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Anonymous Coward User ID: 71064561 United States 04/27/2016 03:43 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71064561 Reposting because you did not reply and this sorta wrecks your arguement via govt website The temperature at 7 miles is not 60 degrees. And temperature isn't the only factor in icing. Supercooled precipitation is the cause of icing. There isn't enough moisture in the ambient air at 30,000 feet to cause an issue. But I now suspect they also hadnt properly considered the temperatures involved, and that also the solid ice deposition and accretion would produce by interference the same sequence (in effect).. If exhaust steam at 1100 deg C cools down a 1000 degrees to visibility, hence changing phase to liquid at 100 degrees taking out 540 Kcal/gram in a fraction of a second, I cannot see how it could waste much time at all making a second phase change to solid at 0 degrees taking out only 80 Kcal/gram and dropping a further 30 degrees?? You seem like the only single person in the world with your opinion... Not even real experts agree Would you like to explain why you used a post from Jazzroc on contrailscience from the aerodynamic contrail page from 2008 as your own words? Do you have ANY idea what those words mean? Are you also aware that Jazzroc is a debunker? And that the above phrase is evidence of MY position being true, not yours? What a scumbag troll you are! Haha how literally stupid do you have to be.... Yes, although im sure you dont. He is curious to the fact that how does vapor condenses 1000 degrees so quickly to the visible point, compared to it stagnating at that extra 100 for so long, like why does it take considerably longer for the vapor to lose 60 kCals compared to 540.... Im sure youre an expert in thermo and can explain that one.... And that actually goes in the face of your argument, so your deductive reasoning skills are far below par anyways. And so what if its from 08? That has zero relevance, considering you were tagging stuff from the 20's LOL! Seeing your rhetoric now, youre not even here to disprove anything, you just like to TRY to get people mad, and it fails miserably. Id be surprised if your handle lasts another month or two, before your employers see how bad you are at your job |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 71064561 United States 04/27/2016 03:45 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Show me an expert in atmospheric science that doesn't agree with me. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71203502 Not my responsibility to prove your claims, Mr Non-Atmospheric Scientist with a slough of opinions and insults. Go play on the freeway kid, you bother me. It's your responsibility to prove YOUR claims. And you can't. This is my thread. I think I'll stick around. You, may not. I have showed him a couple, although he will say they are not. Dont feed the troll man, thats all this has been is trying to get people to do. Just read his thread titles and couple first lines of a long reply... total click bait! , |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 71064561 United States 04/27/2016 03:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Engineer Clifford E. Carnicom, US, New Mexico. Meteorologist Scott Stevens, US. Atmospheric scientist Neil Finley Canada. Doctor Michael Castle US. Toxicologist Dr. Hildegarde Staninger US, Los Angeles. Indipendent jornalist William Thomas Canada. Research and activist Jerry E. Smith US, California. Research Tom Montalk USA. Biologist Dr. Michael Castle USA. Biologist Dr. Giorgio Pattera Italy. Director of Nexus Magazin Tom Bosco Australia. Look up all of these qualified individuals and their opinions on the matter, they seem to be experts LOL! |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 70627520 United States 04/27/2016 04:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Educated skeptic The temperature at 7 miles is not 60 degrees. And temperature isn't the only factor in icing. Supercooled precipitation is the cause of icing. There isn't enough moisture in the ambient air at 30,000 feet to cause an issue. But I now suspect they also hadnt properly considered the temperatures involved, and that also the solid ice deposition and accretion would produce by interference the same sequence (in effect).. If exhaust steam at 1100 deg C cools down a 1000 degrees to visibility, hence changing phase to liquid at 100 degrees taking out 540 Kcal/gram in a fraction of a second, I cannot see how it could waste much time at all making a second phase change to solid at 0 degrees taking out only 80 Kcal/gram and dropping a further 30 degrees?? You seem like the only single person in the world with your opinion... Not even real experts agree Would you like to explain why you used a post from Jazzroc on contrailscience from the aerodynamic contrail page from 2008 as your own words? Do you have ANY idea what those words mean? Are you also aware that Jazzroc is a debunker? And that the above phrase is evidence of MY position being true, not yours? What a scumbag