NASA admits they can't send humans through VARB and humans have never been beyond LEO...WTF. | |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 65775652 United States 03/11/2016 01:20 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | trolls out in full force. NASA is 100% rewriting history and scrubbing the Apollo lunar missions... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25640731 You're an obsessive attention whore Will it raise your self esteem if this is pinned ? It may raise awareness that an organization founded by NAZIS is not for the American people. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 65775652 United States 03/11/2016 01:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Look at the video again. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70094415 Supposedly those 2 astronauts are on the ISS right now and as soon as the interviewer asks them a question, they answer with no delay. They forgot to put the delay like in other ISS interviews where it takes them a few seconds to get the message. How far away is ISS? How far does light have to go to reach ISS? How much delay should you expect from that? Its hard to tell with our obscure, grainy pics of it, correct? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 9233880 United States 03/11/2016 01:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Oh look, another discussion ruined by the good Dr. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9233880 Good video, OP. Apollo is a joke. Only liars and idiots promote/brag about it. Think about this: Space an open or closed system? Wrong question. Idiotic at that. The real question is whether the ROCKET is an open or closed system. :rocketscience: Settle down. I've explained to you numerous times how free expansion of gas would cancel out your thrust in a vacuum void of gravity. Your picture is misleading. the chamber, as soon as it opens, becomes part of the vacuum. 0 work is done. You'll go on and apply the falsity that joules free expansion only applies to a closed system. This is wrong, he could only conduct his observations in one, because a vacuum cannot be an open system on earth. The same nullifying of work would happen in space. Poor science disproving science. |
***HELIO*** User ID: 70955982 United States 03/11/2016 01:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This thread is exactly why I stopped being a paid member years ago... so much Moderator Manipulation on this site...this site is just a shell of what it used to be 5 years ago...sad really ***SUPERFLY*** If we only knew what the fly on the wall knows!! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 46966020 Canada 03/11/2016 01:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Look at the video again. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70094415 Supposedly those 2 astronauts are on the ISS right now and as soon as the interviewer asks them a question, they answer with no delay. They forgot to put the delay like in other ISS interviews where it takes them a few seconds to get the message. How far away is ISS? How far does light have to go to reach ISS? How much delay should you expect from that? Not sure why don't you ask that question to the many NASA ISS videos with delay ? |
OU812 User ID: 70784905 United States 03/11/2016 01:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You have more patience than I do. I commend you for that. I also wanted to say thank you for providing pretty much the only fact based information in regards to your field. Let them think you are a shill just because you don't support their "findings". Keep it up. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 65775652 United States 03/11/2016 01:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Darth Snarkiest They're saying the interview shows that the astronaut (Bean) was not even sure if he went through the VARB. Does an old man not being sure, almost a half century after the event, somehow prove the event never happened? See, I don't even get on board with the premise here. I've met a couple of Apollo astronauts, not Al Bean specifically, but these guys are really getting up there in years at this point. It really irks me to see hoaxers harassing them, it'd be like someone harassing my grandfather about the budgets of the projects he worked on 50 years ago. It's very unlikely he'd remember those kinds of details, even though he likely would have known them by heart at the time. He might remember what his office looked like, the general feelings of what it was like to work there, and maybe some stories about specific things that happened. Al Bean was a pilot, not a scientist, as almost all of the Apollo astronauts were. If you ask him something that related directly to his expertise as a pilot, like how he handled the lightning strike during launch, he could probably start to regale you with tales of his flight for hours. Sure, he forgot all about the most dangerous thing they had to worry about. Makes perfect sense. Despite your ignorance, that was by far NOT the most dangerous thing they had to worry about. Launch on a rocket with the explosive force of an atom bomb was the most dangerous thing they had to worry about. Other dangers included navigation errors, electrical failures, pressurized tank explosions, and of course the risk that the service module wouldn't light when they were ready to come home. SAFETY is the most important thing he had to worry about. Despite your ignorance of the history of NASA, that it was founded by NAZIS, we will continue to try to save you , for your family's sake. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 65775652 United States 03/11/2016 01:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Dr. Astro, Quoting: OU812 70784905 You have more patience than I do. I commend you for that. I also wanted to say thank you for providing pretty much the only fact based information in regards to your field. Let them think you are a shill just because you don't support their "findings". Keep it up. No commission for you as an AC, should have logged in. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 9233880 United States 03/11/2016 01:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Oh look, another discussion ruined by the good Dr. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9233880 Good video, OP. Apollo is a joke. Only liars and idiots promote/brag about it. Think about this: Space an open or closed system? Wrong question. Idiotic at that. The real question is whether the ROCKET is an open or closed system. :rocketscience: You know how I know you are a shill? You have this vast knowledge of space and the universe and claim to be the expert at it and yet you choose to hang out on GLP where the most senseless crap gets talked about . An intelligent person like you would not hang out at a place where most people can't even tie their shoes. Let's face it that's reality. Stop shilling. And the fact that any space thread that's anti-common knowledge gets visited by you like it's your job to look out for that. Tell your boss they need to rethink your position. That and he completely ignored my question, called me an idiot, and redirected it towards the fakery of rockets which I've already destroyed using proven science. He'll get mad and post videos. But, you're right - why spend your time here? Just yelling "I'm right" and insulting people trying to talk about the liars at NASA. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 69470719 United States 03/11/2016 01:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | And they would say something like this..."and we will once again be able to travel beyond the Van Allen belts and reach the moon and beyond...." Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25640731 You can spin the rhetoric anyway you like, the truth is in plain sight. "If I ran the zoo" fallacy is still just a fallacy. He said "right now" they can't, he didn't say that they "never" have. Either you don't understand simple english, or you're just trolling. Come on man... stop that bullshit. I don't care what experience or degree you have, that explanation RIGHT THERE, is bullshit. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 9233880 United States 03/11/2016 01:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Dr. Astro, Quoting: OU812 70784905 You have more patience than I do. I commend you for that. I also wanted to say thank you for providing pretty much the only fact based information in regards to your field. Let them think you are a shill just because you don't support their "findings". Keep it up. He has patience? No. He has a paycheck to earn |
Dr. Astro Senior Forum Moderator User ID: 55240075 United States 03/11/2016 01:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The other phenomenon the shuttle crew experienced when they went to that higher orbit was the photographic film on board was ruined by the unexpectedly high radiation, even when stored in a lead container. Quoting: Natagee Ah, so these photos don't exist, right? [link to spaceflight.nasa.gov] [link to spaceflight.nasa.gov] [link to spaceflight.nasa.gov] [link to spaceflight.nasa.gov] These are photos from STS-31, one of the highest altitude shuttle missions ever, in 1990 before the astronauts were using digital cameras on orbit. And this? Definitely couldn't have happened: [link to www.nasa.gov] An IMAX film camera in the payload bay, must have been RUINED by the radiation! |
OU812 User ID: 70784905 United States 03/11/2016 01:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Dr. Astro, Quoting: OU812 70784905 You have more patience than I do. I commend you for that. I also wanted to say thank you for providing pretty much the only fact based information in regards to your field. Let them think you are a shill just because you don't support their "findings". Keep it up. No commission for you as an AC, should have logged in. Not a fan of logic are you? |
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Dr. Astro Senior Forum Moderator User ID: 55240075 United States 03/11/2016 01:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | And they would say something like this..."and we will once again be able to travel beyond the Van Allen belts and reach the moon and beyond...." Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25640731 You can spin the rhetoric anyway you like, the truth is in plain sight. "If I ran the zoo" fallacy is still just a fallacy. He said "right now" they can't, he didn't say that they "never" have. Either you don't understand simple english, or you're just trolling. Come on man... stop that bullshit. I don't care what experience or degree you have, that explanation RIGHT THERE, is bullshit. It's simple english. He said "right now" they can't, he didn't say that they "never" have. Right now does not equal "never have." |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 39265022 Bulgaria 03/11/2016 01:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | And they would say something like this..."and we will once again be able to travel beyond the Van Allen belts and reach the moon and beyond...." Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25640731 You can spin the rhetoric anyway you like, the truth is in plain sight. "If I ran the zoo" fallacy is still just a fallacy. He said "right now" they can't, he didn't say that they "never" have. Either you don't understand simple english, or you're just trolling. Do you believe this? Just because you have seen black and white photos doesn't mean they went to the Moon. Photo proves absolutely nothing. Convince me with real evidence. |
