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| Daniel User ID: 165023 12/02/2006 11:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The Skeeery bits. {{{The U.S. Commerce Department's security office warns that "a cellular telephone can be turned into a microphone and transmitter for the purpose of listening to conversations in the vicinity of the phone." An article in the Financial Times last year said mobile providers can "remotely install a piece of software on to any handset, without the owner's knowledge, which will activate the microphone even when its owner is not making a call." Nextel and Samsung handsets and the Motorola Razr are especially vulnerable to software downloads that activate their microphones, said James Atkinson, a counter-surveillance consultant who has worked closely with government agencies. "They can be remotely accessed and made to transmit room audio all the time," he said. "You can do that without having physical access to the phone."}}} ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Daniel |
| Omega User ID: 146385 12/02/2006 11:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The article is technically correct. They got you dialed in man. In the US they can pinpoint your location to within 300 meters even when the phone is OFF. Next generation cells will improve this to 10 meters. Now they can remotely activate the microphone. If you want to protect your privacy, pull the fricken battery outta the phone when not in use. Me, don't own a cellphone, and never will. Handguns are a skill; shotguns an art; rifles a science. _____________________________________ Democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on whats for dinner. Disarmament is the precursor to Genocide. Better to take action now rather than chances later. Your choice. |
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| jaderbabe User ID: 164231 12/02/2006 11:45 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | [link to www.infowars.com] Quoting: TerrierFBI taps cell phone mic as eavesdropping tool CNet | December 2, 2006 Declan McCullagh and Anne Broache update: The FBI appears to have begun using a novel form of electronic surveillance in criminal investigations: remotely activating a mobile phone's microphone and using it to eavesdrop on nearby conversations. The technique is called a "roving bug," and was approved by top U.S. Department of Justice officials for use against members of a New York organized crime family who were wary of conventional surveillance techniques such as tailing a suspect or wiretapping him. Nextel cell phones owned by two alleged mobsters, John Ardito and his attorney Peter Peluso, were used by the FBI to listen in on nearby conversations. The FBI views Ardito as one of the most powerful men in the Genovese family, a major part of the national Mafia. The surveillance technique came to light in an opinion published this week by U.S. District Judge Lewis Kaplan. He ruled that the "roving bug" was legal because federal wiretapping law is broad enough to permit eavesdropping even of conversations that take place near a suspect's cell phone. Kaplan's opinion said that the eavesdropping technique "functioned whether the phone was powered on or off." Some handsets can't be fully powered down without removing the battery; for instance, some Nokia models will wake up when turned off if an alarm is set. While the Genovese crime family prosecution appears to be the first time a remote-eavesdropping mechanism has been used in a criminal case, the technique has been discussed in security circles for years. The U.S. Commerce Department's security office warns that "a cellular telephone can be turned into a microphone and transmitter for the purpose of listening to conversations in the vicinity of the phone." An article in the Financial Times last year said mobile providers can "remotely install a piece of software on to any handset, without the owner's knowledge, which will activate the microphone even when its owner is not making a call." Nextel and Samsung handsets and the Motorola Razr are especially vulnerable to software downloads that activate their microphones, said James Atkinson, a counter-surveillance consultant who has worked closely with government agencies. "They can be remotely accessed and made to transmit room audio all the time," he said. "You can do that without having physical access to the phone." Because modern handsets are miniature computers, downloaded software could modify the usual interface that always displays when a call is in progress. The flowers could then place a call to the FBI and activate the microphone--all without the owner knowing it happened. (The FBI declined to comment on Friday.) "If a phone has in fact been modified to act as a bug, the only way to counteract that is to either have a bugsweeper follow you around 24-7, which is not practical, or to peel the battery off the phone," Atkinson said. Security-conscious corporate executives routinely remove the batteries from their cell phones, he added. FBI's physical bugs discovered The FBI's Joint Organized Crime Task Force, which includes members of the New York police department, had little luck with conventional surveillance of the Genovese family. They did have a confidential source who reported the suspects met at restaurants including Brunello Trattoria in New Rochelle, N.Y., which the FBI then bugged. But in July 2003, Ardito and his crew discovered bugs in three restaurants, and the FBI quietly removed the rest. Conversations recounted in FBI affidavits show the men were also highly