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ConsciousnessWar User ID: 70783980 Canada 04/14/2016 12:47 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Before this text I just want to point out that I'm not a expert in this field,I could be wrong on some stuff. 1 Ok so first, spacial dimensions,theres alot of those,and we don't recognize more than a few(namely 2nd and third and some people the 4th in astral,very few the 5th) the most known are the 9 main dimensions(theres up to 15 but I have no idea about 10to15) The 9 underworld dimensions(hells of Mayans and other) , and 14 paralel dimensions. 2 In the beginning, source(supposedly not a physical,althought I don't have real proof to say 100%) , created time , it's said in the Emerald Tablets 3 Because otherwise it could not have created everything so that it could experience itself as time connects events and give it meaning. Time stays the same in it's relative dimensions,because they each have their own. 4 Since source is immuable and the word(frequency)=light I think,which is permanent from the time it created time+space+sound 5 BUT ,Thoth says we can move through time and are not eternally bound by it, which means we can out of body and go it other dimensions, go to past or futur etc. And that our body is only bound to this 3rd dimension matrix if we don't get out of the illusion of it being the only thing that exist(originating from the ego or just ignorance) ************************************************************* 6 So for the next section of your post. ""That at the beginning of 'Time' everything was compressed into a single point"" Hows did the everything exist in the first place,that's the real hard question. 7 But saying straight up that it's the demiurge for this universe lacks proof(it could be possible)but has several illogical issues. Assuming it's an artificial intelligence,how did it create itself(points out that something created it), or create anything that is not linear, or create something that has caracteristic that it does not have and probably don't understand, like heart and spirit. It could comes from either parallel dimensions or lower dimensions or elsewhere. 8 Heres a very informative website, that points out the difference between artificial and sentient creator. [link to montalk.net] Last Edited by ConsciousnessWar on 04/14/2016 12:53 AM ConsciousnessWar |
Saracen User ID: 69152714 Canada 04/14/2016 01:59 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It's not conceivable that there was nothing. Quoting: Craazee8 What does nothing mean? We recognize Spacial Dimensions, and what we call Time is the change in position of two things relative to each other broken into a measurement(that we create). Atomic time is the 'vibration' of atoms (the change in position of electrons in the atom). How can there ever have been no Atoms? The Simple explanation is the 'Singularity'. That at the beginning of 'Time' everything was compressed into a single point. (There was no 'space' and therefore no 'time'. The mass of this point was so great that the force of gravity exploded it and space and time begin. Theoretically this happens over and over and over. Theoretically this allows for other dimensions where the same process has occurred. But, can this have always been? Or, must it itself have had a start and then what was there before that? The Demiurge is the allowance that this did have a beginning, it was put in motion by a 'God'; but, that God may not actually be supreme over the greater process and only supreme in the sense that he began this particular universe. In which case, other transcendent beings maybe have influence here. Without this you have the inexplicable of infinite infinities. You see, black people were once one, both spiritually and materially. Then came a (g)od by the name of Yahweh/Jacob/Demiurge/(g)od who wanted to experience imperfection by way of separation. Remember in perfection, there is only stagnation or in other-words, little growth. The only way to bring forth a world in which he envisioned, a certain being or collective needed to made to manifest such experiences. www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message2848975/pg1 Who are those beings you ask? Archons or by his more commonly known name, Lucifer! Thread: Lucifer Embodies Many! Thread: If Lucifer is the "Prince" of Darkness... Besides the mention of the Demiurge, you are simply referencing Qabalic creation or how things come from "no"-"thing". Remember, All is mind! Everything we see around us, whether made by our hands or not, all came from the black man and womans mind. We are just the representation of that mind, in physical form! Thread: Eliphas Levi: A history of Magic |
