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Anonymous Coward User ID: 71560241 France 04/26/2016 03:20 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Linux Mint is extremely easy for people making the switch from Windows for the first time, but as other posters have suggested, almost all Linux distros will run from a Live CD/DVD or bootable USB drive so you can play around with them a little before actually installing them. It's all personal preference, just like Chevy versus Ford. Quoting: Riff-Raff You also need to know that possibly more important than your choice of distro is your choice of desktop environment. Gnome, KDE, Cinnamon, XFCE, and Mate are some of the most popular. Almost all of the major distros allow you to pick which desktop environment you want. You can even have multiple desktop environments installed and switch between them as you wish. Again, it's personal preference. Mint and Ubuntu (they are very closely related to each other) both have extensive user forums that can help with any questions or problems you have. If you're comfortable in DOS command line, you should be fine with Linux at the CLI level. You'll just have to relearn the commands. There are cheat sheets you can download that show DOS-Linux command line equivalents. Biggest piece of advice I can give you is that once you decide to make the switch, stick with it. You may get frustrated occasionally at first, but I guarantee you that you will end up wondering why you didn't switch sooner. Good luck and welcome to the Linux community! Using Linux Mint with Mate. Yeah I'm very comfortable with DOS before windows came along. I started on DOS and writing batch files was am every day thing.. Had a BBS running Telegard back in late 80s, early 90s. I can program in Pascal. I'm comfortable with command lines. scripts, ect. If you have any links to cheat sheets that would be awesome I just didn't want to have to learn a new system before I could run it efficiently. it seems like Mint is pretty much GUI unless you screw something up. It still seems like it's far too dependent on the community to be my trustworthy primary OS until I really learn the ins and out and can fix problems. I went with Cinnamon. I don't know what Mate is. I had the option of Cinn or KDE. I read Cinn was a better experience. Not even sure what the difference is. I had this as my desktop wallpaper for a few months and it came in handy while making the transition: [link to www.technocrazed.com] Cinnamon, KDE, Gnome, Mate, and XFCE are what's known as Desktop Managers. If you think back to Windows XP and how they gave you the choice between the newer, flashier appearance and the more classic Windows 98/2000 appearance, it's the same concept except you have a lot more options available to you. To use a car analogy, you chose Mint as your frame and powertrain. Your choice of desktop manager determines if it looks like a Chevy Equinox or a GMC Terrain. As for aptitude, synaptic, and the like, they all basically accomplish the same thing - installing and removing software packages. 9/10 you're going to be able to accomplish what you want with the built-in Software Manager, which is equivalent to an App Store. Synaptic and Apt give you some additional advanced options when installing that you probably won't need at first. Also, if you want to install a package that you find on the web, .DEB files are the Linux equivalent of .MSI files in Microsoft. Just download, double-click, and it activates the installer. I firmly believe Linux is the best operating system available to users. Microsoft is giving users less and less control over their machines while becoming more and more intrusive. Mac OS is a viable alternative (for all intents and purposes, it is Linux under the hood), but the hardware is pretty expensive. With Linux I can take just about any old Celeron/P4 system or higher and turn it into a functional computer. As for "being too reliant on the community for support," you ever tried calling Microsoft Technical Support? It is, admittedly, a double-edged sword. If you want people who know the subject matter inside and out and don't mind helping others with their knowledge, the Linux community has some of the best people out there. But the nature of Linux prevents a centralized technical support call center. Linux has its pros and cons. I can run the laptop I'm posting this from practically indefinitely without a reboot, including multiple suspends/resumes. I don't have to worry about malware or viruses. I don't have to worry about my data being mined and sold to the highest corporate bidder or government agency. I can pull the hard drive out of this Toshiba laptop, pop it into a Dell laptop, and boot right up with no accusations of being a software pirate and having to jump through re-registration hoops. And I fully support the philosophy of Free Open Source Software (FOSS). But I have to accept that in a Microsoft-oriented world, there are just some things I cannot do, and for those I maintain a Windows 7 Pro installation on a virtual machine. I also have to accept that hard-core gaming is out of the question (not that I care), and that I will occasionally run into a printer or other peripheral where device drivers are problematic. When I encounter such problems, Google is my best friend and rare is the occasion that I can't find a solution. Thanks. I'll assume from your post i don't need a software firewall or any kind of anti-phishing\malware software. I looked and saw bit defender and clam I was hoping for mainly we based protection |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 45468346 United States 04/26/2016 03:21 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I went with Linux Mint Cinnamon. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71560241 I only have it in a virtual box but it's pretty user friendly. The GUI seems nice. I'm running in to problems with what method to use to update and install\uninstal programs. I guess Mint doesn't recommend the normal update method which I assume is Synaptic I just want something similar to windows add\remove or win 7 programs and features. A place where all my installed programs will be. If I use synaptic will they show up in the Mint programs or updater? If I use apt get will they be listed ? It seems way more confusing than it needs to be The canonical way to install and uninstall packages is to use Software Manager. It's in Menu->Administration->Software Manager . Note also once you hit menu (windows key), you can just start typing in the search text dialog box (already selected) and it will find your program for you. Programs installed by Synaptic will show up in the updater list. It works the other way as well. Programs you installed from Software Manager or the apt-get command line interface will show up in Synaptic. You can browse the programs by category, read about them and then install (uninstall) a selected program. Synaptic is a bit more sophisticated and gives you more low level details and search options. Also that little shield in the lower right hand corner is your friend. If it has a green check mark on it, all your software is up to date. If not click on it and it will show what software needs updating. Tends to update a lot faster and more reliably than MS. To me it's way less confusing than microsoft and a lot faster. My computer always slows to a crawl if I have to open the ctrl-alt-delete (program manager) interface in MS. FYI if you want to see running programs and how what your resource usage is, run System Monitor Ty. One last question. What do i use for a software firewall? Are there any virus scanners or anti-phishing programs for the web? Not necessary. I have a Linux version of AVG installed on my laptop, but I only use it for scanning infected Windows hard drives. one of the real advantages of Linux is that I can EASILY roll back my system to a Clonezilla backup in 3 to 4 minutes. And it's an image, an exact snapshot of my entire system. Windows backup is a file-by-file copy which works *most* of the time. I can full image my system in 3 or 4 minutes, and full restore it in 3 or 4 minutes. Once you control your entire system, all that stuff about viruses, and firewalls, etc, it's just not important. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 71560241 France 04/26/2016 03:21 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Linux Mint is extremely easy for people making the switch from Windows for the first time, but as other posters have suggested, almost all Linux distros will run from a Live CD/DVD or bootable USB drive so you can play around with them a little before actually installing them. It's all personal preference, just like Chevy versus Ford. Quoting: Riff-Raff You also need to know that possibly more important than your choice of distro is your choice of desktop environment. Gnome, KDE, Cinnamon, XFCE, and Mate are some of the most popular. Almost all of the major distros allow you to pick which desktop environment you want. You can even have multiple desktop environments installed and switch between them as you wish. Again, it's personal preference. Mint and Ubuntu (they are very closely related to each other) both have extensive user forums that can help with any questions or problems you have. If you're comfortable in DOS command line, you should be fine with Linux at the CLI level. You'll just have to relearn the commands. There are cheat sheets you can download that show DOS-Linux command line equivalents. Biggest piece of advice I can give you is that once you decide to make the switch, stick with it. You may get frustrated occasionally at first, but I guarantee you that you will end up wondering why you didn't switch sooner. Good luck and welcome to the Linux community! Using Linux Mint with Mate. Yeah I'm very comfortable with DOS before windows came along. I started on DOS and writing batch files was am every day thing.. Had a BBS running Telegard back in late 80s, early 90s. I can program in Pascal. I'm comfortable with