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The Gospel of Mark is mysteriously synchronized with the Book of Revelation

 
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... rest assured, there is both logic and evidence behind the ancient tradition, and record, of the Peshitta as the one Aramaic original…

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The real primacy is the language of the heart. ...
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So given that we agree on so much, what is the motivation for promoting Aramaic primacy? What pivotal and critical teachings are missing from the Greek text?
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The literal text is the anchor for sound doctrine. For example, I disagree with what you wrote on your website as you write from a non-literal interpretation, "So since everyone agrees that life is endless, then we have no choice but to say that punishment is also endless. And though it is indeed the fire that is so described, it is also the punishment."

In reality, the literal text (in both Aramaic and Greek), states that punishment is finite. So I disagree with your conclusions and your English translation. Here is my evidence in support: [link to www.logicalhierarchy.com]

Moreover, I think your "majority" doctrine of everlasting torment is evil.

Fortunately, the literal bible text is not evil. It says that we navigate from world/age to world/age. Mark 10:30 is the best evidence for scholars to prove this point (as we read the finite article in both Aramaic and Greek).

Indeed, all punishment is finite in the literal bible text. Moreover, it is often described as incredibly quick, like grass that burns up instantly in a flame. Again, see this link for scriptural citations [link to www.logicalhierarchy.com]

The bible makes clear that only the Father (and those who remain in Him) will live continually, from world/age to worlds/ages and beyond.

Psalm 102:25-27 – “You have laid the foundation of the earth of old. And the heavens are the work of Your hands. They shall perish but You shall endure. All of them shall become old like a garment. You shall change them like clothing, and they shall be changed. But You are He, and Your years shall not be ended.”

Malachi 4:1, “Behold, the day is coming, burning like a firepot; and all the proud, and every doer of wickedness shall be chaff. And the coming day will set them ablaze, says Yahweh of Hosts, which will not leave root or branches to them.”

It was the Pharisees and Greek mystics, and later the Latin speaking Church, that taught that EVERYTHING exists forever.

Fortunately, the literal text of the ancient bible makes it clear (Hebrew, Greek and Aramaic all agree) that the Father can and will destroy anything He desires, even a soul. Matthew 10:28.

Every promise of life in the literal text is very specific/literal:

John 10:28 -- “And I give, I am to them life that is to a world/age, and they will not perish to a world/age.” This language is a very specific promise about the world/age to come. If the Messiah was going to promise that someone will never perish ever, then the text should instead say (“they will not perish ever”).

John 11:25, “I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in me, even if he should die he will live. And whoever lives and believes in me to a world/age will not die.” Once again we see the promise of life is very specifically in reference to the world/age to come. The indefinite form of the word is used (“a world/age”) rather than the definite form (“this world/age”).

Isaiah 65:17-20, “For behold, I am creating new heavens, and a new earth, And the former things are not remembered, Nor do they ascend on the heart…. No longer will there be in it an infant who lives but a few days, Or an old man who does not live out his days; For the youth will die at the age of one hundred, And the one who does not reach the age of one hundred will be thought accursed.”

Ezekiel 18:20, “The soul who sins shall die.”

Matthew 10:28, “And awe not of them who slaughter the body and are not able to slaughter the soul: and awe of him who is able to destroy soul and body in Gehanna, the Valley of Burning.”

Matthew 13:42, “The Son of Man will send his angels and they will pick out from his kingdom all the stumbling blocks and all the servants of wickedness and they will throw them into the furnace of fire. In that place will be crying and gnashing of teeth.”

Notice the phrase “there” (or “in that place”). If the torment were everlasting in space and time, this would be have been an excellent opportunity to say that. Instead, the literal text refers to a specific place. Hell is limited in both space and time. Space and time are connected in Hebrew, Greek, Aramaic, and science. In the Latin languages they become divorced.

In Revelation, the longest punishment described is “a world of ages”. As the bible itself shows throughout its text, ages and worlds are by definition finite in space and time. The literal text of the bible could have easily said ‘tormented for time that does not end’ or ‘time that cannot end’, but it does not say that.

Moreover, Rev 14:11 even describes “a world of ages” in relation to days and nights. These are terms that require planetary bodies in motion, and definitely do not fit the meaning of “eternal” or everlasting.

