Strange micro-redactions in Sandy Hook dashcams match late gunshots in 911 audio | |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 50575002 United States 04/15/2016 05:10 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Bingo - the font used to redact the gunshots is different than the font used to redact the visuals. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 66328427 Lt. Davis (00055705_MVR_Part_1) redactions: 9:47:41 - 9:47:59 [18 sec, serif font) 9:49:09 - 9:49:17 [8 sec] - (sans serif font) 9:50:07 - 9:50:09 [2 sec] - (sans serif font) 9:50:29 - 9:50:34 - (5 sec, serif font - someone carrying something about to run by, clearly redacted for visual I'm going to guess the cams were redacted twice--once for visuals, and later for gunshots. The larger, sans serif font represents the gunshot redaction pass. I would be very interested to see if others have noticed two separate fonts being used in other dashcam redactions. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 19852951 United States 05/02/2016 10:32 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Even more incriminating is the fact that the audio in some dashcams--at least in the Davis dashcam, currently in question--hasn't simply been leveled to zero. We see instead would appear to be a purposeful attempt to reduce it/muddle it/EQ it in such a way that virtually no sounds are audible. Yet, originally that audio was so incriminating that it had to be redacted altogether. Another count of evidence-tampering against Sedensky, I'm afraid. These are felonies, every one. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 19852951 United States 05/08/2016 01:38 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | By the way WHO is this child being carried at 9:50 (or 9:51--dashcams were slightly off) a.m.?? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19852951 Chapmane did not carry OE out until 9:56-7 minimum. WHO IS THIS CHILD? Possibly Vanghele carrying an unknown child; Hull observed Vanghele with a child "in his arms," and this would have to be a child other than Chapman's or Cario's. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 64587239 United States 03/10/2017 03:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | IF at that exact moment there is ALSO a redaction in the 911 audio, I think it's safe to say the dascham was redacted there for audio purposes. Because the changes of a late gunshot in the 911s corresponding perfectly with an moment of off-limits visual content outside the school is pretty slim. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 64587239 United States 03/10/2017 03:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Now, this won't be a perfect guideline. Because there are a LOT of late gunshots. So many, in fact, that police let slip, in the final report, that during the Sandy Hook response they worried about running out of ammunition. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 64587239 United States 03/10/2017 04:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | AND - we have more to this. The audio from Davis' dashcam has been removed from 9:43 - 9:49:17 (this is his timestamp; truth and reality may vary). Yes, it's completely gone. A track of crappy, purposely-degraded audio exists before and after that time range. At 9:49:17 the audio resumes--smack after the "content redacted" screen goes away, i.e. video and resumed audio start up at the same time. I takes purposeful effort to remove/degrade the audio track from a video. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 64587239 United States 03/10/2017 04:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Sedensky chopped it off early, i.e. before Davis (or whoever it really is) enters the school grounds, probably to make it look less obvious that gunshot noises are being redacted. For the purposes of our "audio suspicion" timeline, i.e. when the car could reasonably have been expected to be picking up gunshots from inside and outside the school, the timeframe in question is roughly 9:45 - 9:50. This will be yet another gaping hole in the evidence timeline, which will match up with other records showing a gaping hole in the same spots. It's amazing how quickly the average citizen "gets" the problem, when they see a simple visual showing that things are missing in the same places. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 64587239 United States 03/10/2017 05:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | AND...Seabrook's cam drops audio from 9:42:53-9:42:57 (his stamp). Nothing to hear here. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 64587239 And smack at 9:49:00 (his timestamp is quite accurate, synced to Newtown ECC time), the audio suddenly surges upward in volume. Or whatever muddying filter it was run through is taken off. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 69507367 United States 03/18/2017 04:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What will be interesting is to line up multiple dashcams, especially those which couldn't possibly be redacting the same visual element, and watch them be redacted at the exact same time. Audio, in other words. Judges, juries, and even the American public grasp things very quickly when a brief video segment is shown. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 76467549 United States 06/13/2018 11:56 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Bingo - the font used to redact the gunshots is different than the font used to redact the visuals. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 66328427 Lt. Davis (00055705_MVR_Part_1) redactions: 9:47:41 - 9:47:59 [18 sec, serif font) 9:49:09 - 9:49:17 [8 sec] - (sans serif font) 9:50:07 - 9:50:09 [2 sec] - (sans serif font) 9:50:29 - 9:50:34 - (5 sec, serif font - someone carrying something about to run by, clearly redacted for visual I'm going to guess the cams were redacted twice--once for visuals, and later for gunshots. The larger, sans serif font represents the gunshot redaction pass. Why redact at 9:47:41?? 