command lines. scripts, ect. If you have any links to cheat sheets that would be awesome I just didn't want to have to learn a new system before I could run it efficiently. it seems like Mint is pretty much GUI unless you screw something up. It still seems like it's far too dependent on the community to be my trustworthy primary OS until I really learn the ins and out and can fix problems. I went with Cinnamon. I don't know what Mate is. I had the option of Cinn or KDE. I read Cinn was a better experience. Not even sure what the difference is. I had this as my desktop wallpaper for a few months and it came in handy while making the transition: [link to www.technocrazed.com] Cinnamon, KDE, Gnome, Mate, and XFCE are what's known as Desktop Managers. If you think back to Windows XP and how they gave you the choice between the newer, flashier appearance and the more classic Windows 98/2000 appearance, it's the same concept except you have a lot more options available to you. To use a car analogy, you chose Mint as your frame and powertrain. Your choice of desktop manager determines if it looks like a Chevy Equinox or a GMC Terrain. As for aptitude, synaptic, and the like, they all basically accomplish the same thing - installing and removing software packages. 9/10 you're going to be able to accomplish what you want with the built-in Software Manager, which is equivalent to an App Store. Synaptic and Apt give you some additional advanced options when installing that you probably won't need at first. Also, if you want to install a package that you find on the web, .DEB files are the Linux equivalent of .MSI files in Microsoft. Just download, double-click, and it activates the installer. I firmly believe Linux is the best operating system available to users. Microsoft is giving users less and less control over their machines while becoming more and more intrusive. Mac OS is a viable alternative (for all intents and purposes, it is Linux under the hood), but the hardware is pretty expensive. With Linux I can take just about any old Celeron/P4 system or higher and turn it into a functional computer. As for "being too reliant on the community for support," you ever tried calling Microsoft Technical Support? It is, admittedly, a double-edged sword. If you want people who know the subject matter inside and out and don't mind helping others with their knowledge, the Linux community has some of the best people out there. But the nature of Linux prevents a centralized technical support call center. Linux has its pros and cons. I can run the laptop I'm posting this from practically indefinitely without a reboot, including multiple suspends/resumes. I don't have to worry about malware or viruses. I don't have to worry about my data being mined and sold to the highest corporate bidder or government agency. I can pull the hard drive out of this Toshiba laptop, pop it into a Dell laptop, and boot right up with no accusations of being a software pirate and having to jump through re-registration hoops. And I fully support the philosophy of Free Open Source Software (FOSS). But I have to accept that in a Microsoft-oriented world, there are just some things I cannot do, and for those I maintain a Windows 7 Pro installation on a virtual machine. I also have to accept that hard-core gaming is out of the question (not that I care), and that I will occasionally run into a printer or other peripheral where device drivers are problematic. When I encounter such problems, Google is my best friend and rare is the occasion that I can't find a solution. Thanks. I'll assume from your post i don't need a software firewall or any kind of anti-phishing\malware software. I looked and saw bit defender and clam I was hoping for mainly we based protection NEVER MIND. THANKS EVERYONE |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 71560241 France 04/26/2016 03:23 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: SevenThunders The canonical way to install and uninstall packages is to use Software Manager. It's in Menu->Administration->Software Manager . Note also once you hit menu (windows key), you can just start typing in the search text dialog box (already selected) and it will find your program for you. Programs installed by Synaptic will show up in the updater list. It works the other way as well. Programs you installed from Software Manager or the apt-get command line interface will show up in Synaptic. You can browse the programs by category, read about them and then install (uninstall) a selected program. Synaptic is a bit more sophisticated and gives you more low level details and search options. Also that little shield in the lower right hand corner is your friend. If it has a green check mark on it, all your software is up to date. If not click on it and it will show what software needs updating. Tends to update a lot faster and more reliably than MS. To me it's way less confusing than microsoft and a lot faster. My computer always slows to a crawl if I have to open the