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Anyone on city sewer, I have a problem and need you help!

 
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Anyone on city sewer, I have a problem and need you help!
I am connected to city water and sewer. I have two drains in my basement, one the dehumidifier drains into, the other the furnace.

A month or so ago my wife told me one of the drains in the basement started stinking. (I was out of town on business) The drain in question was the one the furnace drains into. She poured a bucket of water down it thinking maybe the trap dried up, it stopped stinking.

Yesterday, I walked into the house and the smell was back, same drain, tried buckets of water no help. This morning I called DPW, they were very helpful, they opened the manholes covers, flushed them out, poured dye into my toilet, confirmed my house is draining into the system etc... During all of that I checked the stink pipe and confirmed it is not plugged.

I ended up rerouting the furnace drain and capped the drain. The house smells much better but I'm afraid I have a much bigger problem. Any Advice out there?
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04/12/2016 08:45 PM
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Bad news if the odor returned after adding water. The trap is probably leaking.

Most likely going to require digging it out to repair it.
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Bad news if the odor returned after adding water. The trap is probably leaking.

Most likely going to require digging it out to repair it.
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It's not too far from the wall hopefully it's in the yard and not under the concrete!
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Bad news if the odor returned after adding water. The trap is probably leaking.

Most likely going to require digging it out to repair it.
 Quoting: Zetetic


It's not too far from the wall hopefully it's in the yard and not under the concrete!
 Quoting: Pow Right In The Kisser


Neither job is appealing.

In the interim you can continue to add water to keep the trap filled.
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Re: Anyone on city sewer, I have a problem and need you help!
I am connected to city water and sewer. I have two drains in my basement, one the dehumidifier drains into, the other the furnace.

A month or so ago my wife told me one of the drains in the basement started stinking. (I was out of town on business) The drain in question was the one the furnace drains into. She poured a bucket of water down it thinking maybe the trap dried up, it stopped stinking.

Yesterday, I walked into the house and the smell was back, same drain, tried buckets of water no help. This morning I called DPW, they were very helpful, they opened the manholes covers, flushed them out, poured dye into my toilet, confirmed my house is draining into the system etc... During all of that I checked the stink pipe and confirmed it is not plugged.

I ended up rerouting the furnace drain and capped the drain. The house smells much better but I'm afraid I have a much bigger problem. Any Advice out there?
 Quoting: Pow Right In The Kisser


I just mixed a Moscow Mule after this day..
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Re: Anyone on city sewer, I have a problem and need you help!
Bad news if the odor returned after adding water. The trap is probably leaking.

Most likely going to require digging it out to repair it.
 Quoting: Zetetic


It's not too far from the wall hopefully it's in the yard and not under the concrete!
 Quoting: Pow Right In The Kisser


Neither job is appealing.

In the interim you can continue to add water to keep the trap filled.
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I capped it off, plumber is coming to scope it Thurs morn.
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You did what I would have done, no worries.
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I can't tell if it's swamp gas or sewer gas!! Should I bring the tomato plants in or leave them out!!!
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I can't tell if it's swamp gas or sewer gas!! Should I bring the tomato plants in or leave them out!!!
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go ahead and keep them out. This is a simple (yet not enjoyable) fix.
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I can't tell if it's swamp gas or sewer gas!! Should I bring the tomato plants in or leave them out!!!
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I wouldn't plant them around the drain.
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I can't tell if it's swamp gas or sewer gas!! Should I bring the tomato plants in or leave them out!!!
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I wouldn't plant them around the drain.
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If I did and then sold them to my neighbors, that could start the Zombie Apocalypse..
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I can't tell if it's swamp gas or sewer gas!! Should I bring the tomato plants in or leave them out!!!
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I wouldn't plant them around the drain.
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If I did and then sold them to my neighbors, that could start the Zombie Apocalypse..
 Quoting: Pow Right In The Kisser


in that case, go ahead. I've been waiting for that to happen for years now.....
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I can't tell if it's swamp gas or sewer gas!! Should I bring the tomato plants in or leave them out!!!
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I wouldn't plant them around the drain.
 Quoting: Zetetic


If I did and then sold them to my neighbors, that could start the Zombie Apocalypse..
 Quoting: Pow Right In The Kisser


You have one day to kick it off. They better mutate quick.
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Re: Anyone on city sewer, I have a problem and need you help!
I am connected to city water and sewer. I have two drains in my basement, one the dehumidifier drains into, the other the furnace.