suspicious of being tailed by police and avoided conversations on cell phones whenever possible. That led the FBI to resort to "roving bugs," first of Ardito's Nextel handset and then of Peluso's. U.S. District Judge Barbara Jones approved them in a series of orders in 2003 and 2004, and said she expected to "be advised of the locations" of the suspects when their conversations were recorded. Details of how the Nextel bugs worked are sketchy. Court documents, including an affidavit (p1) and (p2) prepared by Assistant U.S. Attorney Jonathan Kolodner in September 2003, refer to them as a "listening device placed in the cellular telephone." That phrase could refer to software or hardware. One private investigator interviewed by CNET News.com, Skipp Porteous of Sherlock Investigations in New York, said he believed the FBI planted a physical bug somewhere in the Nextel handset and did not remotely activate the microphone. "They had to have physical possession of the phone to do it," Porteous said. "There are several ways that they could have gotten physical possession. Then they monitored the bug from fairly near by." But other experts thought microphone activation is the more likely scenario, mostly because the battery in a tiny bug would not have lasted a year and because court documents say the bug works anywhere "within the United States"--in other words, outside the range of a nearby FBI agent armed with a radio receiver. In addition, a paranoid Mafioso likely would be suspicious of any ploy to get him to hand over a cell phone so a bug could be planted. And Kolodner's affidavit seeking a court order lists Ardito's phone number, his 15-digit International Mobile Subscriber Identifier, and lists Nextel Communications as the service provider, all of which would be unnecessary if a physical bug were being planted. A BBC article from 2004 reported that intelligence agencies routinely employ the remote-activiation method. "A mobile sitting on the desk of a politician or businessman can act as a powerful, undetectable bug," the article said, "enabling them to be activated at a later date to pick up sounds even when the receiver is down." For its part, Nextel said through spokesman Travis Sowders: "We're not aware of this investigation, and we weren't asked to participate." Other mobile providers were reluctant to talk about this kind of surveillance. Verizon Wireless said only that it "works closely with law enforcement and public safety officials. When presented with legally authorized orders, we assist law enforcement in every way possible." A Motorola representative said that "your best source in this case would be the FBI itself." Cingular, T-Mobile, and the CTIA trade association did not immediately respond to requests for comment. Mobsters: The surveillance vanguard This isn't the first time the federal government has pushed at the limits of electronic surveillance when investigating reputed mobsters. In one case involving Nicodemo S. Scarfo, the alleged mastermind of a loan shark operation in New Jersey, the FBI found itself thwarted when Scarfo used Pretty Good Privacy software (PGP) to encode confidential business data. So with a judge's approval, FBI agents repeatedly snuck into Scarfo's business to plant a keystroke logger and monitor its output. Like Ardito's lawyers, Scarfo's defense attorneys argued that the then-novel technique was not legal and that the information gleaned through it could not be used. Also like Ardito, Scarfo's lawyers lost when a judge ruled in January 2002 that the evidence was admissible. This week, Judge Kaplan in the southern district of New York concluded that the "roving bugs" were legally permitted to capture hundreds of hours of conversations because the FBI had obtained a court order and alternatives probably wouldn't work. The FBI's "applications made a sufficient case for electronic surveillance," Kaplan wrote. "They indicated that alternative methods of investigation either had failed or were unlikely to produce results, in part because the subjects deliberately avoided government surveillance." Bill Stollhans, president of the Private Investigators Association of Virginia, said such a technique would be legally reserved for police armed with court orders, not private investigators. There is "no law that would allow me as a private investigator to use that type of technique," he said. "That is exclusively for law enforcement. It is not allowable or not legal in the private sector. No client of mine can ask me to overhear telephone or strictly oral conversations." Surreptitious activation of built-in microphones by the FBI has been done before. A 2003 lawsuit revealed that the FBI was able to surreptitiously turn on the built-in microphones in automotive systems like General Motors' OnStar to snoop on passengers' conversations. When FBI agents remotely activated the system and were listening in, passengers in the vehicle could not tell that their conversations were being monitored. Malicious hackers have followed suit. A report last year said Spanish authorities had detained a man who write a Trojan horse that secretly activated a computer's video camera and forwarded him the recordings. Wow! Glad my phone with speaker capabilities crapped out a month ago! Wonder if they can listen on a BlueTooth enabled phone? "Never talk religion or politics with your family." Grandpa R. B. Sutton "We can evade reality, but we cannot evade the consequences of evading reality." 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| Fool User ID: 142889 12/02/2006 11:58 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The article is technically correct. They got you dialed in man. In the US they can pinpoint your location to within 300 meters even when the phone is OFF. Next generation cells will improve this to 10 meters. Now they can remotely activate the microphone. Quoting: OmegaIf you want to protect your privacy, pull the fricken battery outta the phone when not in use. Me, don't own a cellphone, and never will. What about everyone around you? |