ctrl-alt-delete (program manager) interface in MS. FYI if you want to see running programs and how what your resource usage is, run System Monitor Ty. One last question. What do i use for a software firewall? Are there any virus scanners or anti-phishing programs for the web? Not necessary. I have a Linux version of AVG installed on my laptop, but I only use it for scanning infected Windows hard drives. one of the real advantages of Linux is that I can EASILY roll back my system to a Clonezilla backup in 3 to 4 minutes. And it's an image, an exact snapshot of my entire system. Windows backup is a file-by-file copy which works *most* of the time. I can full image my system in 3 or 4 minutes, and full restore it in 3 or 4 minutes. Once you control your entire system, all that stuff about viruses, and firewalls, etc, it's just not important. Thanks I use Acronis 2014 with windows. I like the full image and the system state. Ill check out clonezilla |
Riff-Raff DEFCON 4 User ID: 71903783 United States 04/26/2016 03:24 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Linux Mint is extremely easy for people making the switch from Windows for the first time, but as other posters have suggested, almost all Linux distros will run from a Live CD/DVD or bootable USB drive so you can play around with them a little before actually installing them. It's all personal preference, just like Chevy versus Ford. Quoting: Riff-Raff You also need to know that possibly more important than your choice of distro is your choice of desktop environment. Gnome, KDE, Cinnamon, XFCE, and Mate are some of the most popular. Almost all of the major distros allow you to pick which desktop environment you want. You can even have multiple desktop environments installed and switch between them as you wish. Again, it's personal preference. Mint and Ubuntu (they are very closely related to each other) both have extensive user forums that can help with any questions or problems you have. If you're comfortable in DOS command line, you should be fine with Linux at the CLI level. You'll just have to relearn the commands. There are cheat sheets you can download that show DOS-Linux command line equivalents. Biggest piece of advice I can give you is that once you decide to make the switch, stick with it. You may get frustrated occasionally at first, but I guarantee you that you will end up wondering why you didn't switch sooner. Good luck and welcome to the Linux community! Using Linux Mint with Mate. Yeah I'm very comfortable with DOS before windows came along. I started on DOS and writing batch files was am every day thing.. Had a BBS running Telegard back in late 80s, early 90s. I can program in Pascal. I'm comfortable with command lines. scripts, ect. If you have any links to cheat sheets that would be awesome I just didn't want to have to learn a new system before I could run it efficiently. it seems like Mint is pretty much GUI unless you screw something up. It still seems like it's far too dependent on the community to be my trustworthy primary OS until I really learn the ins and out and can fix problems. I went with Cinnamon. I don't know what Mate is. I had the option of Cinn or KDE. I read Cinn was a better experience. Not even sure what the difference is. I had this as my desktop wallpaper for a few months and it came in handy while making the transition: [link to www.technocrazed.com] Cinnamon, KDE, Gnome, Mate, and XFCE are what's known as Desktop Managers. If you think back to Windows XP and how they gave you the choice between the newer, flashier appearance and the more classic Windows 98/2000 appearance, it's the same concept except you have a lot more options available to you. To use a car analogy, you chose Mint as your frame and powertrain. Your choice of desktop manager determines if it looks like a Chevy Equinox or a GMC Terrain. As for aptitude, synaptic, and the like, they all basically accomplish the same thing - installing and removing software packages. 9/10 you're going to be able to accomplish what you want with the built-in Software Manager, which is equivalent to an App Store. Synaptic and Apt give you some additional advanced options when installing that you probably won't need at first. Also, if you want to install a package that you find on the web, .DEB files are the Linux equivalent of .MSI files in Microsoft. Just download, double-click, and it activates the installer. I firmly believe Linux is the best operating system available to users. Microsoft is giving users less and less control over their machines while becoming more and more intrusive. Mac OS is a viable alternative (for all intents and purposes, it is Linux under the hood), but the hardware is pretty expensive. With Linux I can take just about any old Celeron/P4 system or higher and turn it into a functional computer. As for "being too reliant on the community for support," you ever tried calling Microsoft Technical Support? It is, admittedly, a double-edged sword. If you want people who know the subject matter