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Craazee8 (OP) User ID: 71063658 United States 04/15/2016 04:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Before this text I just want to point out that I'm not a expert in this field,I could be wrong on some stuff. Quoting: ConsciousnessWar 1 Ok so first, spacial dimensions,theres alot of those,and we don't recognize more than a few(namely 2nd and third and some people the 4th in astral,very few the 5th) the most known are the 9 main dimensions(theres up to 15 but I have no idea about 10to15) The 9 underworld dimensions(hells of Mayans and other) , and 14 paralel dimensions. 2 In the beginning, source(supposedly not a physical,althought I don't have real proof to say 100%) , created time , it's said in the Emerald Tablets 3 Because otherwise it could not have created everything so that it could experience itself as time connects events and give it meaning. Time stays the same in it's relative dimensions,because they each have their own. This is interesting and in principle aligns with Taoism. Motionless returns you to a timeless state, because motion (change in relative position) is the only measurement that applies to time. 4 Since source is immuable and the word(frequency)=light I think,which is permanent from the time it created time+space+sound Quoting: ConsciousnessWar Light is energy, energy is matter at a speed (motion...ie...time) 5 BUT ,Thoth says we can move through time and are not eternally bound by it, which means we can out of body and go it other dimensions, go to past or futur etc. And that our body is only bound to this 3rd dimension matrix if we don't get out of the illusion of it being the only thing that exist(originating from the ego or just ignorance) Quoting: ConsciousnessWar ************************************************************* 6 So for the next section of your post. ""That at the beginning of 'Time' everything was compressed into a single point"" Hows did the everything exist in the first place,that's the real hard question. Tru dat. But we are narrowed by our dimensional basis to not perceive outside this universe...so we don't know 7 But saying straight up that it's the demiurge for this universe lacks proof(it could be possible)but has several illogical issues. Quoting: ConsciousnessWar Assuming it's an artificial intelligence,how did it create itself(points out that something created it), or create anything that is not linear, or create something that has caracteristic that it does not have and probably don't understand, like heart and spirit. It could comes from either parallel dimensions or lower dimensions or elsewhere. Point being, the Demiurge is not the True 'God' in the sense that greater beings maybe created him and his dimensionality paradigms. Again, we can't know from within the context of our dimensionality 8 Heres a very informative website, that points out the difference between artificial and sentient creator. Quoting: ConsciousnessWar [link to montalk.net] You're thougts are very perceptive. |
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Craazee8 (OP) User ID: 71063658 United States 04/15/2016 04:10 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It's not conceivable that there was nothing. Quoting: Craazee8 What does nothing mean? We recognize Spacial Dimensions, and what we call Time is the change in position of two things relative to each other broken into a measurement(that we create). Atomic time is the 'vibration' of atoms (the change in position of electrons in the atom). How can there ever have been no Atoms? The Simple explanation is the 'Singularity'. That at the beginning of 'Time' everything was compressed into a single point. (There was no 'space' and therefore no 'time'. The mass of this point was so great that the force of gravity exploded it and space and time begin. Theoretically this happens over and over and over. Theoretically this allows for other dimensions where the same process has occurred. But, can this have always been? Or, must it itself have had a start and then what was there before that? The Demiurge is the allowance that this did have a beginning, it was put in motion by a 'God'; but, that God may not actually be supreme over the greater process and only supreme in the sense that he began this particular universe. In which case, other transcendent beings maybe have influence here. Without this you have the inexplicable of infinite infinities. You see, black people were once one, both spiritually and materially. Then came a (g)od by the name of Yahweh/Jacob/Demiurge/(g)od who wanted to experience imperfection by way of separation. Remember in perfection, there is only stagnation or in other-words, little growth. The only way to bring forth a world in which he envisioned, a certain being or collective needed to made to manifest such experiences. www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message2848975/pg1 Who are those beings you ask? Archons or by his more commonly known name, Lucifer! Thread: Lucifer Embodies Many! Thread: If Lucifer is the "Prince" of Darkness... Besides the mention of the Demiurge, you are simply referencing Qabalic creation or how things come from "no"-"thing". Remember, All is mind! Everything we see around us, whether made by our hands or not, all came from the black man and womans mind. We are just the representation of that mind, in physical form! Thread: Eliphas Levi: A history of Magic Remember in perfection, there is only stagnation or in other-words, little growth. Quoting: Saracen 69152714 This is only correct because 'perfection' and 'stagnation' are limited concepts that you are trying to apply to something unlimited (via our paradigms). To say that within perfection there is stagnation, is to say that 'perfection' is not perfect. Your limited perception causes you to enter into a tautology. This is the basis of the poem 'Sunday Morning' by Wallace Stevens. Last Edited by Craazee8 on 04/15/2016 07:48 PM |