troll you are! Haha how literally stupid do you have to be.... Yes, although im sure you dont. He is curious to the fact that how does vapor condenses 1000 degrees so quickly to the visible point, compared to it stagnating at that extra 100 for so long, like why does it take considerably longer for the vapor to lose 60 kCals compared to 540.... Im sure youre an expert in thermo and can explain that one.... And that actually goes in the face of your argument, so your deductive reasoning skills are far below par anyways. And so what if its from 08? That has zero relevance, considering you were tagging stuff from the 20's LOL! Seeing your rhetoric now, youre not even here to disprove anything, you just like to TRY to get people mad, and it fails miserably. Id be surprised if your handle lasts another month or two, before your employers see how bad you are at your job Jazzroc is not a chemtard, he's a debunker and you were caught posting someone else's words as your own. Pathetic! |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 70627520 United States 04/27/2016 04:35 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Engineer Clifford E. Carnicom, US, New Mexico. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71064561 Meteorologist Scott Stevens, US. Atmospheric scientist Neil Finley Canada. Doctor Michael Castle US. Toxicologist Dr. Hildegarde Staninger US, Los Angeles. Indipendent jornalist William Thomas Canada. Research and activist Jerry E. Smith US, California. Research Tom Montalk USA. Biologist Dr. Michael Castle USA. Biologist Dr. Giorgio Pattera Italy. Director of Nexus Magazin Tom Bosco Australia. Look up all of these qualified individuals and their opinions on the matter, they seem to be experts LOL! Is Scott Stevens a meteorologist!? Are you sure? What is Carnicoms background? It's laughable! "Independent journalist" that's like "chemtrail researcher" hilarious! Will Thomas was the very first chemtard! I don't know Neil Finley but all the others are not educated in atmospheric science and just happen to be chemtard's who make aasumptions. I know a Harvard Pshchologist that's a chemtard. Big deal! "Researcher" I love it!!! Anyone can call themselves a researcher! Ya use Google once you're researching! |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 70627520 United States 04/27/2016 04:45 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Contrails were first noticed during high-altitude flights in the 1920's. [link to science-edu.larc.nasa.gov] |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 70627520 United States 04/27/2016 05:58 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I have zero interest in educating you about anything. I hope you live your entire life believing the trails in the sky are some plot and that your air should only contain oxygen and nitrogen. I want you to continue to be ignorant and paranoid about the world around you...always. You deserve it. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 71551107 Canada 04/27/2016 06:35 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I've been asking for ANY proof for a couple of decades now. So far NOTHING. None of them can even explain the concept of dew point at altitude. They say these trails were never seen before but there are photos of "chemtrails" all over the sky during the Battle of Britain. One dude had an air hose that sucked air in from outside and he bubbled it through a fish tank. After 6 MONTHS the water was all cloudy and gunky. THIS. he claimed, proved "chemtrails" and refused to acknowledge the possibility that city pollution (he lived just outside and downwind from a major city) was what discoloured the water and not proof of ANYTHING. They show pics of the NASA plane with the tanks that provide ICE for the commercial safety tests on ALL planes now for the effectiveness of their DE-ICING devices and procedures. The claims by the chemtrailer boys would require a fleet 3 times larger than all the 747's ever produced and flying 24/7. It makes for a GREAT excuse for stress headaches and bad breath but as the OP has pointed out a few times in here ... show me some REAL proof. Some FACTS. How hard would it be to get some disgruntled employee to spill the beans on all these commercial flights being pumped full of toxic shiite that means they will be spraying it all over themselves and their own families. It isn't even logical let alone based on any REAL facts. |
George B Extinct But Not Forgotten! User ID: 70154998 United States 04/27/2016 06:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The point is they have no real proof. So it infuriates them when people point out their proof is inadequate. This is true of all conspiracies theories or they wouldn't be a conspiracy theory. Simple! Speculation, yes, circumstantial evidence of things they don't understand or misidentifying, yes. That is it, nothing else. Martin Luther King . . . Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter! "Email: [email protected]" All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them. Galileo Galilei, Italian astronomer & physicist (1564 - 1642) The only thing guaranteed in life is deception. . . everything else is optional . . . George B |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 70627520 United States 04/28/2016 05:45 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The point is they have no real proof. So it infuriates them when people point out their proof is inadequate. This is true of all conspiracies theories or they wouldn't be a conspiracy theory. Simple! Speculation, yes, circumstantial evidence of things they don't understand or misidentifying, yes. That is it, nothing else. Quoting: George B :jackfingers: As it should! |