Dr. Astro Senior Forum Moderator User ID: 55240075 United States 03/11/2016 01:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | And they would say something like this..."and we will once again be able to travel beyond the Van Allen belts and reach the moon and beyond...." Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25640731 You can spin the rhetoric anyway you like, the truth is in plain sight. "If I ran the zoo" fallacy is still just a fallacy. He said "right now" they can't, he didn't say that they "never" have. Either you don't understand simple english, or you're just trolling. Do you believe this? Yes, I believe it's simple english and you guys are having trouble understanding it. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 63592397 United States 03/11/2016 01:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The highest reported orbit for the vaunted space truck, er, Space Shuttle was a paltry 385 miles to deliver the telescope. I seem to remember an article somewhere that claimed they took it out to 432 miles high at one time. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 63592397 Yes, and the space shuttle wasn't designed to, nor did it have the delta-V, to go beyond low earth orbit. Apples and oranges. The original response was "no, they aren't." Quoting: LiarThen when the NASA dude said they were working on technology to allow passage, the shills claimed the Apollo missions used a polar orbit to pass through at the spot where the belt is weakest. I never claimed they used a polar orbit. They used an inclined orbit and avoid passing through the belts over the equator where they're the strongest. Orion EFT-1 passed through the belts over the equator. That's why the expected dose is so much higher for Orion EFT-1 vs Apollo. I never said you claimed that. I said shills claimed that. Why did you write Liar under that quote? You just lied, right there. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 46966020 Canada 03/11/2016 01:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Oh look, another discussion ruined by the good Dr. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9233880 Good video, OP. Apollo is a joke. Only liars and idiots promote/brag about it. Think about this: Space an open or closed system? Wrong question. Idiotic at that. The real question is whether the ROCKET is an open or closed system. :rocketscience: You know how I know you are a shill? You have this vast knowledge of space and the universe and claim to be the expert at it and yet you choose to hang out on GLP where the most senseless crap gets talked about . An intelligent person like you would not hang out at a place where most people can't even tie their shoes. Let's face it that's reality. Stop shilling. And the fact that any space thread that's anti-common knowledge gets visited by you like it's your job to look out for that. Tell your boss they need to rethink your position. That and he completely ignored my question, called me an idiot, and redirected it towards the fakery of rockets which I've already destroyed using proven science. He'll get mad and post videos. But, you're right - why spend your time here? Just yelling "I'm right" and insulting people trying to talk about the liars at NASA. Exactly. What kind of nerd would waste his time on on a senseless site like this arguing about space to people who don't even have basic math knowledge and then trying to prove them wrong. It just doesn't happen . He should be on the space forums all day instead. |
Gelatinous Mass User ID: 67046660 United States 03/11/2016 01:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Astro, why do you even bother? You get baited every time. I tend to think it is the Mods, perhaps even Trinity, that makes these asinine posts just to get people stirred up. You are being played. NO ONE is this stupid. If they are, they should be killed to prevent inbreeding with their sisters. |
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Dr. Astro Senior Forum Moderator User ID: 55240075 United States 03/11/2016 01:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The highest reported orbit for the vaunted space truck, er, Space Shuttle was a paltry 385 miles to deliver the telescope. I seem to remember an article somewhere that claimed they took it out to 432 miles high at one time. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 63592397 Yes, and the space shuttle wasn't designed to, nor did it have the delta-V, to go beyond low earth orbit. Apples and oranges. The original response was "no, they aren't." Quoting: LiarThen when the NASA dude said they were working on technology to allow passage, the shills claimed the Apollo missions used a polar orbit to pass through at the spot where the belt is weakest. I never claimed they used a polar orbit. They used an inclined orbit and avoid passing through the belts over the equator where they're the strongest. Orion EFT-1 passed through the belts over the equator. That's why the expected dose is so much higher for Orion EFT-1 vs Apollo. I never said you claimed that. I said shills claimed that. I posted information about the trajectory and how they went around the most intense part of the belts back on page 1, that's clearly what you're referring to. Now you want to lie some more and claim that's NOT what you referring to? |