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Craazee8 (OP) User ID: 71063658 United States 04/15/2016 07:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Then if he is not the 'God' (creator) of this dimensional construct, what is he? (He is not the correct word but the easiest to use). Is there another that was the creator who abandoned us? That is what some Gnostics seemed to believe. If he doesn't own it, why is playing in it? Last Edited by Craazee8 on 04/15/2016 08:00 PM |
Craazee8 (OP) User ID: 71063658 United States 04/15/2016 07:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Can you explain quote " how creation or how things come from "no"-"thing". Particularly the no-thing and how can something be created from nothing ? Thanx. Quoting: ConsciousnessWar This is a paradox. (And perhaps a paradigm or limit to our understanding?) There can not be nothing because we can't perceive nothing. So, you have two choices. The dimensional reality we perceive must have either been made (from the nothing)...which we can't comprehend. Or it must have always been, and is infinite...repeating endlessly, or somehow a motionless thing (existing outside of time) that was set in motion (requiring a prime mover..the Demiurge). But what is the limit of the demiurge? Infinite and always in existence, or himself created from nothing by something beyond even that. |
dogman17 User ID: 45845385 United States 04/16/2016 11:14 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Then if he is not the 'God' (creator) of this dimensional construct, what is he? (He is not the correct word but the easiest to use). Is there another that was the creator who abandoned us? That is what some Gnostics seemed to believe. If he doesn't own it, why is playing in it? No demiurge. No God. Why make one up? Just to believe in something? Just don't make anything up. |
Craazee8 (OP) User ID: 71063658 United States 04/16/2016 05:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Then if he is not the 'God' (creator) of this dimensional construct, what is he? (He is not the correct word but the easiest to use). Is there another that was the creator who abandoned us? That is what some Gnostics seemed to believe. If he doesn't own it, why is playing in it? No demiurge. No God. Why make one up? Just to believe in something? If that is where you are, obviously you didn't read this thread, and the topic is over your head. Nap time for you. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 72019887 Ireland 04/16/2016 07:58 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | OP, I believe you are on the right track. The creator/demiurge created this Universe with material from a cess pool of the contaminated remains of previous Universes....this is the forbidden tree of knowledge of good and evil. Nowhere else is the split dyadic nature of this reality a feature. The creator was also creating with an imperfect set of building tools, himself having being created by his mother Sophia without consent of the Divine Spirit, he is therefore incomplete and very insecure about it... There are an infinite number of Universes and creators..this one though is different..the chief archon creator has trapped Celestial man here in the holographic/material illusion so that he may be a source of spiritual food for the creator and his cohorts. To address your original question how can there have ever been no Atoms/Adams suffice to say that there is and always has been only 'One' and that One is Source, everything is made from it and it is in everything. Peace |
Craazee8 (OP) User ID: 71063658 United States 04/16/2016 08:58 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | OP, I believe you are on the right track. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72019887 The creator/demiurge created this Universe with material from a cess pool of the contaminated remains of previous Universes....this is the forbidden tree of knowledge of good and evil. Nowhere else is the split dyadic nature of this reality a feature. The creator was also creating with an imperfect set of building tools, himself having being created by his mother Sophia without consent of the Divine Spirit, he is therefore incomplete and very insecure about it... There are an infinite number of Universes and creators..this one though is different..the chief archon creator has trapped Celestial man here in the holographic/material illusion so that he may be a source of spiritual food for the creator and his cohorts. To address your original question how can there have ever been no Atoms/Adams suffice to say that there is and always has been only 'One' and that One is Source, everything is made from it and it is in everything. Peace So there is an ocean of creators floating in the infinity of the divine spirit and the demiurge is just a turdlet, let loose by the mistake of knowledge, into the perfection of the unity, and reaches out into the pollution of his being and splats the holy essence into the singularity that explodes out to the dimensional realms of our existence. And still we are within the essence of the polluted demiurge who knows the reality of the unity and denies it to us in order to fulfill his polluted vile self. As Robert Fripp put it, "you can not achieve pain without suffering". Last Edited by Craazee8 on 04/16/2016 08:59 PM |
Saracen User ID: 69152714 Canada 04/16/2016 09:10 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It's not conceivable that there was nothing. Quoting: Craazee8 What does nothing mean? We recognize Spacial Dimensions, and what we call Time is the change in position of two things relative to each other broken into a measurement(that we create). Atomic time is the 'vibration' of atoms (the change in position of electrons in the atom). How can there ever have been no Atoms? The Simple explanation is the 'Singularity'. That at the beginning of 'Time' everything was compressed into a single point. (There was no 'space' and therefore no 'time'. The mass of this point was so great that the force of gravity exploded it and space and time begin. Theoretically this happens over and over and over. Theoretically this allows for other dimensions where the same process has occurred. But, can this have always been? Or, must it itself have had a start and then what was there before that? The Demiurge is the allowance that this did have a beginning, it was put in motion by a 'God'; but, that God may not actually be supreme over the greater process and only supreme in the sense that he began this particular universe. In which case, other transcendent beings maybe have influence here. Without this you have the inexplicable of infinite infinities. You see, black people were once one, both spiritually and materially. Then came a (g)od by the name of Yahweh/Jacob/Demiurge/(g)od who wanted to experience imperfection by way of separation. Remember in perfection, there is only stagnation or in other-words, little growth. The only way to bring forth a world in which he envisioned, a certain being or collective needed to made to manifest such experiences. www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message2848975/pg1 Who are those beings you ask? Archons or by his more commonly known name, Lucifer! Thread: Lucifer Embodies Many! Thread: If Lucifer is the "Prince" of Darkness... Besides the mention of the Demiurge, you are simply referencing Qabalic creation or how things come from "no"-"thing". Remember, All is mind! Everything we see around us, whether made by our hands or not, all came from the black man and womans mind. We are just the representation of that mind, in physical form! Thread: Eliphas Levi: A history of Magic Remember in perfection, there is only stagnation or in other-words, little growth. Quoting: Saracen 69152714 This is only correct because 'perfection' and 'stagnation' are limited concepts that you are trying to apply to something unlimited (via our paradigms). To say that within perfection there is stagnation, is to say that 'perfection' is not perfect. Your limited perception causes you to enter into a tautology. This is the basis of the poem 'Sunday Morning' by Wallace Stevens. Those concepts are only limited in this paradigm because the collective who defines them is limited. When Nas said: "Your arms are too short to box with (g)od" He was not kidding lol |
Saracen User ID: 69152714 Canada 04/16/2016 09:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Can you explain quote " how creation or how things come from "no"-"thing". Particularly the no-thing and how can something be created from nothing ? Thanx. Quoting: ConsciousnessWar This is a paradox. (And perhaps a paradigm or limit to our understanding?) There can not be nothing because we can't perceive nothing. So, you have two choices. The dimensional reality we perceive must have either been made (from the nothing)...which we can't comprehend. Or it must have always been, and is infinite...repeating endlessly, or somehow a motionless thing (existing outside of time) that was set in motion (requiring a prime mover..the Demiurge). But what is the limit of the demiurge? Infinite and always in existence, or himself created from nothing by something beyond even that. Only those who are of original creation can comprehend it. Those made in the image of those who are original can only study it. This won't get you far in spiritual matters because to really know something is, is to experience it. |