18 seconds? ANOTHER child being carried out, later to be disavowed? That might mean they ran out with Lewis immediately after accidentally firing on him. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 42731064 United States 02/02/2019 08:24 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So many, in fact, that police let slip, in the final report, that during the Sandy Hook response they worried about running out of ammunition. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 64587239 I realize that this was posted in 2017.. but here's hoping I still get a response. Where can I find that reference? Is it stated in one of the police reports? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 69950254 United States 02/06/2019 04:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So many, in fact, that police let slip, in the final report, that during the Sandy Hook response they worried about running out of ammunition. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 64587239 I realize that this was posted in 2017.. but here's hoping I still get a response. Where can I find that reference? Is it stated in one of the police reports? Gonna take some doing but I'll find it. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 77257748 United States 02/06/2019 05:10 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | We had just as many crazy people running around when I was a kid there were two big differences, when a young man killed someone he had a reason, and we weren't taking psychotropic drugs by the barrel full |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 69950254 United States 02/06/2019 05:43 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The ONLY thing about sandy hook I am absolutely convinced of based on the evidence is that like Parkland high school, it was a well orchestrated psyOP, the purpose of which was to enable a gun grabbing agenda. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77257748 We had just as many crazy people running around when I was a kid there were two big differences, when a young man killed someone he had a reason, and we weren't taking psychotropic drugs by the barrel full Any shooting will be used for an attempted gun grab. Most kids at Sandy Hook had survivable wounds; they died 18 minutes from an excellent hospital because they weren't transported to it. Newtown police made several deadly mistakes which led to the (irrational) 0-injured, 20-deceased statistic. The State of Connecticut went into overdrive suppressing the evidence and trying to convert the theme into "national tragedy." It was indeed a national tragedy that only 2 ambulances were sent, in the first hour, for 29 patients. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 69950254 United States 02/06/2019 05:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The ONLY thing about sandy hook I am absolutely convinced of based on the evidence is that like Parkland high school, it was a well orchestrated psyOP, the purpose of which was to enable a gun grabbing agenda. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77257748 We had just as many crazy people running around when I was a kid there were two big differences, when a young man killed someone he had a reason, and we weren't taking psychotropic drugs by the barrel full Any shooting will be used for an attempted gun grab. Most kids at Sandy Hook had survivable wounds; they died 18 minutes from an excellent hospital because they weren't transported to it. Newtown police made several deadly mistakes which led to the (irrational) 0-injured, 20-deceased statistic. The State of Connecticut went into overdrive suppressing the evidence and trying to convert the theme into "national tragedy." It was indeed a national tragedy that only 2 ambulances were sent, in the first hour, for 29 patients. Totally agree with you about the psych drugs, btw. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 75591750 United States 02/06/2019 09:43 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The ONLY thing about sandy hook I am absolutely convinced of based on the evidence is that like Parkland high school, it was a well orchestrated psyOP, the purpose of which was to enable a gun grabbing agenda. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77257748 We had just as many crazy people running around when I was a kid there were two big differences, when a young man killed someone he had a reason, and we weren't taking psychotropic drugs by the barrel full Any shooting will be used for an attempted gun grab. Most kids at Sandy Hook had survivable wounds; they died 18 minutes from an excellent hospital because they weren't transported to it. Newtown police made several deadly mistakes which led to the (irrational) 0-injured, 20-deceased statistic. The State of Connecticut went into overdrive suppressing the evidence and trying to convert the theme into "national tragedy." It was indeed a national tragedy that only 2 ambulances were sent, in the first hour, for 29 patients. Totally agree with you about the psych drugs, btw. I agree, and it can't be stated enough that there is no arguing the fact that only two ambulances were available for the the first hour in response to the SH shooting. That is a failure of the officers on scene by their negligence to accurately and timely report the number of casualties and declare a MCI and Newtown PD 911 dispatch center for not requesting more assets. I wouldn't discount psychotropic drugs as a contributing factor, either. I believe we're starting to see the long term effects these drugs can have on the human psyche. What also can't be argued is the push to for police departments nationwide to implement and train on new standards with regard to school shootings. Flame me or bash me all you want...that's my opinion. |