Rev 14:11, “And the smoke of their torments rises to a world of ages, and they do not have a breath, daily or nightly, those who worshipped the beast and its image and took the mark of its name.”

Another precedent for finite immortality is Revelation 9:6 where people who took the mark of the beast are tormented for exactly five months. The verse is specifically qualified by days (“in those days”) . So here is another precedent where a creature cannot die but that immortality is limited to a certain number of “days”. After those days are over, so is that creature’s life.

Note also the similar language in Isaiah 34:9-10. In this passage Isaiah says the fire consuming Edom shall burn “night and day” and “shall not be quenched.” Most translations say the smoke “shall go up forever”. The common translations are erroneous. Rather, the literal text says that the smoke rises “from generation to generation”. And in any case, we can plainly observe that the fire and smoke of Edom’s judgment is not still rising today.
 Quoting: Greg 1229765


Interesting concept. I have always pondered on the idea of eternal punishment. It makes more sense for people to be punished based on their deeds and then cease to exist all together.

God is a just God, and it just makes sense logically speaking for certain people to just cease to exist. In soul and spirit. Rather then torture his creation for endless ages.

However, I believe those who do follow him will NOT perish at all. And will live in a place outside of time. But if you choose the Lake of Fire.. You shall perish and not have life all together.

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Why is it a mystery? The Romans took 300 years to write the Four Gospels in the Byzantine Library.

That is more than enough time to "synchronize: it with any other parchments they held such as the "Book" of Revelation.
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The literal text is the anchor for sound doctrine. For example, I disagree with what you wrote on your website as you write from a non-literal interpretation, "So since everyone agrees that life is endless, then we have no choice but to say that punishment is also endless. And though it is indeed the fire that is so described, it is also the punishment."

In reality, the literal text (in both Aramaic and Greek), states that punishment is finite. So I disagree with your conclusions and your English translation. Here is my evidence in support: [link to www.logicalhierarchy.com]
 Quoting: Greg 1229765

Ah, I see, this is to support Universalism/Annihilationism. But I find your logic here faulty:

"In reality, the literal Hebrew/Aramaic/Greek translation is that your life continues from a world/age to a world/age as long as you remain in the Father; if you ever depart from the Father’s protection you’re dead, even if that death occurs 7 worlds from this one. You may live from world to world for a while, but there is no explicit literal guarantee in the gospel that you will live for infinite time."

So you don't believe in eternal life, which resolves for you the dilemma Jesus posed when he equated the duration of both life and punishment. And you don't believe in security of salvation, meaning Jesus really didn't save anyone; we have to keep ourselves saved by our own power. Not only this, but God is the worst kind of fair-weather friend, who drops you if you rebel against him, ever in any age. He doesn't protect you at all; you have to live for ages in the fear of being annihilated. Those are the logical conclusions of your statement, whether you're aware of them or not. You think the "majority doctrine" is evil, but what about your doctrine? What kind of father adopts a child but says the child will be killed if it ever turns against him? What kind of relationship is that?
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Thank you. I actually discovered this myself earlier this year while reading the books at home. I do read the ancient script of Aramaic (the language of Jesus spoken in Israel circa 30AD), so that allows me to see connections that are simply lost to others in translation.
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There is ample evidence that the NT was written in Greek, even though Jesus spoke Aramaic. I haven't seen convincing evidence that the originals were in Aramaic. In fact, it's more probable that later Aramaic texts were translated from the Greek and made to "synchronize", rather than it being mysterious. Just my 2 cents.
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Jesus spent his early childhood in Egypt where the majority of Jews spoke Greek.
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But Jesus was never in Egypt after the age of about two. His parents fled there when warned by an angel that Herod was going to hunt him down to kill him, and they returned to Israel after he died. [link to www.biblesprout.com]
 Quoting: Darth Snarkiest


Take a look at this:

Like Rev. 12:1 "And a great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars. 2 She was pregnant and was crying out in birth pains and the agony of giving birth."

John is given this picturesque view of this great scene, in verses 1 and 2 where it talks about the woman, this is obviously speaking about Israel because of the symbolism which is around her. She is pregnant, which is speaking about the soon birth of the Messiah.


