading to our destruction.
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From Wikipedia of Harley Rutledge:


Early life and career

In 1966, Harley Rutledge completed his Ph.D. in solid state physics at the University of Missouri. He subsequently took the position of Professor and Chairman of the Physics Department at Southeast Missouri State University. He was Department Chairman from 1964 to 1982 and retired from teaching in 1992.
UFO Research

Challenged to explain sightings of unidentified lights and luminous phenomena in the sky around Piedmont, Missouri, Dr. Harley Rutledge decided to subject these reports to scientific analysis. He put together a team of observers with college training in the physical sciences, including a large array of equipment: RF spectrum analyzers, Questar telescopes, low-high frequency audio detectors, electromagnetic frequency analyzer, cameras, and a galvanometer to measure variations in the Earth's gravitational field.

The resulting Project Identification commenced in April 1973, logging several hundred hours of observation time. This was the first UFO scientific field study, able to monitor the phenomena in real-time, enabling Rutledge to calculate the objects' actual velocity, course, position, distance, and size.

Observation of the unclouded night sky often revealed "pseudostars" - stationary lights camouflaged by familiar constellations. Some objects appeared to mimic the appearance of known aircraft; others violated the laws of physics. The most startling discovery was that on at least 32 recorded occasions, the movement of the lights synchronized with actions of the observers. They appeared to respond to a light being switched on and off, and to verbal or radio messages. The final results of this project were documented in the 1981 book, Project Identification: The first Scientific Study of UFO Phenomena.

Harley Rutledge, 80, former chairman of the physics department at Southeast Missouri State University, died on Monday, June 5, 2006 at the Missouri Veterans Home
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damn! see, this why i love GLP!
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and this, to me sounds like quantum physics. and the observed, vs. unobserved particles
"The sick individual finds himself at home with all other similarly sick individuals. The whole culture is geared to this kind of pathology. The result is that the average individual does not experience the separateness and isolation the fully schizophrenic person feels. He feels at ease among those who suffer from the same deformation; in fact, it is the fully sane person who feels isolated in the insane society — and he may suffer so much from the incapacity to communicate that it is he who may become psychotic." Erich Fromm

"One of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors." Plato
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From Wikipedia of Harley Rutledge:


Early life and career

In 1966, Harley Rutledge completed his Ph.D. in solid state physics at the University of Missouri. He subsequently took the position of Professor and Chairman of the Physics Department at Southeast Missouri State University. He was Department Chairman from 1964 to 1982 and retired from teaching in 1992.
UFO Research

Challenged to explain sightings of unidentified lights and luminous phenomena in the sky around Piedmont, Missouri, Dr. Harley Rutledge decided to subject these reports to scientific analysis. He put together a team of observers with college training in the physical sciences, including a large array of equipment: RF spectrum analyzers, Questar telescopes, low-high frequency audio detectors, electromagnetic frequency analyzer, cameras, and a galvanometer to measure variations in the Earth's gravitational field.

The resulting Project Identification commenced in April 1973, logging several hundred hours of observation time. This was the first UFO scientific field study, able to monitor the phenomena in real-time, enabling Rutledge to calculate the objects' actual velocity, course, position, distance, and size.

Observation of the unclouded night sky often revealed "pseudostars" - stationary lights camouflaged by familiar constellations. Some objects appeared to mimic the appearance of known aircraft; others violated the laws of physics. The most startling discovery was that on at least 32 recorded occasions, the movement of the lights synchronized with actions of the observers. They appeared to respond to a light being switched on and off, and to verbal or radio messages. The final results of this project were documented in the 1981 book, Project Identification: The first Scientific Study of UFO Phenomena.

Harley Rutledge, 80, former chairman of the physics department at Southeast Missouri State University, died on Monday, June 5, 2006 at the Missouri Veterans Home
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damn! see, this why i love GLP!
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and this, to me sounds like quantum physics. and the observed, vs. unobserved particles
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Yes, I believe it goes beyond our known physical laws. At this point in my discoveries, its just speculation, but we do know they exist, and they are intelligent, but not much more than that.
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They would have had to know you were looking because they would only line up properly from your perspective anyone over a couole of miles away wouldnsee it differently
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i know what i witnessed. and also, if i hadnt seen it myself, if he had just told me the next day, i would have laughed it off and said he saw a sattelite
"The sick individual finds himself at home with all other similarly sick individuals. The whole culture is geared to this kind of pathology. The result is that the average individual does not experience the separateness and isolation the fully schizophrenic person feels. He feels at ease among those who suffer from the same deformation; in fact, it is the fully sane person who feels isolated in the insane society — and he may suffer so much from the incapacity to communicate that it is he who may become psychotic." Erich Fromm

"One of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors." Plato
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They would have had to know you were looking because they would only line up properly from your perspective anyone over a couole of miles away wouldnsee it differently
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and thats why it stuck with me all these years. the trigonomotry alone is mind boggling..and thats why if fucked with my head. i thought that at first too, but u are forgetting a key element. DISTANCE.
"The sick individual finds himself at home with all other similarly sick individuals. The whole culture is geared to this kind of pathology. The result is that the average individual does not experience the separateness and isolation the fully schizophrenic person feels. He feels at ease among those who suffer from the same deformation; in fact, it is the fully sane person who feels isolated in the insane society — and he may suffer so much from the incapacity to communicate that it is he who may become psychotic." Erich Fromm