| Daniel User ID: 165038 12/03/2006 12:10 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Me, don't own a cellphone, and never will. Quoting: Fool 142889What about everyone around you? Why do you need PRIVACY???? Are you "TEARIST" planning something??? ++++++++++++++++++++ Omega - ME too - I used one once when I had a Flat tire out in the contry & one other time. I won't own one. Maybe I'll start uinplugging my Hard Wired Phone from the wall at home too. "They" can listen in on room converstion on that too - even with receiver on the hook. {{{STEEEENKIN' USELESS EATERS don't need no Privacy.}}} says Junior bush. Daniel ![]() |
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| inkubus User ID: 153869 12/03/2006 02:47 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I saw this posted on slashdot ( [link to yro.slashdot.org] The FBI used the blanket method "OR OTHER MEANS" as clearly specified in the document. No modification to the cell phone was made AT ALL. No mods needed. (or feasable) There are actually a few secret goodies available to the feds in many modern cell phones. First... Sat based GPS is NOT required in most cells phones to silently get precise location, as per FCC device regulations and as per millions of dollars in levied and honored fines to lagging noncompliant cell providers. also part of underwraps subsections of ETSI LI spec framework for LI (Lawful Interception) hint at leveraging the E911 feature that makes a cell not be able to disconnect if a 911 operator toggles a cell phone into "stay online no matter what" mode. Heck, ive played with that mode once... had to rip out the battery! (no way to hang up). Technology was added to prevent poor signal drops during a 911 call, but then used to keep line open while victim is delirious or expiring. For docs, Just look for harvesting all spec docs starting with S3LI03 prefix on the net. Or hang around Cryptome or usual places. Regarding the gov tracking your movements in real time (if battery not removed from your non-GPS cell : 1996 the FCC defined a fancier "E911 Phase 2" for more precise ALI information to PSAPs using latitude and longitude information, and to identify a mobile caller's location within 125 meters (410 feet) 67% of the time to the PSAP. A PSAP is one of over 6,000 Public Safety Answering Points (PSAP), some route , some deal directly with initial public calls. FCC 97-402 CC Docket No. 94-102 rules (October 1, 1996). besides the 34-bit Mobile Identification Number (MIN), being sent in Phase I of E911, the 34 bit MIN accepted a "call back' even without a valid phone number, as the 1996 regulation also stipulates that CELL PHONES WITH NO CONTRACT OR DORMANT DEVICES MUST HAVE FREE ACCESS TO 911 service, no matter what. The tracking protocol is independant of billing accept/reject. To allow the cell to be detected within 410 feet WITHOUT GPS, cell phone towers use triangulation methods automated with cellular geolocation systems involving time difference of arrival (TDOA) and angle of arrival (AOA) As for REMOB mode of cell phone (remote observation) the details seem to be partially vender unique, but it is suspected that the table is trivially assigned via Mobile Identification Number (MIN) table lookup in REMOB snitch mode. PLEASE NOTE that the court documents allowing the voice tapping of the MAFIA suspect stated "OR OTHER MEANS". the "OR OTHER MEANS" is the non modified NON_ALTERRED original cell phone being merely set in a VOX mode for packet burst with simple threshold to sleep unless steady VOX activation, controlled partly by other terminal point. Otherwise battery of a modern cell will last only a few hours. I cannot believe all the fools in this thread that actually believe the FBI has ability to add devices INSIDE a modified cell phone. Yeah... like there's lots of empty space!!! The judges papers said OR OTHER MEANS and this other means is the REMOB mode. Similar to onstar silent snitch mode in Cadillacs. If you really want to panic... the FBI buys the RFID scans of all the points on NY turnpike that record car tire RFID that the TREAD act mandates to allow gov to uniquely track movements of all cars by untamperable chips in the tires... even at 90 miles and hour adn 12 feet away (though instead of overpasses for RFID car tires as in parts of I-75, reading coils UNDER the pavement are used, as with the RFID tire impressions collected at canadian border customs booths. I looked up that last part and it does appear that Michelin admits to putting RFID's in tires. There's also this rant: [link to clintjcl.wordpress.com] |
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| Omega User ID: 146385 12/03/2006 04:36 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Quoting: inkubus 153869 Great info, great post!!! :5: Handguns are a skill; shotguns an art; rifles a science. _____________________________________ Democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on whats for dinner. Disarmament is the precursor to Genocide. Better to take action now rather than chances later. Your choice. |