Revelation 12:3 "And another sign appeared in heaven: behold, a great red dragon, with seven heads and ten horns, and on his heads seven diadems. 4 His tail swept down a third of the stars of heaven and cast them to the earth. And the dragon stood before the woman who was about to give birth, so that when she bore her child he might devour it."

This is another obvious sign which represents Satan the adversary, who has been trying to stop the coming of the Messiah into the world. The symbols which describe the Dragon show he has power over the kingdoms of the world.

Here he is waiting for the man-child (Jesus) to be born so he can kill Him. This is the time when King Herod told his soldiers to kill all male children in Bethlehem who were two years and younger.


Revelation 12:5 "She gave birth to a male child, one who is to rule all the nations with a rod of iron, but her child was caught up to God and to his throne."

So, Jesus is born and was protected and eventually ascended into the heavens. This made the Devil mad.


Revelation 12:6 "...and the woman fled into the wilderness, where she has a place prepared by God, in which she is to be nourished for 1,260 days..."

Those in Israel who make it to the wilderness will be protected by God during the last 3 1/2 years prior to the coming of Jesus.

I have a theory about this:

I think Joseph, Mary and Jesus stayed in Egypt 3 1/2 years. God DOES use "symbolism." He has used the same time frames over and over again throughout the Bible to point to significant events. I believe they were in Egypt 3 1/2 years, the same time End Times Christians will suffer the Great Tribulation.
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The entire bible is synchronized.. The OT mirrors the NT. Prophecies are written in multiple books with different prospectives.

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Right on.

I can only imagine the synchronicities that will eventually be revealed in full measure in heaven.

I've noticed this world is full of secret societies that promise secret knowledge. But in reality, they don't know. The knowledge of past, present, and future that counts is the knowledge of the Messiah.

When we realize that the Messiah is the center of our destiny here and now, then it helps us focus on where we want to be in relation to His destiny.
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There is ample evidence that the NT was written in Greek, even though Jesus spoke Aramaic. I haven't seen convincing evidence that the originals were in Aramaic. In fact, it's more probable that later Aramaic texts were translated from the Greek and made to "synchronize", rather than it being mysterious. Just my 2 cents.
 Quoting: Darth Snarkiest


Jesus spent his early childhood in Egypt where the majority of Jews spoke Greek.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72062479

But Jesus was never in Egypt after the age of about two. His parents fled there when warned by an angel that Herod was going to hunt him down to kill him, and they returned to Israel after he died. [link to www.biblesprout.com]
 Quoting: Darth Snarkiest


Take a look at this:

Like Rev. 12:1 "And a great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars. 2 She was pregnant and was crying out in birth pains and the agony of giving birth."

John is given this picturesque view of this great scene, in verses 1 and 2 where it talks about the woman, this is obviously speaking about Israel because of the symbolism which is around her. She is pregnant, which is speaking about the soon birth of the Messiah.


Revelation 12:3 "And another sign appeared in heaven: behold, a great red dragon, with seven heads and ten horns, and on his heads seven diadems. 4 His tail swept down a third of the stars of heaven and cast them to the earth. And the dragon stood before the woman who was about to give birth, so that when she bore her child he might devour it."

This is another obvious sign which represents Satan the adversary, who has been trying to stop the coming of the Messiah into the world. The symbols which describe the Dragon show he has power over the kingdoms of the world.

Here he is waiting for the man-child (Jesus) to be born so he can kill Him. This is the time when King Herod told his soldiers to kill all male children in Bethlehem who were two years and younger.


Revelation 12:5 "She gave birth to a male child, one who is to rule all the nations with a rod of iron, but her child was caught up to God and to his throne."

So, Jesus is born and was protected and eventually ascended into the heavens. This made the Devil mad.


Revelation 12:6 "...and the woman fled into the wilderness, where she has a place prepared by God, in which she is to be nourished for 1,260 days..."

Those in Israel who make it to the wilderness will be protected by God during the last 3 1/2 years prior to the coming of Jesus.

I have a theory about this:

I think Joseph, Mary and Jesus stayed in Egypt 3 1/2 years. God DOES use "symbolism." He has used the same time frames over and over again throughout the Bible to point to significant events. I believe they were in Egypt 3 1/2 years, the same time End Times Christians will suffer the Great Tribulation.
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The "remnant" have the spirit of God in them, the woman was the vessel or container which brought that spirit to this planet. The dragon did not want us to have this spirit of God. Earth is the wilderness. It is in the arm of a spiral galaxy amongst billions of stars.....a needle in a haystack.
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The literal text is the anchor for sound doctrine. For example, I disagree with what you wrote on your website as you write from a non-literal interpretation, "So since everyone agrees that life is endless, then we have no choice but to say that punishment is also endless. And though it is indeed the fire that is so described, it is also the punishment."