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They would have had to know you were looking because they would only line up properly from your perspective anyone over a couole of miles away wouldnsee it differently
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and thats why it stuck with me all these years. the trigonomotry alone is mind boggling..and thats why if fucked with my head. i thought that at first too, but u are forgetting a key element. DISTANCE.
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They are usually closer than they appear.
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and also..what could possibly be the purpose of moving randomly between stars?
"The sick individual finds himself at home with all other similarly sick individuals. The whole culture is geared to this kind of pathology. The result is that the average individual does not experience the separateness and isolation the fully schizophrenic person feels. He feels at ease among those who suffer from the same deformation; in fact, it is the fully sane person who feels isolated in the insane society — and he may suffer so much from the incapacity to communicate that it is he who may become psychotic." Erich Fromm

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and also..what could possibly be the purpose of moving randomly between stars?
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You got me. Million dollar question. But thats not the only thing they do that is weird. They also imitate aircraft.
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They would have had to know you were looking because they would only line up properly from your perspective anyone over a couole of miles away wouldnsee it differently
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and thats why it stuck with me all these years. the trigonomotry alone is mind boggling..and thats why if fucked with my head. i thought that at first too, but u are forgetting a key element. DISTANCE.
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They are usually closer than they appear.
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maybe, but i dont think so.
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These things have been around for a long time, they were called foo fighters in WW2.
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and also..what could possibly be the purpose of moving randomly between stars?
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You got me. Million dollar question. But thats not the only thing they do that is weird. They also imitate aircraft.
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i guess its just easier for me to deal with unknown craft in our atmosphere messing around, than to see things pretending to be stars. i dont know how to explain why that disturbed me so much, other than it was impossible to our known physics
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and also..what could possibly be the purpose of moving randomly between stars?
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You got me. Million dollar question. But thats not the only thing they do that is weird. They also imitate aircraft.
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i guess its just easier for me to deal with unknown craft in our atmosphere messing around, than to see things pretending to be stars. i dont know how to explain why that disturbed me so much, other than it was impossible to our known physics
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You might be better off not pursuing an answer to your experience. Its like trying to explain why an Ouija board works. But I do think we are shown these things for a reason, even if that reason doesn't make itself known immediately.
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and also..what could possibly be the purpose of moving randomly between stars?
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You got me. Million dollar question. But thats not the only thing they do that is weird. They also imitate aircraft.
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i guess its just easier for me to deal with unknown craft in our atmosphere messing around, than to see things pretending to be stars. i dont know how to explain why that disturbed me so much, other than it was impossible to our known physics
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You might be better off not pursuing an answer to your experience. Its like trying to explain why an Ouija board works. But I do think we are shown these things for a reason, even if that reason doesn't make itself known immediately.
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ha. im a seeker. better off or not, i wont quit seeking an answer.
"The sick individual finds himself at home with all other similarly sick individuals. The whole culture is geared to this kind of pathology. The result is that the average individual does not experience the separateness and isolation the fully schizophrenic person feels. He feels at ease among those who suffer from the same deformation; in fact, it is the fully sane person who feels isolated in the insane society — and he may suffer so much from the incapacity to communicate that it is he who may become psychotic." Erich Fromm

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Saw exactly what you're talking about, only around 2000, 2001. I thought it was a star, then it moved slowly side to side, made a "u" and I went to wake my little brother up, came back and it was gone. Sad I didn't see how it left.

It was really slow, almost to the point that it seemed like it wasn't moving, if you just glanced at it. It was moving, however, and easy to see it move by using stars to tack where it was and where it was moving. It went side to side, down, then up, for about 15 min. That's when I wanted a witness and lost it when I got back.

This was in Oregon, around 1am, probably around January or February. I was in a hot tub out in central oregon.
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Saw exactly what you're talking about, only around 2000, 2001. I thought it was a star, then it moved slowly side to side, made a "u" and I went to wake my little brother up, came back and it was gone. Sad I didn't see how it left.

It was really slow, almost to the point that it seemed like it wasn't moving, if you just glanced at it. It was moving, however, and easy to see it move by using stars to tack where it was and where it was moving. It went side to side, down, then up, for about 15 min. That's when I wanted a witness and lost it when I got back.

This was in Oregon, around 1am, probably around January or February. I was in a hot tub out in central oregon.
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thank u!
"The sick individual finds himself at home with all other similarly sick individuals. The whole culture is geared to this kind of pathology. The result is that the average individual does not experience the separateness and isolation the fully schizophrenic person feels. He feels at ease among those who suffer from the same deformation; in fact, it is the fully sane person who feels isolated in the insane society — and he may suffer so much from the incapacity to communicate that it is he who may become psychotic." Erich Fromm

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I saw this particular phenomenon once when I was in Adelaide. It would have been the very early 90s. I watched what I thought was a satellite move across the sky.... then it moved to what looked like a star, moved directly under or over it and then... didn't come out the other side.
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02/07/2016 04:27 AM
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Re: UFO story, looking for others who have seen this
of course, it also begs the question, how many astronomers must have seen this all these years, and not reported it
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