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Being in the world, but not of it - the constant struggle

 
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Jesus, the way, the truth and the life.

Think about Jesus as being truth and read as much as you can in the bible where truth itself is Jesus ... it's a mystery but I'm telling you brother he is how you can be in the world but not part of it.

Our kingdom is not flesh and blood, we belong to a spiritual perfect kingdom. We have hope where the world has none, mercy where the world requires sacrifice, love where the world hates... you'll find jesus among the poor, weak and broken


Humble yourself and you'll be exalted, submit yourself to his bonds and you'll be free
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I could use some help. If you pray or send positive energy my way I would really appreciate it

I am struggling with some minor health issues and am recently single.

Frankly, I'm alone and miserable and almost ready to quit fighting it. The struggle is exhausting.

Thank you in advance
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For you Kev and all who reply to your thread who feel weary...

Thread: All that is foretold to come about as in the days of Noah is upon you.
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There are some great posts here within this thread. I come to GLP to read through whole threads, just to find the dropped gems of wisdom which inevitably are found here and there.

One thing I would contribute is to drop the dramatics. A lot of people living at a lower frequency wrongly interpret that with any challenge it is an excuse to throw in the towel, jump up and down, create drama and perpetuate it... either because they are an attention whore, or they feel it spices life up, whatever.

No, drop the drama, go within as others have said. Learn your inner strength. Know that death is transition only, so what is all the drama about, anyway? Most things that happen to people is not death everywhere they look, most things that happen lead to discomfort, or hurt ego, challenge. But nothing that cannot be overcome with a turned on spirituality that gives you meaning in life, willpower, consistency, love in abundance to share outwards, and love to share with yourself inwardly.

A lot of people confuse the feeling of excitement and the feeling of ecstacy. Ecstatic moments are silent moments. Excitement is noise and bluster, best avoided.
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The best way to do it is work for yourself and have a spouse that shares the same principles. It's not much of a struggle when you control most of what is happening in your life. Keep your door closed to outside influence, most entertainment and enjoyment will come from physical activities.
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Your brother was right! But that IS the choice, isn't it? Do I value worldly success, or my soul? There's no compromise ..... you can't serve both God and Mammon.

Me - I don't play the game. I'm self employed, making toys for children. I have few possessions, no car or TV, one pair of shoes and about three outfits; oh, and some books. My bank balance is 00.00.
But you don't need much! My two rooms are full of colour and plants, I have a beautiful cat, I am lucky enough to live near the beach, and have a view of the sea. I have no complaints!
To be in the world but not of it, means: you are alive, and walking around in 3D, but simultaneously, your consciousness is in another dimension, the Kingdom of Heaven. So you're always joyful, and your needs are always met. 'Seek ye first ....'
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I love this answer!

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I could use some help. If you pray or send positive energy my way I would really appreciate it

I am struggling with some minor health issues and am recently single.

Frankly, I'm alone and miserable and almost ready to quit fighting it. The struggle is exhausting.

Thank you in advance
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I will pray for you and send you some positive energy Beloved.

Hang in there. We are in a temporary situation.

Jesus sure does help too.

Love, hugs
Goddess

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I see a lot posts lately, more than ever, about being in this world but not of it and how exactly to do that without becoming jaded or cynical or completely losing faith in God, in ourselves, in humanity as a whole.

My brother told me a long time ago that no matter what your beliefs are or how strong your spirituality is, if you want to make it in this world, you have to "play the game." Turns out, he was right to some extent - more than I would like to admit.