Saracen User ID: 69152714 Canada 04/16/2016 09:30 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Can you explain quote " how creation or how things come from "no"-"thing". Particularly the no-thing and how can something be created from nothing ? Thanx. Quoting: ConsciousnessWar When you put pen to paper, where did that thought come from? I mean can you physically hold that thought, like is it tangible? It basically is "no"-"thing". It only becomes something when you actually put those thoughts to paper or speak them. Now, take that example and apply it to the greater universe. A universal consciousness or mind. Remember, the mind of Man is microcosmic reflection of the macrocosmic universal mind, with the black man and women being the highest representation of that mind. |
dogman17 User ID: 45845385 United States 04/16/2016 09:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It's not conceivable that there was nothing. Quoting: Craazee8 What does nothing mean? We recognize Spacial Dimensions, and what we call Time is the change in position of two things relative to each other broken into a measurement(that we create). Atomic time is the 'vibration' of atoms (the change in position of electrons in the atom). How can there ever have been no Atoms? The Simple explanation is the 'Singularity'. That at the beginning of 'Time' everything was compressed into a single point. (There was no 'space' and therefore no 'time'. The mass of this point was so great that the force of gravity exploded it and space and time begin. Theoretically this happens over and over and over. Theoretically this allows for other dimensions where the same process has occurred. But, can this have always been? Or, must it itself have had a start and then what was there before that? The Demiurge is the allowance that this did have a beginning, it was put in motion by a 'God'; but, that God may not actually be supreme over the greater process and only supreme in the sense that he began this particular universe. In which case, other transcendent beings maybe have influence here. Without this you have the inexplicable of infinite infinities. Though the thread writer thinks it is inconceivable, why must he believe that there was ever NOTHING? It is much more likely that there was always SOMETHING. And it is much more likely that there never has been a beginning. Things change and they stay the same. Our current universe is most likely a burp out of the multiverse. No need for a demiurge or a personal God to have ever gotten involved. Just don't make anything up. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 72019887 Ireland 04/17/2016 05:36 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | OP, I believe you are on the right track. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72019887 The creator/demiurge created this Universe with material from a cess pool of the contaminated remains of previous Universes....this is the forbidden tree of knowledge of good and evil. Nowhere else is the split dyadic nature of this reality a feature. The creator was also creating with an imperfect set of building tools, himself having being created by his mother Sophia without consent of the Divine Spirit, he is therefore incomplete and very insecure about it... There are an infinite number of Universes and creators..this one though is different..the chief archon creator has trapped Celestial man here in the holographic/material illusion so that he may be a source of spiritual food for the creator and his cohorts. To address your original question how can there have ever been no Atoms/Adams suffice to say that there is and always has been only 'One' and that One is Source, everything is made from it and it is in everything. Peace So there is an ocean of creators floating in the infinity of the divine spirit and the demiurge is just a turdlet, let loose by the mistake of knowledge, into the perfection of the unity, and reaches out into the pollution of his being and splats the holy essence into the singularity that explodes out to the dimensional realms of our existence. And still we are within the essence of the polluted demiurge who knows the reality of the unity and denies it to us in order to fulfill his polluted vile self. As Robert Fripp put it, "you can not achieve pain without suffering". OP, I like your use of "turdlet" :) I am reading a book at the moment which I highly, highly recommend which is deals with all this in detail.. Can You Stand the Truth? the Chronicle of Man's Imprisonment: Last Call! by Angeliki S Anagnostou-Kalogera I am being urged to urge you to read this.. peace |
