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Fort Mcmurray - Canada's Oil Hub Burns - 80,000+ Evacuated

 
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The facts are Western Canada is getting hammered with record heat every year, earlier 'n earlier in the season. High 20's and a few +30c in may area the past few weeks. We finally got some rain last night. First time since early last fucking MONTH. High winds and thunderstorms rolling now could spark a wildfire in my backyard. its getting fucking dangerous out here yet everyone is more focused on some political terroristic bullshit.
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Sure its dry ... but you're telling me the federal and provincial government of this country could not save this strategic resource of Canada?

imho, it's only because they did not try ... they were both a day late and dollar short to the party.
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You should read the mail friend, your own Canadian media covered this as a best they could and they have all the facts right up until the town burnt down. The federal and provincial government of Cana-duh Decided to cut back on wildfire fighting resources, that is the real story and nobody there is going to buy some BS about a terrorist attack, there was plenty of news about this fire on the second of May and the great federal and provincial government of Cana-Duh blew it off. In fact there were a slew of wildfires going on from the same Lighting storm, in a general area, like over 10 of varying degrees of concern. You just got mis-managed, nobody took into account the winds and the threat to F.M.

You have NO Snow there, Relative humidity and the Woods is bone dry in May and this is just the beginning of a long hot summer there. Perhaps there is a reason what resources there were diverted to a brush fire in the weeds is a problem, there were many that sprung up from the same storm in the area and it is documented NEWS.
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You misunderstand me ... I'm not suggesting they're incompetent. It's gone because these Jesuit demons and the dark principalities that back them wanted it gone. Expect to pay a lot more for Saudi fuel real soon.

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so is it all of Wood Buffalo County thats on fire ?

or just the city of Fort McMurray thats burnt
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I just heard on the news that the fire is the size of Chicago, NY and DC all combined. That is huge...but maybe since I've never seen a wildfire...maybe they are all big like that.
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85,000 hectares or 850 sq. Kilometres in size as of this morning. The size of Calgary. One hectare is the size of one rugby pitch. Burning at very high 800-1000 °C.

[link to www.cbc.ca]
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Sure its dry ... but you're telling me the federal and provincial government of this country could not save this strategic resource of Canada?

imho, it's only because they did not try ... they were both a day late and dollar short to the party.
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You should read the mail friend, your own Canadian media covered this as a best they could and they have all the facts right up until the town burnt down. The federal and provincial government of Cana-duh Decided to cut back on wildfire fighting resources, that is the real story and nobody there is going to buy some BS about a terrorist attack, there was plenty of news about this fire on the second of May and the great federal and provincial government of Cana-Duh blew it off. In fact there were a slew of wildfires going on from the same Lighting storm, in a general area, like over 10 of varying degrees of concern. You just got mis-managed, nobody took into account the winds and the threat to F.M.

You have NO Snow there, Relative humidity and the Woods is bone dry in May and this is just the beginning of a long hot summer there. Perhaps there is a reason what resources there were diverted to a brush fire in the weeds is a problem, there were many that sprung up from the same storm in the area and it is documented NEWS.
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You misunderstand me ... I'm not suggesting they're incompetent. It's gone because these Jesuit demons and the dark principalities that back them wanted it gone. Expect to pay a lot more for Saudi fuel real soon.

:soros:
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Yup I suspect Iran or the Saudi's behind this.
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Has this region every burned to the ground before? How do you know arsonists are not walking about, lighting matches on windy days? Do you think that destroying any ability to use this area for oil production has a purpose?

Investor protectionism is The Name of the Game and they are murdering and destroying anything in their way. Call it the Samson Option if you would like. But they plan has been underway for a century and a prosperous N. American continent is not going to allow them to reinvest in developing nations.

These are not smart people but they are determined, backed by a red blooded royal family and bankers who have done far worse.