A month or so ago my wife told me one of the drains in the basement started stinking. (I was out of town on business) The drain in question was the one the furnace drains into. She poured a bucket of water down it thinking maybe the trap dried up, it stopped stinking.

Yesterday, I walked into the house and the smell was back, same drain, tried buckets of water no help. This morning I called DPW, they were very helpful, they opened the manholes covers, flushed them out, poured dye into my toilet, confirmed my house is draining into the system etc... During all of that I checked the stink pipe and confirmed it is not plugged.

I ended up rerouting the furnace drain and capped the drain. The house smells much better but I'm afraid I have a much bigger problem. Any Advice out there?
 Quoting: Pow Right In The Kisser


Next time just pour bleach down the drain.
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Re: Anyone on city sewer, I have a problem and need you help!
Ours does the same thing. The city says add bucket of water the trap is dried out. I think the whole sewer system is cracked up. We're lucky some of our neighbors get flooded out of their drains. I think this is just more crumbling infrastructure. Our neighborhood sewwer system is from the 60s.
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Ive done bleach mixes too. Sometimes it makes the smell go away for few weeks. Sometimes just a few days. Cant be good for us.
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Re: Anyone on city sewer, I have a problem and need you help!
I am connected to city water and sewer. I have two drains in my basement, one the dehumidifier drains into, the other the furnace.

A month or so ago my wife told me one of the drains in the basement started stinking. (I was out of town on business) The drain in question was the one the furnace drains into. She poured a bucket of water down it thinking maybe the trap dried up, it stopped stinking.

Yesterday, I walked into the house and the smell was back, same drain, tried buckets of water no help. This morning I called DPW, they were very helpful, they opened the manholes covers, flushed them out, poured dye into my toilet, confirmed my house is draining into the system etc... During all of that I checked the stink pipe and confirmed it is not plugged.

I ended up rerouting the furnace drain and capped the drain. The house smells much better but I'm afraid I have a much bigger problem. Any Advice out there?
 Quoting: Pow Right In The Kisser


Next time just pour bleach down the drain.
 Quoting: BRIEF


We did that too! Worked the first time not this time.
One Of These Days......
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Re: Anyone on city sewer, I have a problem and need you help!
Ours does the same thing. The city says add bucket of water the trap is dried out. I think the whole sewer system is cracked up. We're lucky some of our neighbors get flooded out of their drains. I think this is just more crumbling infrastructure. Our neighborhood sewwer system is from the 60s.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70851836


Apparently our system is from the 1800's
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Re: Anyone on city sewer, I have a problem and need you help!
vents.
All plumbing is vented, or should be.
If your vent(s) clog, the smelly gas finds its way into your house. Squirrel on roof, climbs down vent, dies and clogs the vent. Or ice.

Vent should be at least above the commode. It is there so you can snake the toilet and because that is your biggest gush of fluid at one time.
They make things that vent inside too. I don't know how they work, but I would hope they have a charcoal filter
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what are the pipes made of?
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vents.
All plumbing is vented, or should be.
If your vent(s) clog, the smelly gas finds its way into your house. Squirrel on roof, climbs down vent, dies and clogs the vent. Or ice.

Vent should be at least above the commode. It is there so you can snake the toilet and because that is your biggest gush of fluid at one time.
They make things that vent inside too. I don't know how they work, but I would hope they have a charcoal filter
 Quoting: swamprat 29667439

Snake your vents.
I have a cheap (thin) 50 ft snake that I use with a drill.
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If your trap is leaking like one guy said, it will cost a fortune to dig and concrete saw the floor to get at it.
Just seal the fucker up. They make rubber plugs you insert into the hole and then twist a bolt to expand the rubber and make the seal.