So how can we be "not of this world," and hang on to our faith, while at the same time "playing the game" so we can keep food on the table and the lights turned on..? I'm looking for honest thoughts, insights and wisdom, hoping that others who are feeling this way (including myself) - and especially younger ones looking for some advice - can come here and maybe find something that helps them in some way, or at least lets them know they are not alone in their struggle.
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Being in the world but not of it, does not mean giving up, or folding. It requires a faith that is visible to others as something they would desire. How that is accomplished is by understanding that as a follower of messiah, we must not knuckle under to worldly pressures. People, are poor, and rich, on all sides of the coin...there are rich atheists, and rich Muslims, as well as rich Christians. However it is the rich Christians God will judge as to how they handled their wealth. Messiah said, the poor will always be with you, he did not say you will always be the poor. Adversity will come on everyone. The rain falls on the just and the unjust. We are where we are at financially mostly because of our own choices, or because of the choices of others. Being in the world,but not of it means understanding that this is not home, we should not enjoy being here, and we should be longing to take as many as will believe God with us at the final trumpet.
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Yes, Christianity is very funny like that. God put you here, chooses you as a believer, then tells you that you are now a stranger. That this world is no longer your home and you are now to live by faith not by site. Yet it is a constant struggle. If you play the game of the world you seem to secede and get ahead. If you try to please God it as if you are pushing against a constant current. You don't ever get ahead, you struggle thru life in many areas. And as a Christian if you are honest to yourself and with God, many of your prayers even seen to land on deaf ears. Jesus tells ask you we will receive that our Joy shall be full. How many times do we ask? I would have to say most prayers are unanswered, or the answer is not continue to suffer. I would love to know what kind of game God is playing with us?
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Religion teaches you how to pray, but not how to truly listen to God. Once you ask God something, you must be quiet in your mind so that God can reveal the truth. The Holy Spirit is your teacher and will reveal things to you. You must learn how to be still so that God's wisdom can be pushed into your mind. God is pure consciousness and will speak to you through the mind. God doesn't have to be mysterious and it is your responsibility to get out of the way of your own thoughts to hear his!
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I have never in my entire life been able to 'not think'.

I am just learning to accept that without being angry at people who expect more from me than what and who I am.

to 'let go' of the feeling that because I can't not think I'm somehow different and defective than the rest of humanity.

or that I am the only one on the planet that will never 'get it'.

so I am just accepting right now the fact that I am a thinking and feeling being AND ALWAYS WILL BE.

and be okay with that.

because it IS who I am.
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Buddha told me: Mind is irrelevant.

Life is Seeking.
God is No Seeking.
The Radical Understanding of this is Grace.
Fall into Grace.
Then always contemplate Grace as Feeling instead of thinking.
Grace is Fullness and Bliss.
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I could use some help. If you pray or send positive energy my way I would really appreciate it

I am struggling with some minor health issues and am recently single.

Frankly, I'm alone and miserable and almost ready to quit fighting it. The struggle is exhausting.

Thank you in advance
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I found that when I quit struggling, quit fighting and just turned all of it over to God, then it all changed. That was a long time ago, but sometime I still take a stab at the old struggle, and I find I'm no more capable of winning a battle than I was then. If you know what I mean.

It isn't giving up, it is giving it away and trusting God, trusting that he really will take good care of me.
*** Good deeds bring rewards, bad actions bring troubles. That is a law of the universe. ***
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I have never in my entire life been able to 'not think'.

I am just learning to accept that without being angry at people who expect more from me than what and who I am.

to 'let go' of the feeling that because I can't not think I'm somehow different and defective than the rest of humanity.

or that I am the only one on the planet that will never 'get it'.

so I am just accepting right now the fact that I am a thinking and feeling being AND ALWAYS WILL BE.

and be okay with that.

because it IS who I am.
 Quoting: jesskeira Kaadwalladeyr


One time I discovered that when I am listening intently, I am not thinking.

But I have never tried to construct a spiritual practice around that.
*** Good deeds bring rewards, bad actions bring troubles. That is a law of the universe. ***
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I see a lot posts lately, more than ever, about being in this world but not of it and how exactly to do that without becoming jaded or cynical or completely losing faith in God, in ourselves, in humanity as a whole.

My brother told me a long time ago that no matter what your beliefs are or how strong your spirituality is, if you want to make it in this world, you have to "play the game." Turns out, he was right to some extent - more than I would like to admit.

So how can we be "not of this world," and hang on to our faith, while at the same time "playing the game" so we can keep food on the table and the lights turned on..? I'm looking for honest thoughts, insights and wisdom, hoping that others who are feeling this way (including myself) - and especially younger ones looking for some advice - can come here and maybe find something that helps them in some way, or at least lets them know they are not alone in their struggle.
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Oh for the love of god, one of these posts..yeah yeah..you are gods servant..blah blah blah. Take a bath!
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I could use some help. If you pray or send positive energy my way I would really appreciate it

I am struggling with some minor health issues and am recently single.

