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Venezuala's Socialist Government Begins Starving its Population to Death. As Socialist Governments Always Do

 
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Why work when the Government takes everything you produce, including your income?

That's the downside of socialism. Its based on everyone working to help others who don't. Once the scale tips to more people not working it all falls apart.
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This is what socialism gets you:

For all those college educated (ah, er, indoctrinated) students and other older morons who think that Socialism is the best thing for this county, perhaps they should take a look at a Socialist/Communist paradise to our south. Venezuela.

Some facts they might want to consider before supporting the Sanders / Hillary campaigns.
. In the past week six infants died because their wasn't enough medicine or functioning respirators.
. Chronic power outages have prompted the gov't to begin rationing electricity, darkening homes and shopping malls.
. Homes and apartments regularly suffer water shortages
. Long lines exist to buy whatever food is available.
. Toilet paper is almost non-existant
. Price controls have created shortages for everything from medicine to meat.
. While the economy shrank by 10% last year, and is expected to shrink another 8% this year, oil rich Venezuela has an inflation rate of 700%. The world's worst.
. One in 10 people want to leave the country, and more than a million have already left. (coming here?)
. They have the second highest murder rate in the world - 90 per 100,000. We have 4 per 100,000.
. Venezuela has an 85% chance of defaulting on it's debt in the next 12 months.
. It used to export rice, coffee and meat. Now it imports all three.
. The number of private companies shrank by 20% between 2006 and 2014.
. Finally, for all those single payer, gov't controlled health care enthusiasts, get this. Medical associations and health care specialists say preventable deaths are rising dramatically because of lack of medicine, equipment and doctors. 90% of crucial medicines are scarce. Patients lay on bare beds in rooms with dirty floors. There is often no running water, cleaning supplies or food. Feces floats in toilets, and gang members roam the halls, forcing the remaining underpaid doctors to lock themselves in their offices.

So, since all the Bernie and Hillary voters want all their free stuff, I suggest they move to Venezuela, where you can get the Socialist paradise you obviously seek.


Info from a FB friend of mine who keeps track of this stuff.
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No one has ever loaded their family onto a rickety, homemade raft and pushed out to the open sea to escape capitalism. Just sayin'.
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Isn't Haiti capitalist?
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Uh, no. It is a corrupt dictatorship.
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Which is what the US has become, corrupt to it's core.
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So Bernie, a Democratic Socialist is going to starve America to death? The way that Democratic Socialists have starved Scandinavia to death?

What you morans don't get is thst by deliberately conflating two essentially unrelated system you only accomplish two things:

- you undermine your argument on Socialism, because Americans aren't petrified of becoming like Sweden

And

- you actively convince American kids to embrace socialism, because you convince them that Bernie is pushing socialism and they like what he's pushing.

If you want to fight socialism good, I'm with you, but if you want to conflate socialism and the Nordic Model of capitalism aka Democratic Socialism then I'm not gonna be part of that, because it's obvious that the outcome is more support for socialism in America.

Try and use your brains.
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The US is a socialist country , that's how Obama won his second term, he gave to the inner cities, while the middle class gets taxed to death.
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To me, there is a difference between jewish controlled communism and non-jewish controlled socialism.
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No matter what you call it, it is about making money out of thin air and charging interest.
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Why work when the Government takes everything you produce, including your income?

That's the downside of socialism. Its based on everyone working to help others who don't. Once the scale tips to more people not working it all falls apart.
 Quoting: Sarah Langley


You have a child's understanding of political systems.
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Watch this play out.

[link to www.breitbart.com]

From article:

"Venezuela’s opposition legislature has declared a “nutritional emergency,” proclaiming that the country simply does not have enough food to feed its population. The move comes after years of socialist rationing and shortages that forced millions to wait on lines lasting as long as six hours for a pint of milk, a bag of flour, or carton of cooking oil..."
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Same old same old Americans scaring each other into debt and slavery with imaginary boogey men.

