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do a search on the "spire" in the video,watch it disintegrate and vaporize before your beady little eyes ps beware of organizations whose logo is a torch!
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next mr jones,the mormon/mason will tell you the anodization of steel and aluminum (the ingredients of thermite)ignited by magnesium in airplane skin alloy caused major thermite chain reaction explosions.You heard it from me first. If you do not agree,you are CIA dead3
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911 - MOTIVE - WHO BENEFITS??
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Hey - Brevity, concise, Succint should be your goals in getting your Points across. Relalize how few are going to read such a lenghty post.

I suggest this as a Fellow 9/11 TRUTH SEEKER.

I agree with what I read of your post also.

Better to post a Link.

By the way the link you posted appears to be to your Hard drive and not accessable.

Daniel
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Your attack is meaningless....Both Darwin and Einstein made many stupid comments and claims.It does to prove anything. Scholars or otherwise....look in the mirror...nobody is GOD.
Just ONE line at random shows how stupid Judy Wood is.

"Many observers worried about whether the wall would continue to do its job to prevent flooding"

She's talking about lower Man' flooding. Has it escaped her that lower Man' is HIGHER than the Hudson, and survived without the slurry wall for years before it was built?

Scholars...? pennywise
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The "who benefits" approach is not at all perfect. Ever heard of a frame up? You can frame someone by making it appear that they benefit from the act. Secondly, its a huge assumption on your part that 911 was a crime. "you all know" is not much of a reason! Tighten up your logic ala Holms!
IMO, regardless of HOW the towers came down, (we all know that it was an OBVIOUS in-your-face crime)
The question we should now all focus on is the WHO!
(IMO):
1) THERMITE was used to cut the (46) CENTRAL COLUMNS at angle. (Transported and installed by your freindly Israeli 'Moving Van' boys) and....
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911 - MOTIVE - WHO BENEFITS??
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Hey - Brevity, concise, Succint should be your goals in getting your Points across. Relalize how few are going to read such a lenghty post.

I suggest this as a Fellow 9/11 TRUTH SEEKER.

I agree with what I read of your post also.

Better to post a Link.

By the way the link you posted appears to be to your Hard drive and not accessable.

Daniel

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Sorry, here is the link:
[link to sac911truth.com]
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The "who benefits" approach is not at all perfect. Ever heard of a frame up? You can frame someone by making it appear that they benefit from the act. Secondly, its a huge assumption on your part that 911 was a crime. "you all know" is not much of a reason! Tighten up your logic ala Holms!
IMO, regardless of HOW the towers came down, (we all know that it was an OBVIOUS in-your-face crime)
The question we should now all focus on is the WHO!
(IMO):
1) THERMITE was used to cut the (46) CENTRAL COLUMNS at angle. (Transported and installed by your freindly Israeli 'Moving Van' boys) and....
 Quoting: property is theft 162376

Hahahahahaha!!!!
Bet you didn't read my post, it has ISRAEL-MOSSAD written all over it. skulburn

911 WAS a FALSE FLAG OPERATION to get UNINFORMED American boys/girls to fight n' DIE FOR ISRAEL and
Carried out by ISREAL-MOSSAD with the help of NEO CONS in washington and pentagon.

MASSIVE amount of undesputable factual evidence...
Cui Bono?? ->ISRAEL!!!!! scheming

WATCH THE VIDS IF YOU DON'T LIKE READING,
[link to sac911truth.com]
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161817 says:

"Yes. I actually mentioned that. And, yes, as a high-energy physicist, I can tell you that ...

Good lord, has IDW returned to GLP? He was always pretending to be an Indian, a millioniare, and an engineer. Now it looks like he's promoted himself to "high-energy physicist".

You people crack me up. The 9/11 Scholars for Truth are mostly English and history and psychology professors, as nutty and silly as those "Disclosure Project" weenies. Now they're arguing amongst themselves!

