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How can anyone believe in a book that starts out with a lie? The Bible. | |
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| jlazarus User ID: 160173 United States12/08/2006 09:12 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Adam and Eve were not the very first people on this planet. The Bible relates to you how God created Adam and Eve and how they had two sons. It goes on about the history of that family in small detail and how Cain killed his brother Abel. After a while, Cain decides he desires a wife and what does he do about it? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 166983The Bible explains that Cain went north to the Land of Nod to obtain a wife. Apparently those people in the Land of Nod, had existed at the same time as the Adam and Eve family, unless of course God just made them "appear," which the great books does not say. All it says is that Cain went AND GOT A WIFE! So actually there are two lies present in the very first part of the Bible and in Genesis; that the Garden of Eden was the first place of man and that Adam was the first man. Read Genesis, as it will not take long to get to the part of the "story" about the Land of Nod! This section is skimmed over very lightly when attending church and you will get vague answers when you ask the preacher, priest, or pastor about it. I was told once that these people “just were,” in answer to my question. How can you believe in a book that starts out with a lie? Please do not quote more lying scriptures, state logically why you believe that this is not a lie. I think many parts of the bible are written in parable form. I think the Adam and Eve Story is an example of this, exactly for the reasons you cited. I think the story was written to convey a meaning, and not meant to be taken literally. The bible is FULL of things like this. Even little things, like...in the creation story where it is revealed that God created two lights, one to rule the day and one to rule the night. As a kid, that bugged me. The moon is not a light! And God, being the omniscient being that he is, would know that the moon is not a light, especially if he created it! But the stories were written for a different audience, in a way to convey meaning. I will accept any rules that you feel necessary to your freedom. I am free, no matter what rules surround me. If I find them tolerable, I tolerate them; if I find them too obnoxious, I break them. I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do. ~ Robert Heinlein |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 92701 United States12/08/2006 09:14 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | state logically why you believe that this is not a lie. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 147480 I can't. I can say 'the flock' is not supposed to catch on to those discrepancies.Your Fruits are exposed. Uhmmm... I mean there are none. Tend to yourself. |
| 19.47™ User ID: 6933  United Kingdom12/08/2006 09:17 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 146968 United States12/08/2006 09:23 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If I held to your level of strictness in classifying something as a lie because it contains omissions then pretty much everything would be a lie. If the Bible told you everything you needed to know about life then there wouldn't be anything to learn or things to discover for yourself. If life didn't contain mysteries then it would be pretty boring or at least less exciting an mysterious. The Bible isn't the be all end all source of knowledge. |
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| Person1 User ID: 119873 United States12/08/2006 09:27 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Adam and Eve were not the very first people on this planet. The Bible relates to you how God created Adam and Eve and how they had two sons. It goes on about the history of that family in small detail and how Cain killed his brother Abel. After a while, Cain decides he desires a wife and what does he do about it? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 166983The Bible explains that Cain went north to the Land of Nod to obtain a wife. Apparently those people in the Land of Nod, had existed at the same time as the Adam and Eve family, unless of course God just made them "appear," which the great books does not say. All it says is that Cain went AND GOT A WIFE! So actually there are two lies present in the very first part of the Bible and in Genesis; that the Garden of Eden was the first place of man and that Adam was the first man. Read Genesis, as it will not take long to get to the part of the "story" about the Land of Nod! This section is skimmed over very lightly when attending church and you will get vague answers when you ask the preacher, priest, or pastor about it. I was told once that these people “just were,” in answer to my question. How can you believe in a book that starts out with a lie? Please do not quote more lying scriptures, state logically why you believe that this is not a lie. It' seems apparent that though many details are left out about the creation of man, what was important to convey was the fall of man and later our need of a Savior, which was the plan from the very beginning. The bible says that God created man in his image, gave them dominion over the whole, and commanded them to be fruitful and multiply. Your assumption that God made Adam and Eve and stopped creating others is unfounded. Yes, Adam was the first man, but it doesn't say that he was the only man. |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 160685 United States12/08/2006 09:34 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Q-1: Ahh, I thought you were talking about the American history book at first, as it's lies to. Q-2: Sounds like your mind is made up, what was your question again? How can you believe in a book that starts out with a lie? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 166983Please do not quote more lying scriptures, state logically why you believe that this is not a lie. uhhh jinn daaah |
| Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 166983 United States12/08/2006 09:38 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Q-1: Statement not question. Q-2: Statement with attached question. A-2: Re-read the question. Q-1: Quoting: Anonymous Coward 160685Ahh, I thought you were talking about the American history book at first, as it's lies to. Q-2: Sounds like your mind is made up, what was your question again? |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 160685 United States12/08/2006 09:42 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 146968 United States12/08/2006 09:42 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | jlazarus, keuffer Rex, and two AC's gets one point so far... the rest, zero. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 166983I see the fanatics already, it is obvious that their brains get all cluster fucked when the obvious flaws of their great book are exposed. I'm more than willing to look at potential flaws because I believe discepancies in data or information can actually reveal something deeper. Like differences in eye witness testimonies can actually create a more complete picture rather than serve to discredit the witnesses. |