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Craazee8 (OP) User ID: 71063658 United States 04/17/2016 01:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It's not conceivable that there was nothing. Quoting: Craazee8 What does nothing mean? We recognize Spacial Dimensions, and what we call Time is the change in position of two things relative to each other broken into a measurement(that we create). Atomic time is the 'vibration' of atoms (the change in position of electrons in the atom). How can there ever have been no Atoms? The Simple explanation is the 'Singularity'. That at the beginning of 'Time' everything was compressed into a single point. (There was no 'space' and therefore no 'time'. The mass of this point was so great that the force of gravity exploded it and space and time begin. Theoretically this happens over and over and over. Theoretically this allows for other dimensions where the same process has occurred. But, can this have always been? Or, must it itself have had a start and then what was there before that? The Demiurge is the allowance that this did have a beginning, it was put in motion by a 'God'; but, that God may not actually be supreme over the greater process and only supreme in the sense that he began this particular universe. In which case, other transcendent beings maybe have influence here. Without this you have the inexplicable of infinite infinities. You see, black people were once one, both spiritually and materially. Then came a (g)od by the name of Yahweh/Jacob/Demiurge/(g)od who wanted to experience imperfection by way of separation. Remember in perfection, there is only stagnation or in other-words, little growth. The only way to bring forth a world in which he envisioned, a certain being or collective needed to made to manifest such experiences. www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message2848975/pg1 Who are those beings you ask? Archons or by his more commonly known name, Lucifer! Thread: Lucifer Embodies Many! Thread: If Lucifer is the "Prince" of Darkness... Besides the mention of the Demiurge, you are simply referencing Qabalic creation or how things come from "no"-"thing". Remember, All is mind! Everything we see around us, whether made by our hands or not, all came from the black man and womans mind. We are just the representation of that mind, in physical form! Thread: Eliphas Levi: A history of Magic Remember in perfection, there is only stagnation or in other-words, little growth. Quoting: Saracen 69152714 This is only correct because 'perfection' and 'stagnation' are limited concepts that you are trying to apply to something unlimited (via our paradigms). To say that within perfection there is stagnation, is to say that 'perfection' is not perfect. Your limited perception causes you to enter into a tautology. This is the basis of the poem 'Sunday Morning' by Wallace Stevens. Those concepts are only limited in this paradigm because the collective who defines them is limited. When Nas said: "Your arms are too short to box with (g)od" He was not kidding lol Any human definition is a limit |
Craazee8 (OP) User ID: 71063658 United States 04/17/2016 01:30 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Can you explain quote " how creation or how things come from "no"-"thing". Particularly the no-thing and how can something be created from nothing ? Thanx. Quoting: ConsciousnessWar This is a paradox. (And perhaps a paradigm or limit to our understanding?) There can not be nothing because we can't perceive nothing. So, you have two choices. The dimensional reality we perceive must have either been made (from the nothing)...which we can't comprehend. Or it must have always been, and is infinite...repeating endlessly, or somehow a motionless thing (existing outside of time) that was set in motion (requiring a prime mover..the Demiurge). But what is the limit of the demiurge? Infinite and always in existence, or himself created from nothing by something beyond even that. Only those who are of original creation can comprehend it. Those made in the image of those who are original can only study it. This won't get you far in spiritual matters because to really know something is, is to experience it. Wow. Well put. |
Craazee8 (OP) User ID: 71063658 United States 04/17/2016 01:32 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Can you explain quote " how creation or how things come from "no"-"thing". Particularly the no-thing and how can something be created from nothing ? Thanx. Quoting: ConsciousnessWar When you put pen to paper, where did that thought come from? I mean can you physically hold that thought, like is it tangible? It basically is "no"-"thing". It only becomes something when you actually put those thoughts to paper or speak them. Now, take that example and apply it to the greater universe. A universal consciousness or mind. Remember, the mind of Man is microcosmic reflection of the macrocosmic universal mind, with the black man and women being the highest representation of that mind. I'm not sure a thought becomes a something because it is thought. Is the thought not really just the recognition of something that was independent of your thinking it? |