Maybe they should elect Nancy Lieder their president and sacrifice a dog to her or something. It couldn't hurt their credibility, that's for sure!!
Where's the EVIDENCE, Jim?
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161817 says:

You people crack me up. The 9/11 Scholars for Truth are mostly English and history and psychology professors, as nutty and silly as those "Disclosure Project" weenies. Now they're arguing amongst themselves!

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Professor Fetzer PHD. was last teaching a course on -
Critical Thinking!!!

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

It would be SOOOoooooooo much easier to be
Pro 9/11 Official Story.

Government SUPPORT
Major Media Support
ZioNAZI support - Including ADL & Mossad
Christian Religions Support

UNITED with ONE message:

1)Support Official Story
2)Defame & Denigrate those who Oppose.

That's the EASY Road!!!

TRUTH is more Difficult!!!

Earth is FLAT = WRONG eventually Proven & accepted.
Earth Revolves around the Sun = WRONG enentually Proven & accepted.

TRUTH is the difficlt Road -

The World is a BETTER Place with the TRUTH!!!

Daniel

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OP, is your first post written by you, and if not, do you have a link for it?
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tards will be tards....
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Wow,9/11 Eye Witness. Those were pretty strong Sugar Cubes you took that day. The only thing that you saw that 'Imploded' was your brain.

But please carry on, you're imagination is one for the books.

Oh?? Watch out for those 'Rays' now. I don't want to see a 'Whack Job' like you get hurt. I wouldn't have anyone to laugh at if you were incinerated.

And please wipe that drool off your chin, it's very unbecoming.

How do you like me now??











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molecular bonds give way

powder falls to ground

beam on 911

pancake theory is for fruitcakes
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Well although that is possible as a large amount of debri (some of it on fire) rained down on the streets below, if you have any reading comprehension skills; I'm saying that they would have been caused by the rain of debri from the Towers collapse.

Like I was telling you I've been inside a car that developed a dead short in it's electrical system and if I hadn't of been able to stop the car and disconnect the battery I would have lost the vehicle. And AGAIN I tell you that it happens quite frequently in violent collisions.

Want to burn a car? Another good way is to leave a lit cigar on a passenger seat. Just leave it there, shut the door, and your car will be a total loss. I've seen it happen.

My point is this. It takes very little to start the fire. Once it is started cars are extremely flamable and will burn out if no one intervenes.
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You are automatically assuming they were all hit / in the path of debris
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OP, is your first post written by you, and if not, do you have a link for it?
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Written by me.
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Wow,9/11 Eye Witness. Those were pretty strong Sugar Cubes you took that day. The only thing that you saw that 'Imploded' was your brain.

But please carry on, you're imagination is one for the books.

Oh?? Watch out for those 'Rays' now. I don't want to see a 'Whack Job' like you get hurt. I wouldn't have anyone to laugh at if you were incinerated.

And please wipe that drool off your chin, it's very unbecoming.

How do you like me now??

Maybe one day you will address the argument. But I don't believe in miracles, so I won't be waiting.









:"I see you're playing stupid again, looks like you're winning":


















:"I see you're playing stupid again, looks like you're winning":
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OP
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Wow,9/11 Eye Witness. Those were pretty strong Sugar Cubes you took that day. The only thing that you saw that 'Imploded' was your brain.

But please carry on, you're imagination is one for the books.

Oh?? Watch out for those 'Rays' now. I don't want to see a 'Whack Job' like you get hurt. I wouldn't have anyone to laugh at if you were incinerated.

And please wipe that drool off your chin, it's very unbecoming.

How do you like me now??











:"I see you're playing stupid again, looks like you're winning":


















:"I see you're playing stupid again, looks like you're winning":
 Quoting: I Am He 161696

Maybe one day you will address the arguments. But I don't believe in miracles and so I won't be waiting. I don't need to make an effort to win. Idiots like you defeat themselves.
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"9/11: What we know now that we did not know then"
A lecture by Prof. Fetzer.
(1hr 9 min 55 sec)
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"9/11: What we know now that we did not know then"
A lecture by Prof. Fetzer.
(1hr 9 min 55 sec)
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Wow,9/11 Eye Witness. Those were pretty strong Sugar Cubes you took that day. The only thing that you saw that 'Imploded' was your brain.