| 19.47™ User ID: 6933 United Kingdom12/08/2006 09:46 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 166983, "I see the fanatics already, it is obvious that their brains get all cluster fucked when the obvious flaws of their great book are exposed." No it's not that. To me at least it's sadness that you will be regreting your evil words for all ertinity if you die in your sins... [link to www.chick.com] |
| Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 166983 United States12/08/2006 09:51 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I am sorry but who is doing the assuming? Your assumption about God creating more people at the same time leaves wide many implications. One being that only Adam and Eve were the only humans that were engaged with sin? Another, if the plan was from the beginning, explain why people (Adam, et al.) who are totally aware and INTERACTING with God STILL denies his divine intervention, and how you continue to think that man is salvageable without that interaction and intervention? Still another; that I am to ASSUME what god has done through omissions in the Bible? It' seems apparent that though many details are left out about the creation of man, what was important to convey was the fall of man and later our need of a Savior, which was the plan from the very beginning. The bible says that God created man in his image, gave them dominion over the whole, and commanded them to be fruitful and multiply. Your assumption that God made Adam and Eve and stopped creating others is unfounded. Yes, Adam was the first man, but it doesn't say that he was the only man. Quoting: Person1 119873 |
| Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 166983 United States12/08/2006 09:53 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You mean the evil words that God created, do you not? 166983, Quoting: 19.47™"I see the fanatics already, it is obvious that their brains get all cluster fucked when the obvious flaws of their great book are exposed." No it's not that. To me at least it's sadness that you will be regreting your evil words for all ertinity if you die in your sins... [link to www.chick.com] |
| Person1 User ID: 119873 United States12/08/2006 09:53 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | jlazarus, keuffer Rex, and two AC's gets one point so far... the rest, zero. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 166983I see the fanatics already, it is obvious that their brains get all cluster fucked when the obvious flaws of their great book are exposed. What part of these verses do you not understand? Genesis 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. 1:28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 119602 United States12/08/2006 09:53 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Adam and Eve were not the very first people on this planet. The Bible relates to you how God created Adam and Eve and how they had two sons. It goes on about the history of that family in small detail and how Cain killed his brother Abel. After a while, Cain decides he desires a wife and what does he do about it? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 166983The Bible explains that Cain went north to the Land of Nod to obtain a wife. Apparently those people in the Land of Nod, had existed at the same time as the Adam and Eve family, unless of course God just made them "appear," which the great books does not say. All it says is that Cain went AND GOT A WIFE! So actually there are two lies present in the very first part of the Bible and in Genesis; that the Garden of Eden was the first place of man and that Adam was the first man. Read Genesis, as it will not take long to get to the part of the "story" about the Land of Nod! This section is skimmed over very lightly when attending church and you will get vague answers when you ask the preacher, priest, or pastor about it. I was told once that these people “just were,” in answer to my question. How can you believe in a book that starts out with a lie? Please do not quote more lying scriptures, state logically why you believe that this is not a lie. A long period of time passed before Cain took a wife. You have to understand that back then, men lived for 100's of years. Cain got married after wandering for a very long period of time and being punished for what he did to Able. I understand your concern and the responses that were given to you were incorrect. I would have felt the same way. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 167094  Australia12/08/2006 09:53 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Not just the start is a lie but the whole book itself. How can people set there morals to a book that hasnt yet been proven to be real. Its just been stories stolen from other cultures to awe/inspire people to follow and believe. Mods we need a zombie gif please........... |
| BTN User ID: 160322 Netherlands12/08/2006 09:57 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Quoting: 19.47™ Do you realy believe that? |
| Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 166983 United States12/08/2006 09:58 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I will ask you the same question: Am I to ASSUME what God has done through omissions in the Bible? I see man in the singular. I see male and female in the singular. What part of these verses do you not understand? Quoting: Person1 119873Genesis 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. 1:28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth. |
| Person1 User ID: 119873 United States12/08/2006 10:04 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I am sorry but who is doing the assuming? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 166983Your assumption about God creating more people at the same time leaves wide many implications. One being that only Adam and Eve were the only humans that were engaged with sin? Another, if the plan was from the beginning, explain why people (Adam, et al.) who are totally aware and INTERACTING with God STILL denies his divine intervention, and how you continue to think that man is salvageable without that interaction and intervention? Still another; that I am to ASSUME what god has done through omissions in the Bible? It' seems apparent that though many details are left out about the creation of man, what was important to convey was the fall of man and later our need of a Savior, which was the plan from the very beginning. The bible says that God created man in his image, gave them dominion over the whole, and commanded them to be fruitful and multiply. Your assumption that God made Adam and Eve and stopped creating others is unfounded. Yes, Adam was the first man, but it doesn't say that he was the only man. Yes, that can be an assumption, but