1. Democratic socialism is Northern Europe, not Venezuala.

2. Venesuala's woes are as much down to capitalists placing sanctions on them for daring to reject their system. It's the free market that is fucking the entire world over and when that all comes crasing down, we are going to wish we had food lines.
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Whatever -- Europe is a mess. Enormous taxes, high debt, massively increasing crime, long waits for basic medical procedures, etc.

keep your failed socio-political model on your ide of the pond.
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Bernie Sanders is a socialist. just sayin.
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No one has ever loaded their family onto a rickety, homemade raft and pushed out to the open sea to escape capitalism. Just sayin'.
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Isn't Haiti capitalist?
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I think Haiti is just chaos and crime gangs. Not sure they have anything that could be called a system.
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So Bernie, a Democratic Socialist is going to starve America to death? The way that Democratic Socialists have starved Scandinavia to death?

What you morans don't get is thst by deliberately conflating two essentially unrelated system you only accomplish two things:

- you undermine your argument on Socialism, because Americans aren't petrified of becoming like Sweden

And

- you actively convince American kids to embrace socialism, because you convince them that Bernie is pushing socialism and they like what he's pushing.

If you want to fight socialism good, I'm with you, but if you want to conflate socialism and the Nordic Model of capitalism aka Democratic Socialism then I'm not gonna be part of that, because it's obvious that the outcome is more support for socialism in America.

Try and use your brains.
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The greatest arguments against socialism can be found in the history books, and the carvings on millions of headstone.

norespect
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You're comment is unrelated to what I said.
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Communism is very good system but only if people are smart and not focused on making money.

In my country Communism failed because people are dumb and wanted Coca Cola and Disneyland instead of common good like goverment run water supply or free kinderagrtens or public health care system.
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This is precisely why communism will always fail. Without the incentives of getting ahead, and working hard, and keeping the products of your own risk and hard work, nobody will give a shit or lift a finger.

People are driven by self-interest alone until they are sufficiently rich to be absolutely sure they can't spend all their money before they die. After that, they pick up other interests.
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Why work when the Government takes everything you produce, including your income?

That's the downside of socialism. Its based on everyone working to help others who don't. Once the scale tips to more people not working it all falls apart.
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You have a child's understanding of political systems.
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So, please enthrall us with you omnipotence.
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This is what socialism gets you:

For all those college educated (ah, er, indoctrinated) students and other older morons who think that Socialism is the best thing for this county, perhaps they should take a look at a Socialist/Communist paradise to our south. Venezuela.

Some facts they might want to consider before supporting the Sanders / Hillary campaigns.
. In the past week six infants died because their wasn't enough medicine or functioning respirators.
. Chronic power outages have prompted the gov't to begin rationing electricity, darkening homes and shopping malls.
. Homes and apartments regularly suffer water shortages
. Long lines exist to buy whatever food is available.
. Toilet paper is almost non-existant
. Price controls have created shortages for everything from medicine to meat.
. While the economy shrank by 10% last year, and is expected to shrink another 8% this year, oil rich Venezuela has an inflation rate of 700%. The world's worst.
. One in 10 people want to leave the country, and more than a million have already left. (coming here?)
. They have the second highest murder rate in the world - 90 per 100,000. We have 4 per 100,000.
. Venezuela has an 85% chance of defaulting on it's debt in the next 12 months.
. It used to export rice, coffee and meat. Now it imports all three.
. The number of private companies shrank by 20% between 2006 and 2014.
. Finally, for all those single payer, gov't controlled health care enthusiasts, get this. Medical associations and health care specialists say preventable deaths are rising dramatically because of lack of medicine, equipment and doctors. 90% of crucial medicines are scarce. Patients lay on bare beds in rooms with dirty floors. There is often no running water, cleaning supplies or food. Feces floats in toilets, and gang members roam the halls, forcing the remaining underpaid doctors to lock themselves in their offices.

So, since all the Bernie and Hillary voters want all their free stuff, I suggest they move to Venezuela, where you can get the Socialist paradise you obviously seek.


Info from a FB friend of mine who keeps track of this stuff.
 Quoting: Lady Jane Smith


You forgot the most important thing - USA is trying to "democratize" Venezuela and change the regime there. US sanctions caused the crisis in Venezuela. Just stop meddling in other countries' affairs and they will stop collapsing. USA = EVIL.
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^that
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Bernie Sanders is a socialist. just sayin.
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Yeah that's not true. And repeating it is making socialism popular in America.