inside and out and don't mind helping others with their knowledge, the Linux community has some of the best people out there. But the nature of Linux prevents a centralized technical support call center. Linux has its pros and cons. I can run the laptop I'm posting this from practically indefinitely without a reboot, including multiple suspends/resumes. I don't have to worry about malware or viruses. I don't have to worry about my data being mined and sold to the highest corporate bidder or government agency. I can pull the hard drive out of this Toshiba laptop, pop it into a Dell laptop, and boot right up with no accusations of being a software pirate and having to jump through re-registration hoops. And I fully support the philosophy of Free Open Source Software (FOSS). But I have to accept that in a Microsoft-oriented world, there are just some things I cannot do, and for those I maintain a Windows 7 Pro installation on a virtual machine. I also have to accept that hard-core gaming is out of the question (not that I care), and that I will occasionally run into a printer or other peripheral where device drivers are problematic. When I encounter such problems, Google is my best friend and rare is the occasion that I can't find a solution. Thanks. I'll assume from your post i don't need a software firewall or any kind of anti-phishing\malware software. I looked and saw bit defender and clam I was hoping for mainly we based protection Well, they won't hurt anything if you install them, but I've been running Linux without AV or firewall for over a decade now without being compromised. Not saying it can't happen; it's just extremely unlikely. "Collapse is a process, not an event." - Unknown "It's in your nature to destroy yourselves." - Terminator 2 "Risking my life for people I hate for reasons I don't understand." - Riff-Raff Deputy Director - DEFCON Warning System |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 45468346 United States 04/26/2016 03:29 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71560241 Ty. One last question. What do i use for a software firewall? Are there any virus scanners or anti-phishing programs for the web? Not necessary. I have a Linux version of AVG installed on my laptop, but I only use it for scanning infected Windows hard drives. one of the real advantages of Linux is that I can EASILY roll back my system to a Clonezilla backup in 3 to 4 minutes. And it's an image, an exact snapshot of my entire system. Windows backup is a file-by-file copy which works *most* of the time. I can full image my system in 3 or 4 minutes, and full restore it in 3 or 4 minutes. Once you control your entire system, all that stuff about viruses, and firewalls, etc, it's just not important. Thanks I use Acronis 2014 with windows. I like the full image and the system state. Ill check out clonezilla I used acronis for awhile, back when I still maintained a windows image. And it worked okay. But Microsoft spends an enormous amount of time and effort to make easy backups hard. They fuck with embedded flags in the formating, etc, to make it difficult. So most people live in fear of Windows. That's not an accident. They WANT you scared, they want you ignorant and powerless. Linux gives you full control. You OWN the hard drive, you own the image and there's not a bunch of purposeful sabotage to try and derail you. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 69545066 Sweden 04/26/2016 04:13 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'm about to switch too. Probably going with Arch. I actually think Linux is really shitty, with a godawful mess under the hood (that you unfortunately are going to have to open and have a peek at sooner or later). But Windows 10 has decided to go full NSA Big Brother 24/7 surveillance on us, so Windows is simply no longer a viable option. They have disqualified themselves from consideration by anyone who isn't a born cuck. I've been sticking to my Windows 7 (with updates off!) for a while, but that's not a long term solution either. So I'll have to make the move to Linux eventually. Might as well get it over with. The hardest part right now is cleaning up my hard drive, sorting my shit and backing up what I want to keep. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1149868 Germany 04/26/2016 04:21 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You should not switch to Linux OP. Apparently you are not able to do a proper google search on your topic (like [link to www.google.de (secure)] ), thus you will be doomed. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 55110291 United States 04/26/2016 04:22 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | [link to www.omgubuntu.co.uk] [link to fedoramagazine.org (secure)] look at distro watch to get a synopsis of what the different variants look like. most supported are ubuntu and fedora so its easy to google answers for common issues. [link to www.howtoforge.com (secure)] htf has lots of good docs that help you install all the programs people like. people have problems with updates when they are on a downstream distro becuase their tree may not sync up right. for example, somebody might create a variant of ubuntu which uses a nifty version of gtk for bling on the desktop. then an update from ubuntu pushes a gtk version which breaks some of the nifty on the downstream guy. for this reason it is recommended to stay on an upstream distro for stability. The three big ones are ubuntu, fedora, and opensuse. if you go with ubuntu, there is a steam icon in the software center which makes gaming super easy. it can be done in others but takes work. drivers are doing fairly well. it used to be that video cards was a big sticking point but, both nvidia and amd have linux drivers for their latest cards now. kde, gnome, icewm, enlightenment etc are desktops. you can install any of them on whatever linux distro you pick. kde and gnome are the prettiest but, suffer from code bloat which makes them resource hogs and will slow down an older machine. cinnamon was invented by the guy at mint - i like it but, its still a one off and too young. definately, load as many as you want in a VM and try them for a few days before jumping to the next one. its the least messy way of finding the one for you. every forum has its trolls so it is not a valid reason to avoid linux since that is where you will end up if your google-fu is not up to snuff. there are also nice people who only seek to increase the linux user base in what ever small way they can. I have been on lxle and backbox for a while now. Thinking it might be time to jump to fedora, suse, or pcbsd again. My servers are openbsd - not a good desktop; trust me, i tried |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 2015659 United States 04/26/2016 04:47 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What is the best distro to use for a noob? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 67294803 I'm started with M$ long before windows. Many years I used DOS and wrote batch files. That being said U know nothing of Linux file system\directory structure. I know nothing about command line usage in Linux I want to learn but I also want to have the easiest distro to use while learning Xubuntu. You will still have a start menu. Ubuntu has fucked that up sidways with Gnome. Xubuntu comes with XFCE instead of Gnome. More windows like, runs 1000% faster, and is extremely user friendly. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 47882001 United States 04/26/2016 05:26 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What is the best distro to use for a noob? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 67294803 I'm started with M$ long before windows. Many years I used DOS and wrote batch files. That being said U know nothing of Linux file system\directory structure. I know nothing about command line usage in Linux I want to learn but I also want to have the easiest distro to use while learning Xubuntu. You will still have a start menu. Ubuntu has fucked that up sidways with Gnome. Xubuntu comes with XFCE instead of Gnome. More windows like, runs 1000% faster, and is extremely user friendly. I love XFCE too and I think all newbies will appreciate the less bloated XFCE desktop. Linux Mint XFCE or Xubuntu for the win. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 72068702 Australia 04/26/2016 12:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | My preferred Linux distribution is Zorin - [link to zorinos.com] Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72075737 Zorin has a unique feature to emulate the looks and action of the Microsoft Windows user interface like XP or Win 7. The paid version emulates other systems too. My second version is Robo Linux - [link to www.robolinux.org (secure)] The Debian derivatives have a large software repository and the software installers are ok as far as loading any dependencies. Good luck on your OS exploration! yeah Zorin for those windoze geeks// |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 42562793 Finland 04/26/2016 05:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'm about to switch too. Probably going with Arch. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 69545066 I actually think Linux is really shitty, with a godawful mess under the hood (that you unfortunately are going to have to open and have a peek at sooner or later). But Windows 10 has decided to go full NSA Big Brother 24/7 surveillance on us, so Windows is simply no longer a viable option. They have disqualified themselves from consideration by anyone who isn't a born cuck. I've been sticking to my Windows 7 (with updates off!) for a while, but that's not a long term solution either. So I'll have to make the move to Linux eventually. Might as well get it over with. The hardest part right now is cleaning up my hard drive, sorting my shit and backing up what I want to keep. Arch is GODLIKE compared to win7. Trust me I switched 2015. |
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