Remember the experiments on CHILDREN in Canada? These are the people in charge.
Had a dream long ago which showed me the future and it was not pretty. Been watching closely ever since.
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Ya and don't forget North Korea and the Illuminati. jerkit
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Sure its dry ... but you're telling me the federal and provincial government of this country could not save this strategic resource of Canada?

imho, it's only because they did not try ... they were both a day late and dollar short to the party.
 Quoting: Big Duke6


You should read the mail friend, your own Canadian media covered this as a best they could and they have all the facts right up until the town burnt down. The federal and provincial government of Cana-duh Decided to cut back on wildfire fighting resources, that is the real story and nobody there is going to buy some BS about a terrorist attack, there was plenty of news about this fire on the second of May and the great federal and provincial government of Cana-Duh blew it off. In fact there were a slew of wildfires going on from the same Lighting storm, in a general area, like over 10 of varying degrees of concern. You just got mis-managed, nobody took into account the winds and the threat to F.M.

You have NO Snow there, Relative humidity and the Woods is bone dry in May and this is just the beginning of a long hot summer there. Perhaps there is a reason what resources there were diverted to a brush fire in the weeds is a problem, there were many that sprung up from the same storm in the area and it is documented NEWS.
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You misunderstand me ... I'm not suggesting they're incompetent. It's gone because these Jesuit demons and the dark principalities that back them wanted it gone. Expect to pay a lot more for Saudi fuel real soon.

:soros:
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WE Got you covered Canada! Don't fret about world oil or the arabs, We in the USA have a HUGE oil field called the Bakken field. There are BILLIONS of Barrels of our strategic reserves and we will build a pipeline TO Cana=Duh
so that you can have the same overpriced gas and oil you get there now.

We got your back Cana-Duh. Don't worry about a single thing.

P.S. all the investors into the tar sands project will have to write this loss off on their taxes.

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so is it all of Wood Buffalo County thats on fire ?

or just the city of Fort McMurray thats burnt
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I just heard on the news that the fire is the size of Chicago, NY and DC all combined. That is huge...but maybe since I've never seen a wildfire...maybe they are all big like that.
 Quoting: Isaiah 43:1-2


85,000 hectares or 850 sq. Kilometres in size as of this morning. The size of Calgary. One hectare is the size of one rugby pitch. Burning at very high 800-1000 °C.

[link to www.cbc.ca]
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Wow, so it would take 8.5 hours of driving at 100 km/hr to get from one end of the fire to the other? That's crazy. I think it's 85 km so about an hour to get from one end to the other.
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so is it all of Wood Buffalo County thats on fire ?

or just the city of Fort McMurray thats burnt
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I just heard on the news that the fire is the size of Chicago, NY and DC all combined. That is huge...but maybe since I've never seen a wildfire...maybe they are all big like that.
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NYC is 1,214 sq. km.
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How come all those burnt out trucks & cars did not explode from the intense heat of the flames. I'm thinking here about those vehicles having a full tank of gasoline?
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I've been right in the middle of that sort of fire.
The most shocking thing?
Full propane tanks remaining intact until the fire burned out.
Physics is a weird, amazing thing that sometimes does you favors.
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so is it all of Wood Buffalo County thats on fire ?

or just the city of Fort McMurray thats burnt
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I just heard on the news that the fire is the size of Chicago, NY and DC all combined. That is huge...but maybe since I've never seen a wildfire...maybe they are all big like that.
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85,000 hectares or 850 sq. Kilometres in size as of this morning. The size of Calgary. One hectare is the size of one rugby pitch. Burning at very high 800-1000 °C.