Socialism is defined as a system with social ownership of the means of production. Scandinavian countries don't have thst and Bernie doesn't believe in thst.

He believes in the Nordic Model, which means:

"support for a "universalist" welfare state aimed specifically at enhancing individual autonomy and promoting social mobility; a corporatist system involving a tripartite arrangement where representatives of labor and employers negotiate wages and labor market policy mediated by the government;[6] and a commitment to widespread private ownership, free markets and free trade.[7]"

Read that carefully.

That's not even vaguely close to socialism.

Neither is what Bernie is promoting.

But when you tell people that:

"support for a "universalist" welfare state aimed specifically at enhancing individual autonomy and promoting social mobility; a corporatist system involving a tripartite arrangement where representatives of labor and employers negotiate wages and labor market policy mediated by the government;[6] and a commitment to widespread private ownership, free markets and free trade.[7]"

Is socialism, you make kids think they like socialism.
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So Bernie, a Democratic Socialist is going to starve America to death? The way that Democratic Socialists have starved Scandinavia to death?

What you morans don't get is thst by deliberately conflating two essentially unrelated system you only accomplish two things:

- you undermine your argument on Socialism, because Americans aren't petrified of becoming like Sweden

And

- you actively convince American kids to embrace socialism, because you convince them that Bernie is pushing socialism and they like what he's pushing.

If you want to fight socialism good, I'm with you, but if you want to conflate socialism and the Nordic Model of capitalism aka Democratic Socialism then I'm not gonna be part of that, because it's obvious that the outcome is more support for socialism in America.

Try and use your brains.
 Quoting: TRTTRTTRT


The greatest arguments against socialism can be found in the history books, and the carvings on millions of headstone.

norespect
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I'm almost positive that history is no longer taught in public schools.

Constitutional Republic, people. Look it up if you have to.

America Divided – Pro Constitutional Republic v. Pro Democratic Socialism:
[link to conservativesonfire.wordpress.com (secure)]
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Don't get me wrong but all ism's are bad.

What chiefly drives this sort of political corruption today is capitalism's structure. For many capitalist enterprises, competitive and other pressures exist to increase profits, growth rates, and/or market share. Their boards and top managers seek to find cheaper produced inputs and cheaper labor power, to extract more output from their workers, to sell their outputs at the highest possible prices and to find more profitable technologies.


Now democracy is what makes this country great.
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"Democracy is two wolves and a sheep deciding what's for dinner"...You better check your understanding of Democracy.
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As an individual, I will always optimize my net gain, so I'll take every possible government handout as long as it's in MY best interest, and refuse those that are traps. I'll work to fill the first tier of income tax and then quit, using my free time in the most effective way to create non-tax realized benefits for myself. In short, I'm selfish, and intend to remain so. The virtue of TRUE capitalism is that it exploits selfishness as a virtue. The fatal flaw of socialism and communism is that they expect people to give a shit about society, and that ain't ever happening.

That's why they always degenerate into totalitarian states.
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Why work when the Government takes everything you produce, including your income?

That's the downside of socialism. Its based on everyone working to help others who don't. Once the scale tips to more people not working it all falls apart.
 Quoting: Sarah Langley


You have a child's understanding of political systems.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 63192754


So, please enthrall us with you omnipotence.
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He absolutely right. There's plenty of types of socialism thst PROMOTE consumerism. The consistent thread through socialism social ownership of the means of production...

Imagine a system where everything was the same EXCEPT that businesses were collectively owned and profits shared equally. What you do with your money is your choice.

That is literally a version of socialism.

And it's got nothing to do with what Bernie Sanders believes.
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This is what socialism gets you:

For all those college educated (ah, er, indoctrinated) students and other older morons who think that Socialism is the best thing for this county, perhaps they should take a look at a Socialist/Communist paradise to our south. Venezuela.