Frankly, I'm alone and miserable and almost ready to quit fighting it. The struggle is exhausting.

Thank you in advance
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I will pray for you and send you some positive energy Beloved.

Hang in there. We are in a temporary situation.

Jesus sure does help too.

Love, hugs
Goddess

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Thank you
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I have never in my entire life been able to 'not think'.

I am just learning to accept that without being angry at people who expect more from me than what and who I am.

to 'let go' of the feeling that because I can't not think I'm somehow different and defective than the rest of humanity.

or that I am the only one on the planet that will never 'get it'.

so I am just accepting right now the fact that I am a thinking and feeling being AND ALWAYS WILL BE.

and be okay with that.

because it IS who I am.
 Quoting: jesskeira Kaadwalladeyr


One time I discovered that when I am listening intently, I am not thinking.

But I have never tried to construct a spiritual practice around that.
 Quoting: Lily o' the Valley


God is the Supreme Meditator.

Just do what God does.

God contemplates His Own Nature without Seeking.

This is Radical Understanding.

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Easy. The "game" is not just one life time for your spirit, it is thousands into eternity. This one life is just a blip, and we do it again, and again experiencing infinite variations of manifestation. Don't take this one life so seriously.
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Dear OP,

I've been there. Here's what's has gotten me to where I am today:

1. Find your friend in history. The questions you ask have been asked before, and no one is any closer to the answer. My friend was Kierkegaard. Reading him was like reading my own thoughts 100 years ago in dim candlelight.

2. Live in the question or live in the answer. Which brings you peace? You can live in the question - as a philosopher - and constantly seek solutions to the problems of existence. Or, you can live in the answer - inside a solution for existence that validates your own.

3. Be weird. As the saying goes, 'the definition of reality invalidates the normal personality'. We're on a planet in outer space. If the sun stops shining, we all die. Yet, we wake up and go to work and pay our bills. Why? We repress the facts of existence in favor of an appropriate illusion that keeps us 'sane'. Read "The Denial of Death" by Ernest Becker or "The Human Evansion" online by Celia Green.

My solution was in Christ: the end of nihilism was page 1 of the Bible. When you live in the question and press it to the 'nth' degree, you are counseled by God: "Do not eat from the tree of knowledge" - in other words, don't live in the question, live in the answer - salvation through Christ.

God presented himself as both - the burning bush - alpha and omega simultaneously. Was He was saying was that God is a paradox in human form, and you're not going to understand it. Just have faith.
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Jesus, the way, the truth and the life.

Think about Jesus as being truth and read as much as you can in the bible where truth itself is Jesus ... it's a mystery but I'm telling you brother he is how you can be in the world but not part of it.

Our kingdom is not flesh and blood, we belong to a spiritual perfect kingdom. We have hope where the world has none, mercy where the world requires sacrifice, love where the world hates... you'll find jesus among the poor, weak and broken


Humble yourself and you'll be exalted, submit yourself to his bonds and you'll be free
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the sheer ability to posts thoughts on this website, and to be able formulate them fully in a sheltered relatively safe space is itself a luxury-- one that most people who actually had the gull to stop playing and paying to the consensus material asset driven game dont even have because they live outside and pack all their belongings on their backs and mostly have to dedicate their time to getting from point a to point without over stressing their physical organism, and have to almost always be on alert to potential threats from all angles...most modern global technocratic matrix human constituents would likely not be able to handle it.
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Yes, Christianity is very funny like that. God put you here, chooses you as a believer, then tells you that you are now a stranger. That this world is no longer your home and you are now to live by faith not by site. Yet it is a constant struggle. If you play the game of the world you seem to secede and get ahead. If you try to please God it as if you are pushing against a constant current. You don't ever get ahead, you struggle thru life in many areas. And as a Christian if you are honest to yourself and with God, many of your prayers even seen to land on deaf ears. Jesus tells ask you we will receive that our Joy shall be full. How many times do we ask? I would have to say most prayers are unanswered, or the answer is not continue to suffer. I would love to know what kind of game God is playing with us?
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Religion teaches you how to pray, but not how to truly listen to God. Once you ask God something, you must be quiet in your mind so that God can reveal the truth. The Holy Spirit is your teacher and will reveal things to you. You must learn how to be still so that God's wisdom can be pushed into your mind. God is pure consciousness and will speak to you through the mind. God doesn't have to be mysterious and it is your responsibility to get out of the way of your own thoughts to hear his!
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All questions are answered. You just have to listen. Quiet the mind.
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I have been trying to figure this out for a long time. I believe the game can be played but it must be done with Integrity, playing an honest game can be quite difficult, not to mention you must fight the 'darkside ' constantly. We live in a dipolic system, Bipolarity runs our planet and our star through magnetic convectivity, just goes to show we as its parasites would be immersed in this same dual paradigm. John Lear said it pretty well, "Love your family and let them know it daily,live without greed or envy" This adherence should prove to be a good start.Peace my friend.
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I could use some help. If you pray or send positive energy my way I would really appreciate it