Craazee8 (OP) User ID: 71063658 United States 04/17/2016 01:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It's not conceivable that there was nothing. Quoting: Craazee8 What does nothing mean? We recognize Spacial Dimensions, and what we call Time is the change in position of two things relative to each other broken into a measurement(that we create). Atomic time is the 'vibration' of atoms (the change in position of electrons in the atom). How can there ever have been no Atoms? The Simple explanation is the 'Singularity'. That at the beginning of 'Time' everything was compressed into a single point. (There was no 'space' and therefore no 'time'. The mass of this point was so great that the force of gravity exploded it and space and time begin. Theoretically this happens over and over and over. Theoretically this allows for other dimensions where the same process has occurred. But, can this have always been? Or, must it itself have had a start and then what was there before that? The Demiurge is the allowance that this did have a beginning, it was put in motion by a 'God'; but, that God may not actually be supreme over the greater process and only supreme in the sense that he began this particular universe. In which case, other transcendent beings maybe have influence here. Without this you have the inexplicable of infinite infinities. Though the thread writer thinks it is inconceivable, why must he believe that there was ever NOTHING? It is much more likely that there was always SOMETHING. And it is much more likely that there never has been a beginning. Things change and they stay the same. Our current universe is most likely a burp out of the multiverse. No need for a demiurge or a personal God to have ever gotten involved. To cite infinity as the solution raises the question, musn't there have been a start to it? |
Craazee8 (OP) User ID: 71063658 United States 04/17/2016 01:35 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | OP, I believe you are on the right track. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72019887 The creator/demiurge created this Universe with material from a cess pool of the contaminated remains of previous Universes....this is the forbidden tree of knowledge of good and evil. Nowhere else is the split dyadic nature of this reality a feature. The creator was also creating with an imperfect set of building tools, himself having being created by his mother Sophia without consent of the Divine Spirit, he is therefore incomplete and very insecure about it... There are an infinite number of Universes and creators..this one though is different..the chief archon creator has trapped Celestial man here in the holographic/material illusion so that he may be a source of spiritual food for the creator and his cohorts. To address your original question how can there have ever been no Atoms/Adams suffice to say that there is and always has been only 'One' and that One is Source, everything is made from it and it is in everything. Peace So there is an ocean of creators floating in the infinity of the divine spirit and the demiurge is just a turdlet, let loose by the mistake of knowledge, into the perfection of the unity, and reaches out into the pollution of his being and splats the holy essence into the singularity that explodes out to the dimensional realms of our existence. And still we are within the essence of the polluted demiurge who knows the reality of the unity and denies it to us in order to fulfill his polluted vile self. As Robert Fripp put it, "you can not achieve pain without suffering". OP, I like your use of "turdlet" :) I am reading a book at the moment which I highly, highly recommend which is deals with all this in detail.. Can You Stand the Truth? the Chronicle of Man's Imprisonment: Last Call! by Angeliki S Anagnostou-Kalogera I am being urged to urge you to read this.. peace Thanks much. I will check it out. |
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dogman17 User ID: 45845385 United States 04/17/2016 01:38 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It's not conceivable that there was nothing. Quoting: Craazee8 What does nothing mean? We recognize Spacial Dimensions, and what we call Time is the change in position of two things relative to each other broken into a measurement(that we create). Atomic time is the 'vibration' of atoms (the change in position of electrons in the atom). How can there ever have been no Atoms? The Simple explanation is the 'Singularity'. That at the beginning of 'Time' everything was compressed into a single point. (There was no 'space' and therefore no 'time'. The mass of this point was so great that the force of gravity exploded it and space and time begin. Theoretically this happens over and over and over. Theoretically this allows for other dimensions where the same process has occurred. But, can this have always been? Or, must it itself have had a start and then what was there before that? The Demiurge is the allowance that this did have a beginning, it was put in motion by a 'God'; but, that God may not actually be supreme over the greater process and only supreme in the sense that he began this particular universe. In which case, other transcendent beings maybe have influence here. Without this you have the inexplicable of infinite infinities. Though the thread writer thinks it is inconceivable, why must he believe that there was ever NOTHING? It is much more likely that there was always SOMETHING. And it is much more likely that there never has been a beginning. Things change and they stay the same. Our current universe is most likely a burp out of the multiverse. No need for a demiurge or a personal God to have ever gotten involved. To cite infinity as the solution raises the question, musn't there have been a start to it? Why? Really? What was there then before "a start to it?" Just don't make anything up. |