Some facts they might want to consider before supporting the Sanders / Hillary campaigns.
. In the past week six infants died because their wasn't enough medicine or functioning respirators.
. Chronic power outages have prompted the gov't to begin rationing electricity, darkening homes and shopping malls.
. Homes and apartments regularly suffer water shortages
. Long lines exist to buy whatever food is available.
. Toilet paper is almost non-existant
. Price controls have created shortages for everything from medicine to meat.
. While the economy shrank by 10% last year, and is expected to shrink another 8% this year, oil rich Venezuela has an inflation rate of 700%. The world's worst.
. One in 10 people want to leave the country, and more than a million have already left. (coming here?)
. They have the second highest murder rate in the world - 90 per 100,000. We have 4 per 100,000.
. Venezuela has an 85% chance of defaulting on it's debt in the next 12 months.
. It used to export rice, coffee and meat. Now it imports all three.
. The number of private companies shrank by 20% between 2006 and 2014.
. Finally, for all those single payer, gov't controlled health care enthusiasts, get this. Medical associations and health care specialists say preventable deaths are rising dramatically because of lack of medicine, equipment and doctors. 90% of crucial medicines are scarce. Patients lay on bare beds in rooms with dirty floors. There is often no running water, cleaning supplies or food. Feces floats in toilets, and gang members roam the halls, forcing the remaining underpaid doctors to lock themselves in their offices.

So, since all the Bernie and Hillary voters want all their free stuff, I suggest they move to Venezuela, where you can get the Socialist paradise you obviously seek.


Info from a FB friend of mine who keeps track of this stuff.
 Quoting: Lady Jane Smith


You forgot the most important thing - USA is trying to "democratize" Venezuela and change the regime there. US sanctions caused the crisis in Venezuela. Just stop meddling in other countries' affairs and they will stop collapsing. USA = EVIL.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71470186


^that
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Since you, and the previous turd, feel the US is so evil, why not relocate to Venezuela?

The bottom line is that your idea of a socialist paradise is a a failed theory. When placed in practice, it always fails. It leaves out the human need for incentive/reward -- a very basic need that exists from birth, and is used as a motivator throughout life. Real life does not hand out participation trophies -- on the micro or macro level.
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Why work when the Government takes everything you produce, including your income?

That's the downside of socialism. Its based on everyone working to help others who don't. Once the scale tips to more people not working it all falls apart.
 Quoting: Sarah Langley


You have a child's understanding of political systems.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 63192754


So, please enthrall us with you omnipotence.
 Quoting: Lady Jane Smith


He absolutely right. There's plenty of types of socialism thst PROMOTE consumerism. The consistent thread through socialism social ownership of the means of production...

Imagine a system where everything was the same EXCEPT that businesses were collectively owned and profits shared equally. What you do with your money is your choice.

That is literally a version of socialism.

And it's got nothing to do with what Bernie Sanders believes.
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That's what's wrong with it. In order to be FREE, you need to own the means to be independent of society, and produce whatever you damn well please. Or not. Being free means being able to ignore the society and avoid more than minimal interaction.
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Don't get me wrong but all ism's are bad.

What chiefly drives this sort of political corruption today is capitalism's structure. For many capitalist enterprises, competitive and other pressures exist to increase profits, growth rates, and/or market share. Their boards and top managers seek to find cheaper produced inputs and cheaper labor power, to extract more output from their workers, to sell their outputs at the highest possible prices and to find more profitable technologies.


Now democracy is what makes this country great.
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"Democracy is two wolves and a sheep deciding what's for dinner"...You better check your understanding of Democracy.
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The US is not a Democracy, it is a Constitutional Republic.

Democracy is mob rule.
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Why work when the Government takes everything you produce, including your income?

That's the downside of socialism. Its based on everyone working to help others who don't. Once the scale tips to more people not working it all falls apart.
 Quoting: Sarah Langley


You have a child's understanding of political systems.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 63192754


So, please enthrall us with you omnipotence.
 Quoting: Lady Jane Smith


He absolutely right. There's plenty of types of socialism thst PROMOTE consumerism. The consistent thread through socialism social ownership of the means of production...

Imagine a system where everything was the same EXCEPT that businesses were collectively owned and profits shared equally. What you do with your money is your choice.