I am struggling with some minor health issues and am recently single.

Frankly, I'm alone and miserable and almost ready to quit fighting it. The struggle is exhausting.

Thank you in advance
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I found that when I quit struggling, quit fighting and just turned all of it over to God, then it all changed. That was a long time ago, but sometime I still take a stab at the old struggle, and I find I'm no more capable of winning a battle than I was then. If you know what I mean.

It isn't giving up, it is giving it away and trusting God, trusting that he really will take good care of me.
 Quoting: Lily o' the Valley


Ohh, you mean submitted yourself to be a blind adherent to the christian back scratcher club and so long as you dont get out of line the system will reward you materially. Sounds satanic if you ask me.
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"The Untethered Soul" by Michael Singer is an amazing journey, addressing this exact situation. It slows the crazy mind chatter and gradually allows you to see the real spirit hidden inside. I highly recommend this one!
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Try very very hard to do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

Obey Jesus the best you can, keep a clear conscience, don't compromise your integrity. Prepare to feel lonely.

Read books by old dead guys. Puritans, CS Lewis, even novels from 100 years ago when a man's word was his bond.

Pray every day for grace, knowing you are so totally dependent on God.

Thanks for the post OP. I grieve for the loss of how life was when I was young ( I am 61) and pray for my kids all the time. May the Lord help you and grant you wisdom.
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Try very very hard to do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

Obey Jesus the best you can, keep a clear conscience, don't compromise your integrity. Prepare to feel lonely.

Read books by old dead guys. Puritans, CS Lewis, even novels from 100 years ago when a man's word was his bond.

Pray every day for grace, knowing you are so totally dependent on God.

Thanks for the post OP. I grieve for the loss of how life was when I was young ( I am 61) and pray for my kids all the time. May the Lord help you and grant you wisdom.
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Try very very hard to do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

Obey Jesus the best you can, keep a clear conscience, don't compromise your integrity. Prepare to feel lonely.

Read books by old dead guys. Puritans, CS Lewis, even novels from 100 years ago when a man's word was his bond.

Pray every day for grace, knowing you are so totally dependent on God.

Thanks for the post OP. I grieve for the loss of how life was when I was young ( I am 61) and pray for my kids all the time. May the Lord help you and grant you wisdom.
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Charles Spurgeon is one of the best because his sermons relate to a real Christians walk. Also read or watch (utube) Pilgrims Pride; great story!
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The world is full of ugly people that believe themselves beautiful.
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Easy question, do what makes you happy, follow your passion in life, you wouldn't have played the game if there was no way to win.
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I see a lot posts lately, more than ever, about being in this world but not of it and how exactly to do that without becoming jaded or cynical or completely losing faith in God, in ourselves, in humanity as a whole.

My brother told me a long time ago that no matter what your beliefs are or how strong your spirituality is, if you want to make it in this world, you have to "play the game." Turns out, he was right to some extent - more than I would like to admit.

So how can we be "not of this world," and hang on to our faith, while at the same time "playing the game" so we can keep food on the table and the lights turned on..? I'm looking for honest thoughts, insights and wisdom, hoping that others who are feeling this way (including myself) - and especially younger ones looking for some advice - can come here and maybe find something that helps them in some way, or at least lets them know they are not alone in their struggle.
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