What happened to the THIRTEENTH AMENDMENT of the U.S. Constitution Barring Attorneys from holding Office?

And by 1819 they would have needed 17 votes and they didn't have it

True, a lawyer must pass the Bar examine in the state(s) he practices law, but he must also be accredited and registered by the British Accreditation Regency which is located in the City Of London sovereign enclave and is not a part of the UK. It is part of the "Crown Of England" which is nothing more or less than global bankers union, which has zip to do with the queen or royalty. It all a deception. And yes, all lawyers practicing law in the United States must be accredited and registered with the Crown of England, the United States being a corporate holding of said "crown", which is actually just a group of international bankers. All government agencies in the United States are also corporations in their own right, for instance the IRS is a corporation and so is the FBI, the CIA, the Justice Department and so on.

Wikipedia is not a valid or reliable reference since it can be authored and edited by anyone.

Congress did not set a time limit for its ratification, so the amendment is still pending before the states.

Ratification by an additional 26 states is needed for this amendment to be adopted.

Get busy getting it finally ratified.

Idiot

Provide a verifiable link then of proof of that, your saying so does not make it true.

Oh, and here's my link that tells what you are stating is crap.

[link to home.hiwaay.net]

Last Edited by G. House on 05/02/2016 10:38 PM

By virtue of UCC LAW our courts are now practicing MARITIME/COMMERCE LAW ... which is of the 'sea' or 'another' judicial system within a judicial system ... ANOTHER COUNTRY, literally! To be an OFFICER of that FOREIGN agent, confers one BENEFIT.

"If any citizen of the United States shall accept, claim, receive, or retain any title of nobility or honour, or shall without the consent of Congress, accept and retain any present, pension, office, or emolument of any kind whatever, from any emperor, king, prince, or foreign power, such person shall cease to be a citizen of the united States, and shall be incapable of holding any office of trust or profit under them, or either of them."

Definition of emolument
1
: the returns arising from office or employment usually in the form of compensation or perquisites.
[link to www.merriam-webster.com]

As long as one is 'licensed' in the legal profession, they have received benefit of this office.
AND have the NOBLE title of Officer of the Court.

Last Edited by Ozark Granny on 05/02/2016 10:44 PM

That is true!
And a much more interesting concept then a Convention of States!

Miss Ozark granny? Can we have a friendly chat?

I love this country. Follow its laws and stop those that don't

I'm blessed I was born here. I want my great great grandchildren to live better lives than I did

I worked my butt off too get where I am
No handouts nothing

Lower middle class family

I love this country and want it to be great again

By twisting words of this nobility amendment you want ratified, you want my citizenship removed

Why do this to a Good Christian man?

I have been criticized for bragging about my intelligence but I think it is only fair to mention that it is always after such a comment as this that I state the facts. Judging by your comments, your vocabulary, your failure to reason or exhibit any level of critical thinking skills, and you reliance on personal insults as a method of debate, it is highly unlike that you have an IQ above room temperature, and certainly no greater than a number 40-50 points below my own. You are calling a man that tests repeatedly in the top tenth of the 99th percentile an idiot, and you're stupid enough to believe it will help your agreement. As a rule the first person to rely on ad hominem type personal attacks has lost the debate and is aware of it, as is everyone else.

Whether or not the 13th amendment was ratified or even if lawyers are noblemen of a foreign power isn't really pertinent, what is in most people's view is that it is readily apparent there is something seriously amiss with the government and the government is made up almost exclusively of lawyers.

And that is what you are totally missing, if there was not a problem with lawyers this debate wouldn't be happening.

Not "twisting" by any means ... I am simply trying to figure out why our country is in the CRAPPER! My research leads me to the court system, which is beyond CORRUPTION. It has gone from a COMMON LAW Court to a COMMERCIAL Court system that is robbing America blind! To add to that insult to our freedom, it is OFFICERS of the COURT that litter our legislative system to keep churning out this UCC crap that is strangling our nation.

If you want to do good and be a lawyer to help 'lay' people understand this mess, that is one thing. But to automatically be an Officer of the Court makes one part of the problem.

Last Edited by Ozark Granny on 05/02/2016 10:52 PM

So what is the basic underlying problem with the legal system and the government?
When 85% consistently express great dissatisfaction and claim the government doesn't represent them in what is supposed to be a representative government, a problem exists. So what is that problem? I think it's fairly easy to see what it is, that the government and specifically the courts have set themselves up to be a separate over-class of the people with special rights and privileges that the rest of us do not enjoy in direct contradiction of the most basic founding principal of a constitutional republic, equal protection and representation under the law. It is obvious these lawyers have no real loyalty to the people who make up the country, who defend it's borders, who create its wealth, who produce its needs and who do its labor. The government has become a parasite, and the government is made up of lawyers. SO obviously lawyers have something to do directly with the problem, and tat problem is self evidently loyalty do a power that does not respect the rights and needs of the people of this country.