[link to www.cbc.ca]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72143672


Wow, so it would take 8.5 hours of driving at 100 km/hr to get from one end of the fire to the other? That's crazy. I think it's 85 km so about an hour to get from one end to the other.
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It's boreal forest, so you'd have a hard time driving anywhere. There's one road out to the south and one road out to the north, which is literally the end of the road, just north of FM.
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How come all those burnt out trucks & cars did not explode from the intense heat of the flames. I'm thinking here about those vehicles having a full tank of gasoline?
 Quoting: Samara


I've been right in the middle of that sort of fire.
The most shocking thing?
Full propane tanks remaining intact until the fire burned out.
Physics is a weird, amazing thing that sometimes does you favors.
 Quoting: The Comedian :D


You're right. A propane company building caught fire last night, but the tanks did not. Mind you, firefighters put in a lot of work on that one. A gas station, however, exploded.
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How come all those burnt out trucks & cars did not explode from the intense heat of the flames. I'm thinking here about those vehicles having a full tank of gasoline?
 Quoting: Samara


I've been right in the middle of that sort of fire.
The most shocking thing?
Full propane tanks remaining intact until the fire burned out.
Physics is a weird, amazing thing that sometimes does you favors.
 Quoting: The Comedian :D


well, the Propane won't explode until the tank casing explodes from the increased pressure caused by the heat.
then, once the casing explodes (pressure), it is then that
the propane needs an ignition source. so, if the fire is moving fast,
then it hasn't got time to heat the steel casing (and steel doesn't normally catch fire...


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Rather odd given my post just above, but you're crazy. This is not the act of many people, but a very limited few, and they wield an awesome amount of power. The kind of power that elects muppets like McGuinty, Wynne, Trump and Trudeau.
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How much would I have to pay you to shut the fuck up for a month?
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I'm here to call it like it is. Sometime's I think I'm inside my own simulation, but that's a whole different topic.

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How come all those burnt out trucks & cars did not explode from the intense heat of the flames. I'm thinking here about those vehicles having a full tank of gasoline?
 Quoting: Samara


I've been right in the middle of that sort of fire.
The most shocking thing?
Full propane tanks remaining intact until the fire burned out.
Physics is a weird, amazing thing that sometimes does you favors.
 Quoting: The Comedian :D


You're right. A propane company building caught fire last night, but the tanks did not. Mind you, firefighters put in a lot of work on that one. A gas station, however, exploded.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72143672


jay
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The facts are Western Canada is getting hammered with record heat every year, earlier 'n earlier in the season. High 20's and a few +30c in may area the past few weeks. We finally got some rain last night. First time since early last fucking MONTH. High winds and thunderstorms rolling now could spark a wildfire in my backyard. its getting fucking dangerous out here yet everyone is more focused on some political terroristic bullshit.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71325234


Better have a bug out bag ready just in case. Gather all important legal docs, eg. passport, birth certs, marriage/divorce papers, house ins. policy, home ownership docs. Expensive Jewellery, change of clothing, toiletries. Important prescriptions.

We all should have these things readily available during fire season & it makes it so much less stressful to get out the door fast. Also keep the gas tank filled all the time.
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WE Got you covered Canada! Don't fret about world oil or the arabs, We in the USA have a HUGE oil field called the Bakken field. There are BILLIONS of Barrels of our strategic reserves and we will build a pipeline TO Cana=Duh
so that you can have the same overpriced gas and oil you get there now.

We got your back Cana-Duh. Don't worry about a single thing.

P.S. all the investors into the tar sands project will have to write this loss off on their taxes.

OH! AL-BUTT-HURT AL-BERT_UGH!!
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Ha ha you've got the largest coal reserves on the planet, and W. Virginia is all but shuttered. That's where your energy industry is going under President Hitlery.

Thanks but no thanks. We take care of our own.
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How come all those burnt out trucks & cars did not explode from the intense heat of the flames. I'm thinking here about those vehicles having a full tank of gasoline?
 Quoting: Samara


I've been right in the middle of that sort of fire.
The most shocking thing?
Full propane tanks remaining intact until the fire burned out.
Physics is a weird, amazing thing that sometimes does you favors.
 Quoting: The Comedian :D


You're right. A propane company building caught fire last night, but the tanks did not. Mind you, firefighters put in a lot of work on that one. A gas station, however, exploded.
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jay
 Quoting: The Comedian :D


So basically a stroke of good luck. I find it very interesting that they don't explode with such intense heat.
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The fire started beside a service center south of town (north-west winds projecting to turn north, perfect location), on a Sunday.
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Wiki says that it started South of the urban service area, which just means south of Fort McMurray. Technically, it was a city until 1995, when it became an urban service area.