Dr. Astro Senior Forum Moderator User ID: 55240075 United States 03/11/2016 01:33 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Astro, why do you even bother? Quoting: Gelatinous Mass You get baited every time. I tend to think it is the Mods, perhaps even Trinity, that makes these asinine posts just to get people stirred up. You are being played. NO ONE is this stupid. If they are, they should be killed to prevent inbreeding with their sisters. It's not us mods, but it is clearly trolling. Oh well, it's entertaining nevertheless. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 70784905 United States 03/11/2016 01:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Astro, why do you even bother? Quoting: Gelatinous Mass You get baited every time. I tend to think it is the Mods, perhaps even Trinity, that makes these asinine posts just to get people stirred up. You are being played. NO ONE is this stupid. If they are, they should be killed to prevent inbreeding with their sisters. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 63592397 United States 03/11/2016 01:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The highest reported orbit for the vaunted space truck, er, Space Shuttle was a paltry 385 miles to deliver the telescope. I seem to remember an article somewhere that claimed they took it out to 432 miles high at one time. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 63592397 Yes, and the space shuttle wasn't designed to, nor did it have the delta-V, to go beyond low earth orbit. Apples and oranges. The original response was "no, they aren't." Quoting: LiarThen when the NASA dude said they were working on technology to allow passage, the shills claimed the Apollo missions used a polar orbit to pass through at the spot where the belt is weakest. I never claimed they used a polar orbit. They used an inclined orbit and avoid passing through the belts over the equator where they're the strongest. Orion EFT-1 passed through the belts over the equator. That's why the expected dose is so much higher for Orion EFT-1 vs Apollo. I never said you claimed that. I said shills claimed that. I posted information about the trajectory and how they went around the most intense part of the belts back on page 1, that's clearly what you're referring to. Now you want to lie some more and claim that's NOT what you referring to? No, Bright-Eyes, that is not what I was referring to. I was referring to the first instances I saw that excuse given. Man, you sure do get ticked when anybody doubts the BS around here. Watch that blood pressure. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 31875633 United States 03/11/2016 01:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | " "Right now, we can only fly in earth orbit. That's the farthest we can go." " ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ I'll buy that statement... "Flying" implies aerodynamic properties verses gravity. Beyond the atmosphere there is no air. So a "Spacecraft" outside of the atmosphere, does not "Fly", it maneuvers, gravity is minimized and atmosphere is virtually non-existent, "flying" and aerodynamics does not apply... Subterfuge Wording...IMO...Moron... ? |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 71415673 United States 03/11/2016 01:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The highest reported orbit for the vaunted space truck, er, Space Shuttle was a paltry 385 miles to deliver the telescope. I seem to remember an article somewhere that claimed they took it out to 432 miles high at one time. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 63592397 These altitudes are far below the Van Allen belts. The original claims about the Apollo missions being faked were based on the deadly radiation belt being impassable. The original response was "no, they aren't." Then when the NASA dude said they were working on technology to allow passage, the shills claimed the Apollo missions used a polar orbit to pass through at the spot where the belt is weakest. The trouble with this is the near impossibility of steering the craft from a west to east orbit into a polar orbit, a 90 degree change. The fuel required would be a problem for that. I was alive and watching all the coverage during the missions, I saw the graphics they put up to explain how it was done. At no point did they claim a polar orbit, at least not untio a couple years ago. Now they just stick out their jaw and say "we went. Stop being an idiot." The most damning evidence from the human perspective was Neil Armstrong's behavior during interviews. He looked like a guilty, unhappy puppy forced to do something against his character and values. He didn't even show up for a gala celebration in his honor, and died a semi-hermit. He was a poor liar, as most men of character never develop good liar skills. I'm afraid they never went. sorry. This is true what you wrote about Armstrong. I always found his behavior to be exactly as you described. |