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Dufontaine
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12/9/2006 5:06 PM
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[link to www.ucpress.edu] "Cooper was not the only figure in the UFO subculture who was elaborating politically charged conspiracy theories by the end of the 1980s. The year 1989 marked the beginning of the activities of John Grace, also known as Val Germann and Val (or Valdamar) Valerian. Grace was an air force enlisted man stationed at Nellis Air Force Base near Las Vegas, where he apparently came into contact with Lear. About 1988, Grace-Valerian founded the Nevada Aerial Research Group in Las Vegas, but soon relocated it to Yelm, Washington, under the name Leading Edge Research Group. He has been an extraordinarily prolific writer and publisher, claiming to have issued tens of thousands of pages. His central works are the massive, ongoing series of Matrix volumes, of which at least six have appeared, and the serial publication The Leading Edge.44

It is impossible to summarize Valerian's system. Indeed, it may well be one of the most complex superconspiracy theories ever constructed. Scarcely any major organization or institution escapes inclusion. One diagrammatic representation requires six pages to lay out the connections among elements of the plot, including the Gestapo, the Mafia, and the Wobblies (IWW). Valerian ranges not only across the usual UFO and conspiracist terrain but across politics, religion, science, and history. He clearly regards his system not merely as an explanation of flying saucers or contemporary politics but as a synoptic vision of all knowledge.45

Cooper edged gradually toward more ambitious conspiratorial schemes, but even at his most sweeping he never sought to cover areas such as the sciences (about which, in fact, he claimed ignorance). Valerian, by contrast, takes conspiracism to its logical conclusion by suggesting that all true knowledge has been deliberately hidden, and that attempts to reveal it in one area will inevitably reveal the entire structure, if only one digs widely and deeply enough. Anything that is available and obvious is false, while what is hidden has to be true; its hiddenness can have occurred only because those who truly know do not wish it to be revealed. As Valerian puts it, "As a result of the suppression and compartmentalization of information, cultures have been fragmented into several distinct groups and mind sets which both co-exist and oppose each other." He clearly believes that he has discovered the suppressed synthesis."

Any good info? What is his suppressed synthesis that has it's base in science and all knowledge?

Accept now that all you have seen from the day of your birth on the surface of the earth, to the present, and all that you will meet here are wonderful only because the finite mind of man is confused with fragments of evidence, that, from whatever direction we meet them, spring from an unreachable infinity.

Anonymous Coward
User ID: 133430

United States
12/9/2006 5:17 PM

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Well if you want to go for the fact that he believes we are all minion(demon) incarnations and women are evil than go for his work. Those are the two I have a problem with. Some of the alternative sites have a problem with him because he insists that they put links of only his Matrix work and delete their other stuff. Everyone has an agenda in this reality.

edgar celadus
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Mexico
12/9/2006 5:50 PM

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Some of the most interesting metaphysical conspiracies were assembled around those times in the 1980's.

Anonymous Coward
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6/21/2008 11:16 PM

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Well if you want to go for the fact that he believes we are all minion(demon) incarnations and women are evil than go for his work. Those are the two I have a problem with. Some of the alternative sites have a problem with him because he insists that they put links of only his Matrix work and delete their other stuff. Everyone has an agenda in this reality.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 133430

Yeah, some of what he says is such crap. He's been outed as disinfo for a number of years now. Like so many he provides a lot of good info mixed with bullshit. It's a nice little tactic called "mind control", something Valerian spends so much time talking about. But hey, that's what happens when you delve into these subjects. Just that those of us who have been around for a long time see though people like Val all too easily. Newbies...well, they need to do a search and find threads like this.

Anonymous Coward
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Bulgaria
1/25/2009 6:25 PM

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VAL VALERIAN is CIA disinformationist. Like all skillful disinfo, his material has some truth to get readers hooked (corrupt government, reincarnation, etc), carefully mixed with shit-load of lies.

Anonymous Coward
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Puerto Rico
1/25/2009 6:45 PM

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If he would of given his ratio of acid, thc, and mushrooms out then other people could of tried the mixture and see if they were enlightened similarly.

Anonymous Coward
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United States
1/25/2009 7:02 PM

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I have many of his publications (very expensive). It was easy to get hooked until I read his rants and raves about women. What c***ts they are. That's when the alarm bells went off. I was shocked and offended. I came to the conclusion Val might be gay but he's definitely a woman hater. Maybe it was a mother-thing. Whatthef**ckever.

Like any disinfo agent, Val uses some truth in his works - and that's what gets you interested. Like David dIcke, you can go down the rabbit holes of many theories and get easily lost. What to believe? What to think? What is truth?

Like any author or speaker, one must absorb the their information and THEN discriminate. No KNOWLEDGE on this planet is set in stone - it all depends on who is the storyteller.

Look at the Bible. OK, some truths - but written 200 years after 'Christ' died. Wow. I didn't know people had such fantastic memories.

End result? People believe this shit and die by the millions, if not billions by now, because of a STORY, possible a MYTH, that was written and handed down by people they don't ever know.

WOW. No ONE person is the messiah, god or savior. Trust your own instincts, follow your own path or else you are just another f**king idiot/zombie/robot on the planet and will be eliminated because you do not have the sense nor desire to think for yourself.

Thinking takes effort. Reading takes effort.

Good post OP.

Anonymous Coward
User ID: 599514

United States
1/25/2009 7:39 PM

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I have found Valerian's content pages fascinating. Yes the works are expensive, but then you get about 500 pages or so, I believe 8 1/2x11,' I have been tempted, but really would like to learn more from those who have read them. Woman hater huh?, That is a big minus on his score. Pretty stupid of him. He's likely lost a lot of sales. Including mine.

Anonymous Coward
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United States
1/26/2009 3:34 AM

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I used to spend a lot of time on the [link to www.trufax.org] site when it was first building before they took off all the alternative health information.
However I dont go there very often anymore. I believe I gained the impression that they were frozen in time and never updated anymore. When they still listed current news linked to whatever source I was there almost daily.

I might have missed the woman hater stuff or perhaps just dissmissed it. I know there was always something that I would see and decide that part wasnt for me.
But I think I started out with a bigger conspiracy suspicion mind than the website has. I still look at news, even what is on this site and wonder what is hiding under the iceberg.

anym
User ID: 401172

United States
2/10/2010 1:14 PM

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None of your believed Mr. Schneider obviously...Val Valerian is an Alien. So simple.

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