In reality, the literal text (in both Aramaic and Greek), states that punishment is finite. So I disagree with your conclusions and your English translation. Here is my evidence in support: [link to www.logicalhierarchy.com]
 Quoting: Greg 1229765

Ah, I see, this is to support Universalism/Annihilationism. But I find your logic here faulty:

"In reality, the literal Hebrew/Aramaic/Greek translation is that your life continues from a world/age to a world/age as long as you remain in the Father; if you ever depart from the Father’s protection you’re dead, even if that death occurs 7 worlds from this one. You may live from world to world for a while, but there is no explicit literal guarantee in the gospel that you will live for infinite time."

So you don't believe in eternal life, which resolves for you the dilemma Jesus posed when he equated the duration of both life and punishment. And you don't believe in security of salvation, meaning Jesus really didn't save anyone; we have to keep ourselves saved by our own power. Not only this, but God is the worst kind of fair-weather friend, who drops you if you rebel against him, ever in any age. He doesn't protect you at all; you have to live for ages in the fear of being annihilated. Those are the logical conclusions of your statement, whether you're aware of them or not. You think the "majority doctrine" is evil, but what about your doctrine? What kind of father adopts a child but says the child will be killed if it ever turns against him? What kind of relationship is that?
 Quoting: Darth Snarkiest


I'm non-denominational actually. I just read the literal text in the ancient languages (Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek). It's really just that simple.

The literal text states that God is just. But the majority position (translation) makes your god an infinite torturer.

I know you want to label me, and I know you want to believe that if you pass your 70-year test on earth that you will receive an infinite reward. But you need to understand that the literal text does not promise you that. Rather, you learned that in church. The literal text emphasizes proportionality throughout the entire bible. Indeed, proportionality is a KEY character trait of the Messiah and the Father: Matthew 10:24 (proportional rewards for talents), Mark 10:30 (100x more, not infinitely more).

Jeremiah 17:10, “I give all people according to their ways, according to what their actions deserve."

The laws in the old testament were all based on some form of proportional and finite punishment (such as “an eye for an eye”, and a thief must pay back double what he stole).

The Creator desires fairness in all measurements.

Deuteronomy 25:15, “You must have accurate and honest weights and measures, so that you may live long in the land that Yahweh your God is giving you.”

Proverbs 11:1 “Yahweh detests dishonest scales, but accurate weights find favor with him.”

The Creator is merciful. Matthew 9:13, “Go learn from this, that I seek mercy and not sacrifice.” Matthew 12:7, “If only you would have known that I desire mercy and not sacrifice.”

The bible says that the Creator abhors human sacrifice (the burning of people at the stake). See examples in Deuteronomy 12:31; 2 Kings 16:3, 2 Kings 17:16, 2 Kings 21:6; 2 Chronicles 28:3; Psalm 106:34-39; Jeremiah 7:31, Jeremiah 19:5, Jeremiah 32:35.

Every single literal promise of life in the gospel is proportionate. And every promise of punishment is proportionate. "Whatever you measure will be measured back to you." Matthew 7:2. Has anyone ever measured out infinite torment on earth? No, so it shall not be measured back to them.

Leviticus 6:12, "The fire on the altar shall be kept burning on it. It shall not go out, but the priest shall burn wood on it every morning; and he shall lay out the burnt offering on it, and offer up in smoke the fat portions of the peace offerings on it."

Gehenna also burned continually and was not put out, until the time came for it to go out.

Psalm 7:11, literally, "God is a righteous judge, And He is not angry at all times."

The bible speaks of worlds and ages. In 1 Pet. 1:25, note that Peter uses the plural without the singular before it - this further emphasizes the word is translated ‘worlds/ages’, not forevers.

Even fallen angels -- they have, at most, tormented men for a handful of ages and therefore would receive proportional torment for some finite number of ages.