But please....

 Quoting: I Am Her 161696


Gosh! thanks for reading my comments :-P

Did I mention that I'm a photographer? I also have pictures of the North Tower top explosions from which I felt the shockwave. Maybe you should try looking at some yourself.

If your eyes haven't started working after looking at the North Tower, try looking at the implosion of WTC7. There's even a controlled demolitions style crimp in the middle of the building as it falls. And, if you're not just looking for excuses, you'll notice that the janitorial (or elevator) shed on the roof actually collapses BEFORE the roof does.

On another topic, people that try the whole "those aren't engineering profs" approach are insincere and deceptive. There are engineering profs that have come forward, both mechanical and civil engineers btw. But if someone is just looking for reasons to be blind they won't have heard of those.

to stay up on the latest news try 911blogger.com
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lmao
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Well although that is possible as a large amount of debri (some of it on fire) rained down on the streets below, if you have any reading comprehension skills; I'm saying that they would have been caused by the rain of debri from the Towers collapse.

Like I was telling you I've been inside a car that developed a dead short in it's electrical system and if I hadn't of been able to stop the car and disconnect the battery I would have lost the vehicle. And AGAIN I tell you that it happens quite frequently in violent collisions.

Want to burn a car? Another good way is to leave a lit cigar on a passenger seat. Just leave it there, shut the door, and your car will be a total loss. I've seen it happen.

My point is this. It takes very little to start the fire. Once it is started cars are extremely flamable and will burn out if no one intervenes.

You are automatically assuming they were all hit / in the path of debris
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Just about anything in the immediate area ended up with some debri on it. If the automobile wasn't hit hard enough to cause an electrical short; if for example the windows were open or broken by something (side and rear windows are very easily broken by small hard objects, if you take for example a small portion of a sparkplug insulator and throw it with force at a side window it will shatter) and then any hot or flaming debri entered the interior the automobile would burn out.
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A heinous crime was committed on 9/11. To get ciught up in arguing the details while losing sight of the gravity and magnitude of the crime would be tragic.
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A heinous crime was committed on 9/11. To get ciught up in arguing the details while losing sight of the gravity and magnitude of the crime would be tragic.
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I heartily agree. That's what worries me about this argument between Jones, Fetzer and Wood. It looks irreconcilable to me and it may lead to Jones leaving, as Fetzer seems to have gone to Wood's side. If this happens, Jones will take members with him from Scholars for 9/11 Truth, and the media will have a field day over the schism. Some heads need to be banged together. The details of what caused the pulverisation of the two towers can await a new investigation. But I cannot see even that being permitted by the politicos in Washington. Americans may somehow have to bypass their politicians.
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/rant

could you non-aware folks please tell my why all the trees I have cut down never fall in their own footprint already mulched for me? because if I could fly an rc plane into a tree and get it to fall into a big pile of mulch where the stump was it would save me a toooon of time
....

a directed energy weapon is not that crazy of an idea, I bet almost 95% of the people on this board have a few lasers in your their houses and a microwave gun

calling someone with a PHD a dumb ass makes you look like a dumb ass, whats your highest level of schooling?

if you think 911 went down as the TV told you go back to bed
....
she may not be right, but she has at least tried to crunch some numbers on the subject, trying to account for the energy it would have taken to pulverize the structure and concrete

if you watch the learning channel or the history channel you can see demolitions at quarrys, the charges in the explosions are placed and timed very carefully to turn the rock face in question into the smallest possible rubble so its easy to haul away, this is the same goal with structural demolitions

in order to get a structure to fall into small pieces instead of big huge chunks it takes timing and good placement and even then its not 100%