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| big brother sees all User ID: 10555 12/03/2006 06:10 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | pulling the battery will have little effect?? every minute of all cell phone conversations are easily recorded this data when stored as a 4 bit digital file takes very little hard disc space even if this went on 24/7 it would still be possible it never suprises me what techno wonders can do yes they are tracking everybody big brother is real and its' for your own good...ha now what about my computer and video cam?? why don't they have this technology on police gun sights?? then we could really see whats going on out there... The article is technically correct. They got you dialed in man. In the US they can pinpoint your location to within 300 meters even when the phone is OFF. Next generation cells will improve this to 10 meters. Now they can remotely activate the microphone. Quoting: OmegaIf you want to protect your privacy, pull the fricken battery outta the phone when not in use. Me, don't own a cellphone, and never will. |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 165112 12/03/2006 08:43 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It is not just the FBI you have to be careful of, I know someone who has one of these. Spy Phone Only £125 more info.... The Spy Phone is built on proven mobile phone technology and any one who has ever used a mobile phone can operate it. Leave it somewhere and ring it up, its that easy. The Spy Phone makes no sound when being activated or used. You can listen in to any conversations being taken place around the phone [link to www.fonefunshop.co.uk] |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 160850 12/03/2006 11:04 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The article is technically correct. They got you dialed in man. In the US they can pinpoint your location to within 300 meters even when the phone is OFF. Next generation cells will improve this to 10 meters. Now they can remotely activate the microphone. Quoting: OmegaIf you want to protect your privacy, pull the fricken battery outta the phone when not in use. Me, don't own a cellphone, and never will. I find that VERY hard to belive, but to each his own. ![]() |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 165061 12/03/2006 11:21 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I saw this posted on slashdot ( [link to yro.slashdot.org] Quoting: inkubus 153869I looked up that last part and it does appear that Michelin admits to putting RFID's in tires. There's also this rant: [link to clintjcl.wordpress.com] Great info! Thanks! ![]() |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 165159 12/03/2006 11:25 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Some crazy stuff was going on a few years back on my cingular phone,one morning i woke up and my phone on my night stand was on and there was code going across it on the screen but i had turned it off before i went to sleep . So i called a tech about it and he said someone was reprogrammming my phone remotely,so i had to take it in and have them give me another one and change my number. |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 165167 12/03/2006 11:58 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | People! STOP BUYING all this GARBAGE that these corporations are using against us!!!!!!! First they use impoverished people to make this crap, then sell it to people who's jobs have been lost to these countries, and then the corporations have the gall to build in RFID's and "flowers" so the gov't can use it all against us (who are actually run by the corporations anyway). We are so screwed and stupid, we deserve to be treated like morons. Buy the cheapest stuff you can considering it is make for pennies anyway, and ONLY buy what you really and truly need to live your life - screw all these gadgets and things that these corporations are making MEGA money off us. Stop buying the latest, biggest, "best', most expensive stuff!!!!!!!!! Stop buying stuff you don't truly NEED. Get a land line! Use a pay phone! Anything but continually being treated like fools by these corporations!!!!!!!! This is the only way we WIN in the end. Stop being so stupid and greedy and stop letting these coporations and corrupt politics ruin our lives. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 165167 12/03/2006 12:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | People! STOP BUYING all this GARBAGE that these corporations are using against us!!!!!!! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 165167First they use impoverished people to make this crap, then sell it to people who's jobs have been lost to these countries, and then the corporations have the gall to build in RFID's and "flowers" so the gov't can use it all against us (who are actually run by the corporations anyway). We are so screwed and stupid, we deserve to be treated like morons. Buy the cheapest stuff you can considering it is make for pennies anyway, and ONLY buy what you really and truly need to live your life - screw all these gadgets and things that these corporations are making MEGA money off us. Stop buying the latest, biggest, "best', most expensive stuff!!!!!!!!! Stop buying stuff you don't truly NEED. Get a land line! Use a pay phone! Anything but continually being treated like fools by these corporations!!!!!!!! This is the only way we WIN in the end. Stop being so stupid and greedy and stop letting these coporations and corrupt politics ruin our lives. The word flowers- is being changed to "flowers" somehow...... |
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