Where in the bible does it say that fallen angels are immortal and will never cease to experience torment in hell? Answer: it doesn't say that it in the literal text.

The Father is just, proportional. So you reap what you sow. No angel has ever sown infinite torment of souls. The Father would not let an angel have that kind of power.

Ezekiel 28:16-19, "In the abundance of your merchandise they filled the middle of you with violence and you have sinned. And I will cast you as profane from the mountain of Elohim, and destroy you, you covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire. Was lifted up your heart because of your beauty. You have corrupted your wisdom because of your brightness. Upon the ground I will cast you. Before kings I will lay you, that they may look in you. By the multitude of your iniquities, in the unrighteousness of your trade, you have defiled your sanctuaries. And I will bring forth a fire from the midst. It shall devour you. And I will bring you to ashes on the earth in the eyes of any who see. All who know you among the peoples shall be appalled at the terror you shall be. And you are not age-during."
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The literal text is the anchor for sound doctrine. For example, I disagree with what you wrote on your website as you write from a non-literal interpretation, "So since everyone agrees that life is endless, then we have no choice but to say that punishment is also endless. And though it is indeed the fire that is so described, it is also the punishment."

In reality, the literal text (in both Aramaic and Greek), states that punishment is finite. So I disagree with your conclusions and your English translation. Here is my evidence in support: [link to www.logicalhierarchy.com]
 Quoting: Greg 1229765

Ah, I see, this is to support Universalism/Annihilationism. But I find your logic here faulty:

"In reality, the literal Hebrew/Aramaic/Greek translation is that your life continues from a world/age to a world/age as long as you remain in the Father; if you ever depart from the Father’s protection you’re dead, even if that death occurs 7 worlds from this one. You may live from world to world for a while, but there is no explicit literal guarantee in the gospel that you will live for infinite time."

So you don't believe in eternal life, which resolves for you the dilemma Jesus posed when he equated the duration of both life and punishment. And you don't believe in security of salvation, meaning Jesus really didn't save anyone; we have to keep ourselves saved by our own power. Not only this, but God is the worst kind of fair-weather friend, who drops you if you rebel against him, ever in any age. He doesn't protect you at all; you have to live for ages in the fear of being annihilated. Those are the logical conclusions of your statement, whether you're aware of them or not. You think the "majority doctrine" is evil, but what about your doctrine? What kind of father adopts a child but says the child will be killed if it ever turns against him? What kind of relationship is that?
 Quoting: Darth Snarkiest


I'm non-denominational actually. I just read the literal text in the ancient languages (Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek). It's really just that simple.

The literal text states that God is just. But the majority position (translation) makes your god an infinite torturer.

I know you want to label me, and I know you want to believe that if you pass your 70-year test on earth that you will receive an infinite reward. But you need to understand that the literal text does not promise you that. Rather, you learned that in church. The literal text emphasizes proportionality throughout the entire bible. Indeed, proportionality is a KEY character trait of the Messiah and the Father: Matthew 10:24 (proportional rewards for talents), Mark 10:30 (100x more, not infinitely more).

Jeremiah 17:10, “I give all people according to their ways, according to what their actions deserve."

The laws in the old testament were all based on some form of proportional and finite punishment (such as “an eye for an eye”, and a thief must pay back double what he stole).

The Creator desires fairness in all measurements.

Deuteronomy 25:15, “You must have accurate and honest weights and measures, so that you may live long in the land that Yahweh your God is giving you.”

Proverbs 11:1 “Yahweh detests dishonest scales, but accurate weights find favor with him.”

The Creator is merciful. Matthew 9:13, “Go learn from this, that I seek mercy and not sacrifice.” Matthew 12:7, “If only you would have known that I desire mercy and not sacrifice.”

The bible says that the Creator abhors human sacrifice (the burning of people at the stake). See examples in Deuteronomy 12:31; 2 Kings 16:3, 2 Kings 17:16, 2 Kings 21:6; 2 Chronicles 28:3; Psalm 106:34-39; Jeremiah 7:31, Jeremiah 19:5, Jeremiah 32:35.

Every single literal promise of life in the gospel is proportionate. And every promise of punishment is proportionate. "Whatever you measure will be measured back to you." Matthew 7:2. Has anyone ever measured out infinite torment on earth? No, so it shall not be measured back to them.