in other words structures tend to fall in messy big chunks


















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I think the point that Wood makes is that controlled demolition by thermate alone could not have caused the pulverisation into fine dust of most of the two towers. She knows, however, that there were many reliable reports of explosions sounding like bombs occurring within the towers before they were destroyed, and so she thinks a combination of high-energy beam/laser and high explosives were used. She suspects that exotic weapons destroyed the top part of the towers and high-explosives destroyed the lower parts. Clearly something really powerful had to destroy the 47 columns of the core. Where Jones differs from her is his insistence that conventional explosives could have done even this job. I think he is wrong and that Wood is right.
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<<<</rant

could you non-aware folks please tell my why all the trees I have cut down never fall in their own footprint already mulched for me? because if I could fly an rc plane into a tree and get it to fall into a big pile of mulch where the stump was it would save me a toooon of time>>>>

If you think that has any similarity to the dynamics involved in what made the towers fall you have a lot of nerve calling ANYONE non-aware!

<<<<a directed energy weapon is not that crazy of an idea, I bet almost 95% of the people on this board have a few lasers in your their houses and a microwave gun>>>>

Show some scientific evidence that the effects seen are able to be duplicated by any known or experimental technology.

<<<<calling someone with a PHD a dumb ass makes you look like a dumb ass, whats your highest level of schooling?>>>>

I don't remember doing that but I will say that I've had experience working with and am familiar with the performance of materials involved in the construction of the towers.

<<<<if you think 911 went down as the TV told you go back to bed>>>>

Just kind of a trite statement

<<<<she may not be right, but she has at least tried to crunch some numbers on the subject, trying to account for the energy it would have taken to pulverize the structure and concrete>>>>

How much kinetic energy was stored in the massive amount of material above the steel that was weakened (not melted, didn't have to be anywhere near the melting point. Steel construction is designed within the parameters of the steels [mild steel] tensile strength of 32,000 pounds per square inch. You find the section modulous required using that value. The 32,000psi value degrades at temperature far below the melting point.} by the fires? More than enough to pulverize the concrete as each floor pancaked into the next with each floor's weight added as the whole pounding, churning, grinding mass came down. And due to the efficiency of that process most of the particles became small enough to become airborne.

I would just like to add that if you have ever seen a burnt out automobile you will notice that the steel losses its shape and deforms at temperatures exactly in the range of those within the towers after the crashes. Imagine that deformation now with a few million pounds of building above it. This is why the towers failed. Not right away but after the steel was weakened by the fires,

<<<<if you watch the learning channel or the history channel you can see demolitions at quarrys, the charges in the explosions are placed and timed very carefully to turn the rock face in question into the smallest possible rubble so its easy to haul away, this is the same goal with structural demolitions>>>>

No one had ever demolished a building of that size and scope. Then there is also the issue of the buildings rather unique method of construction.

<<<<in order to get a structure to fall into small pieces instead of big huge chunks it takes timing and good placement and even then its not 100%>>>>

You're absolutely right. It couldn't be done by explosives. But see avove for why it happened the way it did.

<<<<<in other words structures tend to fall in messy big chunks>>>>>

Not in this case as I've explained above.
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"The 32,000psi value degrades at temperature far below the melting point.} by the fires? More than enough to pulverize the concrete as each floor pancaked into the next with each floor's weight added as the whole pounding, churning, grinding mass came down. And due to the efficiency of that process most of the particles became small enough to become airborne."

Absolute nonsense! Firstly, the pulverisation occured high up in the two towers, where not sufficient kinetic energy could have been acquired to squash the concrete to dust. Secondly, there is in fact NO evidence for falling, pancaking floors in all the video evidence. What one sees is successive floors being blown to kingdom come with a violence that could not possibly be drawn from the kinetic energy of floors slowed up by impacts with successive floors. You are both blind and understand nothing about the physics of falling materials.
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None of you clowns have the slightest idea. Pulverisation of concrete!

Most of the dust cloud was gypsum, there were thousands of tons of drywall. WTF do you think happened to it.

I'll leave it there because some numbskull is certain to start some argument about drywall now, and i really couldn't give a fuck. Arguing with imbeciles is only fun for so long.


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