I'm not corrupt

Have never taken a bribe.

I can't be blackmailed cus I did it the right way.

I'm fighting this corruptness that put us in the crapper..


But I'm 1 guy

There is a stigma to it and a lot are scum...

But I'm not

I will put politician's in prison if I had the evidence

cus?

Because a lot of politicians are scumbags

And don't want to serve you or me

Just themselves and satan

"The original thirteenth amendment got in the way of British bribes to government officials. These bribes were eventually to secure British control over the United States once again; but this time; through the establishment of the foreign-controlled Federal Reserve, and it's privately controlled subsidiary organization, the Internal Revenue Service. In fact, it was through such bribes and an act of arson to destroy records, that the ratified thirteenth amendment was gradually obfuscated.

That is why the heads of the Federal Reserve have been Knights of the British Realm; US presidents have been British Rhodes-Trust controlled agents, and why we now have a "President" (Barack Obama) who is technically a British citizen (he admits his father was a citizen of a British colony.)"

Congressman McFadden on the Federal Reserve - Louis McFadden

[link to archive.org (secure)]

Miss Ozark granny

If it was ratified in 1810 then there would have been no more lawyer presidents until it was "bribed out of existence"

But from 1810 on most of the presidents were in fact all lawyers

It was not ratified in 1810, it was passed by Congress.

However ...

"There has been a lot of discussion over the years about the fact that this Amendment was established to prohibit members of the BAR Association from participating in government offices.

If that were the sole purpose for this Amendment it is wasted energy. Our Founding Fathers were much more straight forward than that.

No Senator or Representative shall, during the Time for which he was elected, be appointed to any civil Office under the Authority of the United States, which shall have been created, or the Emoluments whereof shall have been encreased during such time: and no Person holding any Office under the United States, shall be a Member of either House during his Continuance in Office. - Article I, Section 6, Paragraph 2 - Constitution for the United States of America

This provision was established to maintain the clear dividing line that had been drawn between the three branches of the government. Violation of this provision create a direct conflict of interest because members of the BAR would be officers of the court in the Judiciary branch and members of the legislature in the Legislative branch."
[link to www.constitutionalconcepts.org]

But even most of our founding fathers were lawyers

Surely if they didn't want that than john Adams or john quincy Adams or franklin pierce would never have been elected

Thomas Jefferson certainly would have stopped it

For you consideration:

The corporation United States Government was created by Congress in 1871 to conduct the business of the united states of America.
The corporation then adopted corporate bylaws resembling the then current Constitution for the united states of America.
The corporation called their document the United States Constitution, left out some of the amendments, copyrighted some terms (ex. United States of America, US Govt., etc) and began conducting the business Congress created it to conduct.

The American Bar Association (ABA), founded August 21, 1878, is a voluntary bar association of lawyers and law students, which is not specific to any jurisdiction in the United States.
[link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)]

Agreed.
They did this WITHOUT the consent of the "WE" the People.

Most lawyers belong to the BAR and their state BAR.

Granny answer the question?

Thomas Jefferson write the constitution and was the 3rd president and a lawyer

Both Adams, Pierce, Fillmore on and on

There has NEVER BEEN A BAN ON LAWYERS IN OFFICE

Thomas Jefferson being a lawyer says it all

He wrote the constitution and WAS PRESIDENT

OMG ... really?!?

You really think that Jefferson was a member of the BAR association? He may have been a LAWYER, but NOT a member of the BRITISH Accredited Registry ...

Actually he passed the virginia bar
Sorry

"Admitted to the Virginia bar in 1765 after more than two years of reading law under the tutelage of George Wythe, Jefferson practiced before the General Court in Williamsburg, specializing in land cases. By the time Edmund Randolph took over his practice in 1774, he had handled more than 900 matters, with clients ranging from common farmers and indentured servants to the most powerful and wealthy of the colony's planter elite. In Bolling v. Bolling (1771) and Blair v. Blair (1772) he became involved in the private, often sensational affairs of the gentry, while in Howell v. Netherland (1770) he attempted to win the freedom of a mixed-race man he believed to be illegally bound to servitude. Jefferson was influenced by an English tradition distinguishing between common law—a tradition preserved by courts through precedent—and natural law, or rights ordained by God." [link to www.encyclopediavirginia.org]

COMMON LAW not COMMERCIAL LAW.

BIG differnce.

Ummmm, you might want to read a biography, not only did he pass an exam, he used the title of esquire throughout his life, including the presidency. Primary documents, such as correspondence by himself and to himself prove he used the title.