Leviticus 6:12, "The fire on the altar shall be kept burning on it. It shall not go out, but the priest shall burn wood on it every morning; and he shall lay out the burnt offering on it, and offer up in smoke the fat portions of the peace offerings on it."

Gehenna also burned continually and was not put out, until the time came for it to go out.

Psalm 7:11, literally, "God is a righteous judge, And He is not angry at all times."

The bible speaks of worlds and ages. In 1 Pet. 1:25, note that Peter uses the plural without the singular before it - this further emphasizes the word is translated ‘worlds/ages’, not forevers.

Even fallen angels -- they have, at most, tormented men for a handful of ages and therefore would receive proportional torment for some finite number of ages.

Where in the bible does it say that fallen angels are immortal and will never cease to experience torment in hell? Answer: it doesn't say that it in the literal text.

The Father is just, proportional. So you reap what you sow. No angel has ever sown infinite torment of souls. The Father would not let an angel have that kind of power.

Ezekiel 28:16-19, "In the abundance of your merchandise they filled the middle of you with violence and you have sinned. And I will cast you as profane from the mountain of Elohim, and destroy you, you covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire. Was lifted up your heart because of your beauty. You have corrupted your wisdom because of your brightness. Upon the ground I will cast you. Before kings I will lay you, that they may look in you. By the multitude of your iniquities, in the unrighteousness of your trade, you have defiled your sanctuaries. And I will bring forth a fire from the midst. It shall devour you. And I will bring you to ashes on the earth in the eyes of any who see. All who know you among the peoples shall be appalled at the terror you shall be. And you are not age-during."
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How can we be given new bodies and life again, for a finite period? This all together defeats the purpose of suffering for Christ and not doing worldly things. What is salvation for if I will only live a limited time?

1 John 3:2 We shall be like him.. Meaning LIVING as long as he dwells.

The Lake of Fire is a state of total inactivity. Everything thrown into there ceases to exist in all forms of life. Isaiah 65:17, Revelation 21:4.. The former shall pass away. If you are thrown into the lake of fire, you will NOT be remembered. You will cease to exist. It will be as if you were never born or thought of.. Which is the ultimate punishment for humans. Everyone longs to be loved and remembered.

Choose Christ and live outside of time in a new world.. Or cease to exist and never be resurrected or spoken of again.
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I'm non-denominational actually. I just read the literal text in the ancient languages (Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek). It's really just that simple.

The literal text states that God is just. But the majority position (translation) makes your god an infinite torturer.

I know you want to label me, and I know you want to believe that if you pass your 70-year test on earth that you will receive an infinite reward. But you need to understand that the literal text does not promise you that. Rather, you learned that in church. The literal text emphasizes proportionality throughout the entire bible. Indeed, proportionality is a KEY character trait of the Messiah and the Father: Matthew 10:24 (proportional rewards for talents), Mark 10:30 (100x more, not infinitely more).
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I'm labeling your theological stance; it is indistinguishable from uni/anni. And it answers my question as to why you want so badly for the Aramaic text to be original. However, it still doesn't make your position any stronger. The issue is not with the text, it's with your interpretation. You don't think through to the logical conclusions of what you believe.

And you err in stating that I have to "pass your 70-year test". That's salvation by works, which you seem to believe. Rather, the NT states (in the ancient text of your preference) that salvation is by faith and is a gift; thus it cannot be by works. Salvation is by faith, not by passing a test. Works, on the other hand, determine rewards, which are wages earned and not part of the gift of salvation. Works are what we do because/after we accept the gift of salvation by faith. Paul told the Corinthians that there will be people who get no rewards at all but will look as though they escaped through the flames.

YOUR god is a poor father, a fair-weather friend, who never gives you any security at all. He keeps you afraid for "ages and ages". Who would want that? People would be better off annihilated than to exist in that state. So to bring your beliefs to their logical conclusion, it would be better to do as Job's wife said: "Curse God and die".

Again I ask you: Whose God is really more evil? At least mine offers secure eternal life.
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Re: The Gospel of Mark is mysteriously synchronized with the Book of Revelation
In particular, Mark 9 is very insightful (and surprising) about the role of scribes and the relative peace during the millennial reign (Rev 20).
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There will be peace during the millennial reign because the earth will be empty except the devil and his angels. The righteous are in heaven with Christ.