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George B Extinct But Not Forgotten! User ID: 70154998 United States 04/28/2016 08:59 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If everything is chemicals, does this not mean that contrails are chemicals? It means any visible vapor, fog, steam, exhaust, smoke, dust cloud, breath is a Chemtrail by that definition. If everything is a Chemtrail there is no debate. Obviously that is a ridiculous argument. Last Edited by George B on 04/28/2016 09:00 AM Martin Luther King . . . Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter! "Email: [email protected]" All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them. Galileo Galilei, Italian astronomer & physicist (1564 - 1642) The only thing guaranteed in life is deception. . . everything else is optional . . . George B |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 5960694 United States 04/28/2016 09:02 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Well now we have 100% undeniable evidence that chemtrails exist. The video below is of Rosalind Peterson, the president of Agriculture Defence Coalition. In it she address the United Nations on chemtrails, geoengineering, and weather modification (HAARP). If you were a skeptic before, I can assure you, that you will not be after hearing what she has to say to the people in power. Worldtruth. Cant post link |
George B Extinct But Not Forgotten! User ID: 70154998 United States 04/28/2016 09:07 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Well now we have 100% undeniable evidence that chemtrails exist. The video below is of Rosalind Peterson, the president of Agriculture Defence Coalition. In it she address the United Nations on chemtrails, geoengineering, and weather modification (HAARP). Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5960694 If you were a skeptic before, I can assure you, that you will not be after hearing what she has to say to the people in power. Worldtruth. Cant post link She denies commercial aircraft are used for such a task. So if she is your champion about Chemtrails you have a problem. [link to m.youtube.com (secure)] Please listen at 1:57 on this YouTube. Last Edited by George B on 04/28/2016 09:13 AM Martin Luther King . . . Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter! "Email: [email protected]" All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them. Galileo Galilei, Italian astronomer & physicist (1564 - 1642) The only thing guaranteed in life is deception. . . everything else is optional . . . George B |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 17558558 United States 04/28/2016 09:11 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If everything is chemicals, does this not mean that contrails are chemicals? That's just stupid. Just because everything contains chemicals we have to rename everything and use the prefix "chem"?! Chem-TV, Chem-carpet, Chem-computer, Chem-cleaner.Chem-soda...where does it end?! STUPID! No, it doesn't mean contrails are "chemtrails". Contrails are contrails! the name was given to them when it was known almost 100 years ago that contrails were full of condensation nuclei, which contains chemicals! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 17558558 United States 04/28/2016 09:12 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Well now we have 100% undeniable evidence that chemtrails exist. The video below is of Rosalind Peterson, the president of Agriculture Defence Coalition. In it she address the United Nations on chemtrails, geoengineering, and weather modification (HAARP). Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5960694 If you were a skeptic before, I can assure you, that you will not be after hearing what she has to say to the people in power. Worldtruth. Cant post link Rosalind Peterson is a chemtard. That's all that means. The woman has been well known in the chemtard community for many years and she certainly knows NOTHING about contrails or clouds. |