Seven7seven User ID: 76627076 United States 02/07/2019 12:53 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The ONLY thing about sandy hook I am absolutely convinced of based on the evidence is that like Parkland high school, it was a well orchestrated psyOP, the purpose of which was to enable a gun grabbing agenda. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77257748 We had just as many crazy people running around when I was a kid there were two big differences, when a young man killed someone he had a reason, and we weren't taking psychotropic drugs by the barrel full Any shooting will be used for an attempted gun grab. Most kids at Sandy Hook had survivable wounds; they died 18 minutes from an excellent hospital because they weren't transported to it. Newtown police made several deadly mistakes which led to the (irrational) 0-injured, 20-deceased statistic. The State of Connecticut went into overdrive suppressing the evidence and trying to convert the theme into "national tragedy." It was indeed a national tragedy that only 2 ambulances were sent, in the first hour, for 29 patients. Totally agree with you about the psych drugs, btw. I agree, and it can't be stated enough that there is no arguing the fact that only two ambulances were available for the the first hour in response to the SH shooting. That is a failure of the officers on scene by their negligence to accurately and timely report the number of casualties and declare a MCI and Newtown PD 911 dispatch center for not requesting more assets. I wouldn't discount psychotropic drugs as a contributing factor, either. I believe we're starting to see the long term effects these drugs can have on the human psyche. What also can't be argued is the push to for police departments nationwide to implement and train on new standards with regard to school shootings. Flame me or bash me all you want...that's my opinion. alright I'll bash you..... agreed that psychotropic drugs are a growing concern in our society. But not regarding Sandy Hook. There wasn't an Adam Lanza that had need for medication. The script was poorly written, therefore the fuck up of having no ambulances. Just common sense tells you that this was a staged event. The school was in such poor shape that even people on welfare wouldn't send their kids to this bldg. And believe me, the patrons of Newtown are no where near the level of welfare parents....... Sandy Hook was a bullshit and poorly staged "planned" event. Dream as you'll live forever. Live as if you'll die today.... Only the gentle are ever really strong.... Christ Jesus is the Way.... |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 69950254 United States 02/07/2019 05:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 69950254 Any shooting will be used for an attempted gun grab. Most kids at Sandy Hook had survivable wounds; they died 18 minutes from an excellent hospital because they weren't transported to it. Newtown police made several deadly mistakes which led to the (irrational) 0-injured, 20-deceased statistic. The State of Connecticut went into overdrive suppressing the evidence and trying to convert the theme into "national tragedy." It was indeed a national tragedy that only 2 ambulances were sent, in the first hour, for 29 patients. Totally agree with you about the psych drugs, btw. I agree, and it can't be stated enough that there is no arguing the fact that only two ambulances were available for the the first hour in response to the SH shooting. That is a failure of the officers on scene by their negligence to accurately and timely report the number of casualties and declare a MCI and Newtown PD 911 dispatch center for not requesting more assets. I wouldn't discount psychotropic drugs as a contributing factor, either. I believe we're starting to see the long term effects these drugs can have on the human psyche. What also can't be argued is the push to for police departments nationwide to implement and train on new standards with regard to school shootings. Flame me or bash me all you want...that's my opinion. alright I'll bash you..... agreed that psychotropic drugs are a growing concern in our society. But not regarding Sandy Hook. There wasn't an Adam Lanza that had need for medication. The script was poorly written, therefore the fuck up of having no ambulances. Just common sense tells you that this was a staged event. The school was in such poor shape that even people on welfare wouldn't send their kids to this bldg. And believe me, the patrons of Newtown are no where near the level of welfare parents....... Sandy Hook was a bullshit and poorly staged "planned" event. I've spent six year on this; the school was functioning, full of kids, and the people who told you otherwise were paid by the state of Connecticut to make you not care. There were definitely inaccuracies: There were not 700 children in school that day, there were about 350. A legal team tried to make people think the school had a "new security system," by grabbing an old letter to parents from 2007 when the school did have 700 kids and a new security system. It is also not true that "many ambulances came, but none were needed." For the first hour, two ambulances came but many were needed. It is also not true that Roig had all the students in the bathroom; some were locked out. These may have included her own kids, or kids who ran in from the next room after their teacher was shot. Either way, lawyers tried to keep the public from envisioning the multiple children who were locked outside the bathroom, some of whom possibly met their deaths there. Gunfire did not stop at "9:40 a.m." A legal team (or cops) digitally removed late gunshots by "losing" stretches of audio. The 911s released were hacked into bits, with the uncomfortable sounds removed. These were put back together on a timeline, and the fact that someone removed the audio is legally provable. Etc. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 71402525 United States 02/07/2019 07:45 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I agree, and it can't be stated enough that there is no arguing the fact that only two ambulances were available for the the first hour in response to the SH shooting. That is a failure of the officers on scene by their negligence to accurately and timely report the number of casualties and declare a MCI and Newtown PD 911 dispatch center for not requesting more assets. I wouldn't discount psychotropic drugs as a contributing factor, either. I believe we're starting to see the long term effects these drugs can have on the human psyche. What also can't be argued is the push to for police departments nationwide to implement and train on new standards with regard to school shootings. Flame me or bash me all you want...that's my opinion. alright I'll bash you..... agreed that psychotropic drugs are a growing concern in our society. But not regarding Sandy Hook. There wasn't an Adam Lanza that had need for medication. The script was poorly written, therefore the fuck up of having no ambulances. Just common sense tells you that this was a staged event. The school was in such poor shape that even people on welfare wouldn't send their kids to this bldg. And believe me, the patrons of Newtown are no where near the level of welfare parents....... Sandy Hook was a bullshit and poorly staged "planned" event. I've spent six year on this; the school was functioning, full of kids, and the people who told you otherwise were paid by the state of Connecticut to make you not care. There were definitely inaccuracies: There were not 700 children in school that day, there were about 350. A legal team tried to make people think the school had a "new security system," by grabbing an old letter to parents from 2007 when the school did have 700 kids and a new security system. It is also not true that "many ambulances came, but none were needed." For the first hour, two ambulances came but many were needed. It is also not true that Roig had all the students in the bathroom; some were locked out. These may have included her own kids, or kids who ran in from the next room after their teacher was shot. Either way, lawyers tried to keep the public from envisioning the multiple children who were locked outside the bathroom, some of whom possibly met their deaths there. Gunfire did not stop at "9:40 a.m." A legal team (or cops) digitally removed late gunshots by "losing" stretches of audio. The 911s released were hacked into bits, with the uncomfortable sounds removed. These were put back together on a timeline, and the fact that someone removed the audio is legally provable. Etc. You are wrong. And I suspect you say what you do on purpose, therefore you're a liar. There were less than 50 kids shown in video and pictures that day, and most of those are captured in photo "going to the school" with adults that morning. And the decrepit mold infested bldg. Was used as a temporary retard location, in only parts of the bldg. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 77067311 United States 02/10/2019 11:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75591750 I agree, and it can't be stated enough that there is no arguing the fact that only two ambulances were available for the the first hour in response to the SH shooting. That is a failure of the officers on scene by their negligence to accurately and timely report the number of casualties and declare a MCI and Newtown PD 911 dispatch center for not requesting more assets. I wouldn't discount psychotropic drugs as a contributing factor, either. I believe we're starting to see the long term effects these drugs can have on the human psyche. What also can't be argued is the push to for police departments nationwide to implement and train on new standards with regard to school shootings. Flame me or bash me all you want...that's my opinion. alright I'll bash you..... agreed that psychotropic drugs are a growing concern in our society. But not regarding Sandy Hook. There wasn't an Adam Lanza that had need for medication. The script was poorly written, therefore the fuck up of having no ambulances. Just common sense tells you that this was a staged event. The school was in such poor shape that even people on welfare wouldn't send their kids to this bldg. And believe me, the patrons of Newtown are no where near the level of welfare parents....... Sandy Hook was a bullshit and poorly staged "planned" event. I've spent six year on this; the school was functioning, full of kids, and the people who told you otherwise were paid by the state of Connecticut to make you not care. There were definitely inaccuracies: There were not 700 children in school that day, there were about 350. A legal team tried to make people think the school had a "new security system," by grabbing an old letter to parents from 2007 when the school did have 700 kids and a new security system. It is also not true that "many ambulances came, but none were needed." For the first hour, two ambulances came but many were needed. It is also not true that Roig had all the students in the bathroom; some were locked out. These may have included her own kids, or kids who ran in from the next room after their teacher was shot. Either way, lawyers tried to keep the public from envisioning the multiple children who were locked outside the bathroom, some of whom possibly met their deaths there. Gunfire did not stop at "9:40 a.m." A legal team (or cops) digitally removed late gunshots by "losing" stretches of audio. The 911s released were hacked into bits, with the uncomfortable sounds removed. These were put back together on a timeline, and the fact that someone removed the audio is legally provable. Etc. You are wrong. And I suspect you say what you do on purpose, therefore you're a liar. There were less than 50 kids shown in video and pictures that day, and most of those are captured in photo "going to the school" with adults that morning. And the decrepit mold infested bldg. Was used as a temporary retard location, in only parts of the bldg. There are about 200 of the 350 kids shown in photos. Not bad, considering many of this kids were literally running from the building before most of the 911s were even initiated. The whole "classes lined up neatly by grade" thing was a lie; it was total chaos. Connecticut State Police detectives flat out admitted in their own reports that they gave up trying to find kids--and that includes kids who were primary witnesses from the affected rooms. They just gave up, by around 7pm, and presumed the kids were okay. |