Many wolves have taught their flock of some unbiblical 1000 year reign on earth with Christ. This is simply not correct.

[link to www.remnantofgod.org]

A brief study on the matter.
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Reread Revelations, because nothing of what you describe, is found in it. During the 1,000 year reign, the Earth will be populated, because after the 1,000 year reign, Satan will be let loose, and lead the nations against the Messiah, and the Holy City.

Even during the reign of the Antichrist, that is something Satan is unable to do, as he has to "war with the Saints". The only way, I can see that as being possible, is if the world is largely devoid of Caucasian's. As Caucasian's, are the only ones, fighting tooth and nail, against the AntiChrist, as we are dragged, kicking and screaming, into his short lived kingdom.

I cannot imagine, after 1,000 year reign of Christ, Caucasian's revolting. I can readily imagine, and even modern history can readily show, blacks, hispanics, arab's, desi and far Eastern oriental's, can readily be led into anything, as long as they perceive(no matter how slim the hope of booty is), in some way they would benefit.

Look at what blacks did to Baltimore, just for a few looted goods. That is the "bitter truth", about Revelations. It is bitter no matter how you look at it. Either Caucasian's prosper in the millennial kingdom, then are turned to ash, or the non Adamite/Noah, races, prosper, then are turned to ash.

Given how demographics is going, the latter seems more likely. In many respects, I doubt many Caucasian's, will survive, the AntiChrist's kingdom/Satan's wrath.
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Re: The Gospel of Mark is mysteriously synchronized with the Book of Revelation
How can we be given new bodies and life again, for a finite period? This all together defeats the purpose of suffering for Christ and not doing worldly things. What is salvation for if I will only live a limited time?

1 John 3:2 We shall be like him.. Meaning LIVING as long as he dwells.

The Lake of Fire is a state of total inactivity. Everything thrown into there ceases to exist in all forms of life. Isaiah 65:17, Revelation 21:4.. The former shall pass away. If you are thrown into the lake of fire, you will NOT be remembered. You will cease to exist. It will be as if you were never born or thought of.. Which is the ultimate punishment for humans. Everyone longs to be loved and remembered.

Choose Christ and live outside of time in a new world.. Or cease to exist and never be resurrected or spoken of again.
 Quoting: Asher


You are correct that the lake of fire accomplishes utter annihilation.

But with regard to life in the worlds/ages to come... be careful not to mischaracterize the Spirit. It is no small thing that the Father sends Spirit into and across worlds and ages and the Spirit returns to the Father in life, and continues in life. Are all these ages and worlds filled with the Father's energy just some trivial things that we overlook on the way toward our self-elevating conjectures of infinity? Crossing ages is amazing! The only way man has ever been able to transcend ages is through the gift of reproduction, and even then our gift never brought us salvation. It was only the Holy Spirit that perfected the act in the virgin Mary, crossing the ages AND delivering the Father's salvation through Yahshua who transcends the ages in the Father.

I hope that answers your question Asher.

There are lesser spirits that die in the ages and sink in the worlds. But the Father's Spirit goes forth in the ages and returns to the Father who transcends the ages. Again, we should not dismiss 'ages' as some small thing just so manmade religion can feel better elevating its mistranslation of a word to accomodate some people's desire for infinity. Rather, we should study first the literal text of the bible as our foundation.

People are free to build theories of infinite grandeur, but they should be explicit as they do so and let everyone know they're deviating from literal text. And when people do deviate and translate 'aionios' (Greek) or 'Ealma' (Aramaic) consistently as "forever" then we will all see something illogical in that translation. And being illogical actually does a disservice to Spirit. See for example Jude 1:7 (are Sodom and Gomorrah still burning?) You can also read other Greek texts and scholarship to confirm.

So, there is no need to mistranslate any word in order to elevate the Father's Spirit. In fact, the mistranslation "everlasting" mischaracterizes what the Spirit is specifically working in this world right now, and in the world to come.
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Re: The Gospel of Mark is mysteriously synchronized with the Book of Revelation
Why is it a mystery? The Romans took 300 years to write the Four Gospels in the Byzantine Library.

That is more than enough time to "synchronize: it with any other parchments they held such as the "Book" of Revelation.
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Did the Romans also pre-program the world to unfold prophetically?