Saracen User ID: 69152714 Canada 04/17/2016 01:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Saracen 69152714 You see, black people were once one, both spiritually and materially. Then came a (g)od by the name of Yahweh/Jacob/Demiurge/(g)od who wanted to experience imperfection by way of separation. Remember in perfection, there is only stagnation or in other-words, little growth. The only way to bring forth a world in which he envisioned, a certain being or collective needed to made to manifest such experiences. www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message2848975/pg1 Who are those beings you ask? Archons or by his more commonly known name, Lucifer! Thread: Lucifer Embodies Many! Thread: If Lucifer is the "Prince" of Darkness... Besides the mention of the Demiurge, you are simply referencing Qabalic creation or how things come from "no"-"thing". Remember, All is mind! Everything we see around us, whether made by our hands or not, all came from the black man and womans mind. We are just the representation of that mind, in physical form! Thread: Eliphas Levi: A history of Magic Remember in perfection, there is only stagnation or in other-words, little growth. Quoting: Saracen 69152714 This is only correct because 'perfection' and 'stagnation' are limited concepts that you are trying to apply to something unlimited (via our paradigms). To say that within perfection there is stagnation, is to say that 'perfection' is not perfect. Your limited perception causes you to enter into a tautology. This is the basis of the poem 'Sunday Morning' by Wallace Stevens. Those concepts are only limited in this paradigm because the collective who defines them is limited. When Nas said: "Your arms are too short to box with (g)od" He was not kidding lol Any human definition is a limit How so? |
Saracen User ID: 69152714 Canada 04/17/2016 02:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Can you explain quote " how creation or how things come from "no"-"thing". Particularly the no-thing and how can something be created from nothing ? Thanx. Quoting: ConsciousnessWar When you put pen to paper, where did that thought come from? I mean can you physically hold that thought, like is it tangible? It basically is "no"-"thing". It only becomes something when you actually put those thoughts to paper or speak them. Now, take that example and apply it to the greater universe. A universal consciousness or mind. Remember, the mind of Man is microcosmic reflection of the macrocosmic universal mind, with the black man and women being the highest representation of that mind. I'm not sure a thought becomes a something because it is thought. Is the thought not really just the recognition of something that was independent of your thinking it? Okay I will give you another example. There was a study where they were trying to see how the human mind or consciousness can effect the physical world, simply through our thoughts or intentions. They did this by using random number generators. Each machine without human influence would produce the equal number of 1's and 0's as a control. Now the test subjects were told to go in front of the machine and through their thoughts alone, make machine produce either more 1's or 0's. What they realized was that when the people were in front of it, the generators actually did what the test subjects intended. Do you understand me now? |
Craazee8 (OP) User ID: 71063658 United States 04/17/2016 05:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Craazee8 ... This is only correct because 'perfection' and 'stagnation' are limited concepts that you are trying to apply to something unlimited (via our paradigms). To say that within perfection there is stagnation, is to say that 'perfection' is not perfect. Your limited perception causes you to enter into a tautology. This is the basis of the poem 'Sunday Morning' by Wallace Stevens. Those concepts are only limited in this paradigm because the collective who defines them is limited. When Nas said: "Your arms are too short to box with (g)od" He was not kidding lol Any human definition is a limit How so? One of the fundamental principles of Taoist thought. There is just a unity, naming any part of the unity is to fail to see the unity. There is a ying and a yang. Only by defining Good can there be bad. Every thing a human being perceives is from the limited perception a human has. He can not conceive the unity and therefore can only define a limited part of anything. |