not a logical one. I already posted the verses that show that God created man in his image and commanded them to be fruitful and multiply. What's more logical is believe that Cain went and found a wife from another part of the earth where God obviously created males and females in His image. People like you who deny God's divine intervention are not as freethinking as you might believe. The long and short of it is this: you were programmed by God to whatever it is on this earth He has you to do and that's it. There are two types of people on this earth; vessels of wrath and vessels of mercy: The question then is: Which are you? If you are a vessel of wrath fitted to destruction (Romans 9), then your purpose here is to act as a refining fire to God's people, live your life of sin, then be destroyed. If you are a vessel of mercy, God will crush your heart and turn you from your wicked ways and cause you to repent. Therefore, those who deny God's divine intervention are actually delusional. They are doing exactly as was planned from the foundation of the world. In other words, God doesn't want them to believe in Him because they do not belong to His flock. |
| Person1 User ID: 119873 United States12/08/2006 10:06 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I will ask you the same question: Quoting: Anonymous Coward 166983Am I to ASSUME what God has done through omissions in the Bible? I see man in the singular. I see male and female in the singular. What part of these verses do you not understand? Genesis 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. 1:28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth. Again, common sense would dictate that God created humans all over the earth if Cain went out and found a wife from another land. |
| Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 166983 United States12/08/2006 10:11 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You make alot of sense but I ask you; how can you believe in a God who loves only certain of his creations? My illogical assumption would be to believe that he loves them all equally. If we are all his children, then I would assume that he dislikes certain parts of himself, as well. He created it yet he does not like it? That is illogical. Yes, that can be an assumption, but not a logical one. I already posted the verses that show that God created man in his image and commanded them to be fruitful and multiply. What's more logical is believe that Cain went and found a wife from another part of the earth where God obviously created males and females in His image. Quoting: Person1 119873People like you who deny God's divine intervention are not as freethinking as you might believe. The long and short of it is this: you were programmed by God to whatever it is on this earth He has you to do and that's it. There are two types of people on this earth; vessels of wrath and vessels of mercy: The question then is: Which are you? If you are a vessel of wrath fitted to destruction (Romans 9), then your purpose here is to act as a refining fire to God's people, live your life of sin, then be destroyed. If you are a vessel of mercy, God will crush your heart and turn you from your wicked ways and cause you to repent. Therefore, those who deny God's divine intervention are actually delusional. They are doing exactly as was planned from the foundation of the world. In other words, God doesn't want them to believe in Him because they do not belong to His flock. |
| Stan P. User ID: 160192 United States12/08/2006 10:12 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I always believed Adam and Eve was a PARABLE. The moral to the story is: DON'T JUDGE But not many people realize that "the knowledge of good and evil is Judgement/Prejudice. The opposite of LOVE. But people "eat the fruit" continuously. No wonder we're screwed! STOP JUDGING and stop DYING. God warned you! Stan P. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 167094 Australia12/08/2006 10:13 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Im not sure but doesnt it say in the bible adam & evey was created like less then ten thousands years ago. I believe there are races alot older then that on this earth. Did god forget to tell about these people, did it slip his mind. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 146968 United States12/08/2006 10:22 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | In other words, God doesn't want them to believe in Him because they do not belong to His flock. Quoting: Person1 119873It seems that you do not accept that God sent Jesus to gather and return any of Gods prodigal sons. If people are predestined then why are you even here talking about God? If those that don't accept God are not meant to accept God then by your 'preaching' you are not even accepting your own beliefs about God. If it's not meant to be then no amount of 'preaching' will work and you are wasting your time on this thread. Sorry if I have misunderstood you somehow but the above is the impression you are leaving with me. |
| Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 166983 United States12/08/2006 10:25 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I have one more question for you. If I am fulfilling God's purpose, then who are you and all the others to intervene in his plan by calling me delusional? If that is his plan, than you are sinning by destroying that plan. I will assume through omission that all should leave well enough alone, and allow me to continue my "wicked ways" as you say. Also how can you assume all this about me and not believe that I may be calling upon you to save my soul, and here you call me these things? You have failed to save a soul, pity to you. People like you who deny God's divine intervention are not as freethinking as you might believe. The long and short of it is this: you were programmed by God to whatever it is on this earth He has you to do and that's it. There are two types of people on this earth; vessels of wrath and vessels of mercy: The question then is: Quoting: Person1 119873Which are you? If you are a vessel of wrath fitted to destruction (Romans 9), then your purpose here is to act as a refining fire to God's people, live your life of sin, then be destroyed. If you are a vessel of mercy, God will crush your heart and turn you from your wicked ways and cause you to repent. Therefore, those who deny God's divine intervention are actually delusional. They are doing exactly as was planned from the foundation of the world. In other words, God doesn't want them to believe in Him because they do not belong to His flock. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 162461 United States12/08/2006 10:25 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Anything becomes true in the eyes of the believer if enough people believe in it long enough and strongly enough. Religion is the only thing I can think of that people revel in being ignorant fools. Basically "I believe because I have faith". |
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