My work is actually focused on providing evidence that the Father is above the powers and conspiracies of the Illuminati and secret societies, etc.

For example, in 300AD, man did not even have accurate enough maps to be able to encode parts of these mysteries (such as the sword and staff). Only when we get to the 12th century can we find a man-made map capable of possibly encoding a very rough an imprecise portion of the image.

So this finding is new evidence man, and when you add it with other evidence, it adds up.

I think bible mysteries go deeper than you might think, which is precisely the point. Synchronicities and spiritual mysteries in people's lives often go very deep. It is not sufficient to simply dismiss them or attribute everything to some Byzantine conspiracy from 300AD.

Feel free to make the argument, but it seems like you're fencing with a strawman in a dusty field behind what you think was an old annex to the Library of Alexandria.
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Re: The Gospel of Mark is mysteriously synchronized with the Book of Revelation
Why is it a mystery? The Romans took 300 years to write the Four Gospels in the Byzantine Library.

That is more than enough time to "synchronize: it with any other parchments they held such as the "Book" of Revelation.
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Did the Romans also pre-program the world to unfold prophetically?

My work is actually focused on providing evidence that the Father is above the powers and conspiracies of the Illuminati and secret societies, etc.

For example, in 300AD, man did not even have accurate enough maps to be able to encode parts of these mysteries (such as the sword and staff). Only when we get to the 12th century can we find a man-made map capable of possibly encoding a very rough an imprecise portion of the image.

So this finding is new evidence man, and when you add it with other evidence, it adds up.

I think bible mysteries go deeper than you might think, which is precisely the point. Synchronicities and spiritual mysteries in people's lives often go very deep. It is not sufficient to simply dismiss them or attribute everything to some Byzantine conspiracy from 300AD.

Feel free to make the argument, but it seems like you're fencing with a strawman in a dusty field behind what you think was an old annex to the Library of Alexandria.
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God is above them. They follow a master alchemist, who can only work with what he is allowed to. God created the energy in which they are allowed work.

But the bible is clear, all matter will be destroyed from one end of creation to the other. And alongside this material plane is satans seat, it will also be destroyed.
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Re: The Gospel of Mark is mysteriously synchronized with the Book of Revelation
The whole bible fits together. I will tell you or anyone else reading this one key piece of info that can unlock the entire biblical story.

Our entire physical reality that we currently exist in is described as the "sea of glass" , "firmament", "great crystal" or sometimes just "sea".

With just this knowledge, you can unlock many otherwise difficult meanings in the bible.

Carry on.
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Thank you for the comments today. Please feel free to share more...

I've perhaps had similar thoughts about the sea of glass. The melted sand (melted little rocks all blend together) of the earth are the masses of people, because the sea = peoples prophetically. To triumph over the sea of glass (Rev 15:2) requires being set apart through grace. Peter sank in the sea when his faith sank.

I never drew the connection though to the firmament (rqyEa)? Curious.
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Re: The Gospel of Mark is mysteriously synchronized with the Book of Revelation
When I originally posted I wrote, “I hope to reveal synchronizations for Mark chapters 10-16 once they are more fully known to me.”

Well, I’m pleased to report the work is now complete; here is my full paper [link to www.logicalhierarchy.com (secure)] and chart [link to www.logicalhierarchy.com (secure)] that tracks the complete 100% synchronicity of Mark and Revelation. As I write in the paper, "Please note: all of my findings in this paper (and I suppose in life) are a work in progress and it is unknown how many errors I’ve made or how incomplete my work is. My hope is that this study builds a structure that future bible students will repair and expand with their own insights and corrections."

Indeed, many of the connections are surprising and have changed the way I think of Revelation. Focusing on the literal gospel to interpret Revelation is an enlightening way to discover bible harmony.
Matthew 7:2 & 7:12 are a prophecy specific to you, "By the judgment that you judge, you will be judged. And by the measure that you measure, you will be measured.... Whatever you want a person to do to you, do also to them, for this is the law and the prophets."
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Re: The Gospel of Mark is mysteriously synchronized with the Book of Revelation
a lot of work i am sure, whew.
Thanks for sharing, God Bless
Silence in the face of evil is itself evil; God will not hold us guiltless. Not to speak is to speak. Not to act is to act.
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