That is literally a version of socialism.

And it's got nothing to do with what Bernie Sanders believes.
 Quoting: TRTTRTTRT


No incentive to succeed, let alone exceed. No reward for being an exceptional worker, or thinking of means to increase efficiency.

Look at all the wonderful govt employees we now have -- socialism is that same dysfunctional model, but throughout the entire country.
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Politics aside, for the majority of the people there that you all refer to as the "poor", this will affect them very little. These are people that have lived for generations previous without electricity or running water, and notice nor fret very little if those services go away for hours or even days. They buy, or trade for their food daily from friends and neighbors who grow it or slaughter it. Refrigeration isn't even that big of a deal - although a nice convenience. If you haven't seen it for yourself you would be shocked at how peaceful, unworried, and relaxed their lives are. Even with no welfare everyone seems to get taken care of.

Many of you are speaking from watching FOX or CNN and seeing random internet clips. This does not represent 80% of the general life there outside of downtown and wealthy areas.
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True. They know how to live without modern conveniences.
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So Bernie, a Democratic Socialist is going to starve America to death? The way that Democratic Socialists have starved Scandinavia to death?

What you morans don't get is thst by deliberately conflating two essentially unrelated system you only accomplish two things:

- you undermine your argument on Socialism, because Americans aren't petrified of becoming like Sweden

And

- you actively convince American kids to embrace socialism, because you convince them that Bernie is pushing socialism and they like what he's pushing.

If you want to fight socialism good, I'm with you, but if you want to conflate socialism and the Nordic Model of capitalism aka Democratic Socialism then I'm not gonna be part of that, because it's obvious that the outcome is more support for socialism in America.

Try and use your brains.
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The US is a socialist country , that's how Obama won his second term, he gave to the inner cities, while the middle class gets taxed to death.
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And now middle class jobs are disappearing because government(obamacare for one) and unions are running corporations out of America.
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Why work when the Government takes everything you produce, including your income?

That's the downside of socialism. Its based on everyone working to help others who don't. Once the scale tips to more people not working it all falls apart.
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No that's neo liberalism you've described.
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Why work when the Government takes everything you produce, including your income?

That's the downside of socialism. Its based on everyone working to help others who don't. Once the scale tips to more people not working it all falls apart.
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You have a child's understanding of political systems.
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So, please enthrall us with you omnipotence.
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Yeah, I am waiting too. Before someone slams someone else they need to add in why they believe the way they do. Most just hit and run which doesn't make me think much of them.
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You have a child's understanding of political systems.
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So, please enthrall us with you omnipotence.
 Quoting: Lady Jane Smith


He absolutely right. There's plenty of types of socialism thst PROMOTE consumerism. The consistent thread through socialism social ownership of the means of production...

Imagine a system where everything was the same EXCEPT that businesses were collectively owned and profits shared equally. What you do with your money is your choice.

That is literally a version of socialism.

And it's got nothing to do with what Bernie Sanders believes.
 Quoting: TRTTRTTRT


No incentive to succeed, let alone exceed. No reward for being an exceptional worker, or thinking of means to increase efficiency.

Look at all the wonderful govt employees we now have -- socialism is that same dysfunctional model, but throughout the entire country.
 Quoting: Lady Jane Smith


We don't disagree.

But again - just so we're all clear - this is not what Sanders believed in at all.

The argument for this system, so you know, is that if everyone works hard then everyone succeeds equally.

This form of socialism doesn't preclude a collectively owned business from firing your assistance btw. So if say, two bakeries were collectively owned, one could outperform the other and it's employees (ie owners) could make more profit than the others.

So really that's a LOT closer to capitalism than you'd initially think. Work harder, make more. And keep your profits to spend in a essentially capitalism society.
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It's amazing to me how brainwashed some of you guys are.

There's PLENTY to dispose about Obamacare, but it's completely unrelated to socialism.
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Why work when the Government takes everything you produce, including your income?

That's the downside of socialism. Its based on everyone working to help others who don't. Once the scale tips to more people not working it all falls apart.
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No that's neo liberalism you've described.
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Some believe liberalism and socialism is the same.





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