George B Extinct But Not Forgotten! User ID: 70154998 United States 04/28/2016 09:16 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Well now we have 100% undeniable evidence that chemtrails exist. The video below is of Rosalind Peterson, the president of Agriculture Defence Coalition. In it she address the United Nations on chemtrails, geoengineering, and weather modification (HAARP). Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5960694 If you were a skeptic before, I can assure you, that you will not be after hearing what she has to say to the people in power. Worldtruth. Cant post link She denies commercial aircraft are used for such a task. So if she is your champion about Chemtrails you have a problem. [link to m.youtube.com (secure)] Please listen at 1:57 on this YouTube. Martin Luther King . . . Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter! "Email: [email protected]" All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them. Galileo Galilei, Italian astronomer & physicist (1564 - 1642) The only thing guaranteed in life is deception. . . everything else is optional . . . George B |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 17558558 United States 04/28/2016 10:13 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Engineer Clifford E. Carnicom, US, New Mexico. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71064561 Meteorologist Scott Stevens, US. Atmospheric scientist Neil Finley Canada. Doctor Michael Castle US. Toxicologist Dr. Hildegarde Staninger US, Los Angeles. Indipendent jornalist William Thomas Canada. Research and activist Jerry E. Smith US, California. Research Tom Montalk USA. Biologist Dr. Michael Castle USA. Biologist Dr. Giorgio Pattera Italy. Director of Nexus Magazin Tom Bosco Australia. Look up all of these qualified individuals and their opinions on the matter, they seem to be experts LOL! You also got this list from the same thread on contrailscience.com None of the people on that list are qualified atmospheric scientists. They are just chmetards who make assumptions. |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 70627520 United States 04/30/2016 11:46 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Which bothers chemtards more... 1) The trails forming behind jet engines 2) that cloud seeding occurs and that means chemicals are being put into the air? Because one of these things happens because exhaust gasses act as condensation nuclei and combustion creates water vapor so they combine to make man made clouds and the other thing is a relatively rare occurrence that happens over very limited geographical areas which also leaves an undetectable amount of the substance they use as a nuclei for rain droplets to adhere to, in our air. What is the complaint? Who is being harmed and how?! |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 70627520 United States 04/30/2016 04:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'm having trouble understanding the chemtards vague complaint. Quoting: Educated skeptic Which bothers chemtards more... 1) The trails forming behind jet engines 2) that cloud seeding occurs and that means chemicals are being put into the air? Because one of these things happens because exhaust gasses act as condensation nuclei and combustion creates water vapor so they combine to make man made clouds and the other thing is a relatively rare occurrence that happens over very limited geographical areas which also leaves an undetectable amount of the substance they use as a nuclei for rain droplets to adhere to, in our air. What is the complaint? Who is being harmed and how?! Anyone? |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 70627520 United States 05/01/2016 10:19 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Apparently chemtards aren't able to understand a few things. 1) no one denies that from time to time scientists (AKA, the government) will "spray chemicals" into the atmosphere as part of whatever experiments they are working on. Fine. No one denies that. Of course, how much we are exposed to whatever they are "spraying" is up for debate. 2) I am here to debate the claim that the trails behind jet engines are anything but contrails. That's what people post pictures of and call "Chemtrails". I'm much more interested in discussing the second option. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 72069981 United States 05/01/2016 10:26 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Look up in the sky. See those streaks behind the Jets? Those are actually there it's not people making it up. This ain't a ghost that you can't see. These streaks everyone can see. That's physical evidence. Hell if you can't see those you must be blind. And you call your self educated. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 72069981 United States 05/01/2016 10:32 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Look up in the sky. See those streaks behind the Jets? Those are actually there it's not people making it up. This ain't a ghost that you can't see. These streaks everyone can see. That's physical evidence. Hell if you can't see those you must be blind. And you call your self educated. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72069981 Also the Chem trails have been tested multiple times. It's not the chemtrails themselves that are harmful it's the particles they contain. Research some of the studies then look up what each particle does. Then come to your own conclusion not what the TV feeds you. The truth is right there on our face but it's scary and people don't want to know. |