[link to en.m.wikipedia.org (secure)]

This does not mean a service centre, i.e. gas stations.
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Wiki is a TPTB tool for the truth to become fluid and fit the facts the folks know about. In so many words much horseshit spinkled in with facts the folks know to be true.

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so is it all of Wood Buffalo County thats on fire ?

or just the city of Fort McMurray thats burnt
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I just heard on the news that the fire is the size of Chicago, NY and DC all combined. That is huge...but maybe since I've never seen a wildfire...maybe they are all big like that.
 Quoting: Isaiah 43:1-2


85,000 hectares or 850 sq. Kilometres in size as of this morning. The size of Calgary. One hectare is the size of one rugby pitch. Burning at very high 800-1000 °C.

[link to www.cbc.ca]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72143672


Wow, so it would take 8.5 hours of driving at 100 km/hr to get from one end of the fire to the other? That's crazy. I think it's 85 km so about an hour to get from one end to the other.
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Wait, what?
If it's 85 000 hectares, that's about 850 sq kms.
The square (sq) is important.
So we need to find the square root of 85 000.
That is (Google tells me) 291.5.
That means 290km long by 290kms wide.
Not a straight line. It's a square.
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Rather odd given my post just above, but you're crazy. This is not the act of many people, but a very limited few, and they wield an awesome amount of power. The kind of power that elects muppets like McGuinty, Wynne, Trump and Trudeau.
 Quoting: Big Duke6


How much would I have to pay you to shut the fuck up for a month?
 Quoting: The Comedian :D


I'm here to call it like it is. Sometime's I think I'm inside my own simulation, but that's a whole different topic.
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I think you've disappeared up you own simulation as well.
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Motorcyclist Can't Handle The Heat From This Fort McMurray Wildfire
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Ground evac of the work camps north of the city will begin tomorrow. Live news conference now.

Province-wide fire ban in effect. People discouraged from taking ATVs into the woods.

Water treatment plant shut down, but back in operation again, with a crew from central Alberta on its way to help out.

Downtown safe right now.
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Didn't read all the responses.

Is there a site or something to donate to the families?
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obvious arson wildfire don spread like that w/o peeps vehicles seenit here an it was arson.
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I just heard on the news that the fire is the size of Chicago, NY and DC all combined. That is huge...but maybe since I've never seen a wildfire...maybe they are all big like that.
 Quoting: Isaiah 43:1-2


85,000 hectares or 850 sq. Kilometres in size as of this morning. The size of Calgary. One hectare is the size of one rugby pitch. Burning at very high 800-1000 °C.

[link to www.cbc.ca]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72143672


Wow, so it would take 8.5 hours of driving at 100 km/hr to get from one end of the fire to the other? That's crazy. I think it's 85 km so about an hour to get from one end to the other.
 Quoting: Deca 71291058


Wait, what?
If it's 85 000 hectares, that's about 850 sq kms.
The square (sq) is important.
So we need to find the square root of 85 000.
That is (Google tells me) 291.5.
That means 290km long by 290kms wide.
Not a straight line. It's a square.
 Quoting: RefreshPage


Sooo........ that would mean about 2.9 hours at 100km/hr to drive across......still a pretty big barbeque!
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I'm here to call it like it is. Sometime's I think I'm inside my own simulation, but that's a whole different topic.
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I think you've disappeared up you own simulation as well.
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I speak truth to power, and you for the most part, fling ad hominems.
What it is bro
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Didn't read all the responses.

Is there a site or something to donate to the families?
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Lightning from cold front hitting now all around northern Alberta now...Expect more fires in the morning.





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