Option A of ripping up floor - $5000

Option B of sealing hole with rubber plug - $10

Option C of saying fuck it the shtf soon anyways so who cares
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Re: Anyone on city sewer, I have a problem and need you help!
vents.
All plumbing is vented, or should be.
If your vent(s) clog, the smelly gas finds its way into your house. Squirrel on roof, climbs down vent, dies and clogs the vent. Or ice.

Vent should be at least above the commode. It is there so you can snake the toilet and because that is your biggest gush of fluid at one time.
They make things that vent inside too. I don't know how they work, but I would hope they have a charcoal filter
 Quoting: swamprat 29667439


Checked that, it's clear.
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keep it capped and get a little pump/reservoir to take the drain off elsewhere
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Smoke test is the best way to locate odors if the scope doesn't show an obvious issue
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Smoke test is the best way to locate odors if the scope doesn't show an obvious issue
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Good to know.
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WELL Several obvious things were covered. If those didn't work before you spend a lot of money. The Washing Machine my have a dry trap, but I would guess it is the vent stack in the house. A bird or animal may have plugged it. The snakes suggestion from the roof is good and after that run plenty of hose water down it.
It was not clear from the posts how closely related the appliances were. It might be a dead bird in the HotWater heater vent.
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Re: Anyone on city sewer, I have a problem and need you help!
Ours does the same thing. The city says add bucket of water the trap is dried out. I think the whole sewer system is cracked up. We're lucky some of our neighbors get flooded out of their drains. I think this is just more crumbling infrastructure. Our neighborhood sewwer system is from the 60s.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70851836


They used orangeburg pipe for some sewers back then, outside the house. When that goes, it collapses and needs to be replaced. If it's something else, you might be able to put another trap between the leaking one and the house where there's no concrete. Either way, it's a dirty job, but you should be able to DIY in a weekend.
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keep it capped and get a little pump/reservoir to take the drain off elsewhere
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This is one option. Capping one drain and running a pipe and trap above the other one is a second option. Multiple traps are generally not a problem for clear water such as this condensate.
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Re: Anyone on city sewer, I have a problem and need you help!
Ours does the same thing. The city says add bucket of water the trap is dried out. I think the whole sewer system is cracked up. We're lucky some of our neighbors get flooded out of their drains. I think this is just more crumbling infrastructure. Our neighborhood sewwer system is from the 60s.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70851836


They used orangeburg pipe for some sewers back then, outside the house. When that goes, it collapses and needs to be replaced. If it's something else, you might be able to put another trap between the leaking one and the house where there's no concrete. Either way, it's a dirty job, but you should be able to DIY in a weekend.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71684389


Two drains in basement, #1 is old school cast iron that is full of water, the other #2 is 3.5 inch ID, female PVC, no water & stinks. Now upon further inspection right outside the wall from #2 is a red clay (orangeburg) pipe uncovered at ground level.
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Re: Anyone on city sewer, I have a problem and need you help!
Ours does the same thing. The city says add bucket of water the trap is dried out. I think the whole sewer system is cracked up. We're lucky some of our neighbors get flooded out of their drains. I think this is just more crumbling infrastructure. Our neighborhood sewwer system is from the 60s.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70851836


They used orangeburg pipe for some sewers back then, outside the house. When that goes, it collapses and needs to be replaced. If it's something else, you might be able to put another trap between the leaking one and the house where there's no concrete. Either way, it's a dirty job, but you should be able to DIY in a weekend.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71684389


Two drains in basement, #1 is old school cast iron that is full of water, the other #2 is 3.5 inch ID, female PVC, no water & stinks. Now upon further inspection right outside the wall from #2 is a red clay (orangeburg) pipe uncovered at ground level.
 Quoting: Pow Right In The Kisser


Red clay pipe is different from orangeburg(this one is black), but the red clay can break from soil disturbance. If it's working OK, a second house trap could be installed where you dug outside the house. That one should keep street odors out of your house(as long as it is the only pipe to the street).





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