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NASA - Going to the Moon for REAL this time - so the Chinese don't find out the Apollo landings were faked!

 
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Are you kidding. they still have no idea how the sun works in the middle. its all theory buddy. get a life. a lot of the science you so trustingly believe in is like you believing everything in the bible. just because they come out with a plausible theory doesnt mean it wont be hit out of the ball park at a later date... which is what happens to most theorys. rant
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The point is, I don't have to see inside the Sun to understand that its heat is generated by nuclear fusion (a FACT by the way, not a theory) although by amount of hot air generated by conspiracy nut-bars on the internet, I'm surprised someone hasn't suggested them as an alternative power source. Perhaps the Sun isn't real; just faked by NASA. Some people seem to want to attribute NASA with more omnipotence than God himself.

Incidentally, there is no reason why NASA, or anyone else for that matter, needs to PROVE that they have landed a man on the moon; its up to those that say they haven't to prove that they haven't. The burden of proof is on the conspiracy theorists. After 43 years I have not seen a single item of evidence supporting the Hoax Theory, or at least nothing that deserves to be called evidence.

Sure, there have been lots of books, publications and opinion pieces by ill-informed plebeians and philistines of dubious credibility, such as Bill, Bart and David etc (we all know who most of them are are). There are also obviously faked, altered or manipulated videos and photographs (most of which appear on one of the most unreliable sources on the planet; YouTube). They purport to irrefutably prove fakery, when they in fact, irrefutably prove that fakery is very, very difficult to do convincingly, even with today's video technology; technology that simply did not exist in 1969. Yet in all that time, with so many nut-jobs dedicating all their time and energy into proving the existence of a conspiracy, not a single, solitary shred of credible evidence has ever come to light. Not once has a credible source, independent of both the hoax claimers or NASA, has ever come forward with a photo, a video or other piece of evidence to show that the moon landings were faked.

On top of all that, any such conspiracy would be impossible to keep secret because of the size and complexity required. The conspiracy would have to involve all of the more than 400,000 people who worked on the Apollo project for nearly ten years, the twelve astronauts who walked on the Moon, the six others who flew with them as CM Pilots, and another six astronauts who orbited the Moon. Then, there are hundreds of thousands of people including other astronauts at Capcom and the MSFC and scientists, engineers, technicians, and skilled laborers who would have had to keep the secret. Then there are the thousands of people in foreign countries who operated the world-wide network of tracking stations. They would have been well aware of the direction in which their dishes were pointing. Then there are all the amateur radio operators (totally independent of the US Government and NASA) who listened in on the Apollo astronauts' VHF transmissions; like Larry Baysinger (W4EJA) of Louisville KY, who eavesdropped on Apollo 11, actually recording the astronauts radio transmissions to earth

[link to www.arrl.org]

...and then there is Sven Grahn and a bunch of other radio enthusiasts who tracked Apollo 17 in Titusville FL

[link to www.svengrahn.pp.se]

They would have to have been in on it too.

It would have been much easier to really land on the Moon than to generate such a huge conspiracy to fake the landings. It would also have been cheaper, because while the Apollo programme ended in 1972, a conspiracy, if it existed, would still be eating millions if not billions of US$ annually, just to keep the secret. Someone whose pet-project budget was being impacted upon by all that expenditure, or some young ambitious political climber want to make capital, would have spilled the beans by now.

To date, in a period of over 40 years, during which both the Democrats and the Republicans have held office, not one single person from the US government or NASA, or anyone who would have been linked to the Apollo program has ever outed this alleged conspiracy. With the number of people that would have had to be involved, someone would surely have outed the hoax by now. The US government has a poor record of keeping secrets (Watergate, the Pueblo Incident, Gary Powers, Iran Contra to name just a few). It is extremely unlikely that they could have silenced everyone if the landings had been faked.
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Why is NASA unwilling to aim the Hubble telescope at the alleged Apollo lunar landing sites and show us once and for all?
 Quoting: Thor's Hamster



lol, because you can see it with a land based telescope, nutball.

how about reviewing the Japanese photomaps of the moon, which was made fairly recently. Are the Japs in on it too?
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LOL! What the hell? No you can't!!! Show me.
Apollo astronauts couldn't have passed through Van Allen's Belt. Van Allen wore suspenders.
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Why is NASA unwilling to aim the Hubble telescope at the alleged Apollo lunar landing sites and show us once and for all?
 Quoting: Thor's Hamster

Hoaxies already ignore a Mount Everest of evidence.
They would just handwave it away.

If it were even possible.
You not knowing it is impossible to image the Apollo relics with the HST once again demonstrates that hoaxies are scientifically illiterate.

If they did then you would just say it's photoshopped, like the shots from the Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24940156

Surely you're not referring to those images of shadows of...something...on the lunar surface? Ya, those were REAL definitive. lol
 Quoting: Thor's Hamster

Case in point.
The energy produced by hoaxie-handwaving could power a small nation.


[link to www.youtube.com] (Best viewd in HD.)

A couple years ago, NASA made headlines by saying they were going to write a book that would finally and definitively put an end to the Apollo lunar landing doubters. It was on the front pages of newspapers, headlines on t.v. and radio news, and on the talk show circuit. Then a funny thing happened. NASA quietly cancelled the project.
 Quoting: Thor's Hamster

CONGRESS cancelled it.
They told NASA not to waste public funds on trying to educate idiots.

But THAT didn't make any headlines.
 Quoting: Thor's Hamster

Blame the journos.
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Schlock
 Quoting: Halcyon Dayz, FCD


Oh, really? I suppose you can provide a link for that?
Apollo astronauts couldn't have passed through Van Allen's Belt. Van Allen wore suspenders.
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Why is NASA unwilling to aim the Hubble telescope at the alleged Apollo lunar landing sites and show us once and for all?
 Quoting: Thor's Hamster

Hoaxies already ignore a Mount Everest of evidence.
They would just handwave it away.

If it were even possible.
You not knowing it is impossible to image the Apollo relics with the HST once again demonstrates that hoaxies are scientifically illiterate.

If they did then you would just say it's photoshopped, like the shots from the Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24940156

Surely you're not referring to those images of shadows of...something...on the lunar surface? Ya, those were REAL definitive. lol
 Quoting: Thor's Hamster

Case in point.
The energy produced by hoaxie-handwaving could power a small nation.


[link to www.youtube.com] (Best viewd in HD.)

A couple years ago, NASA made headlines by saying they were going to write a book that would finally and definitively put an end to the Apollo lunar landing doubters. It was on the front pages of newspapers, headlines on t.v. and radio news, and on the talk show circuit. Then a funny thing happened. NASA quietly cancelled the project.
 Quoting: Thor's Hamster

CONGRESS cancelled it.
They told NASA not to waste public funds on trying to educate idiots.

But THAT didn't make any headlines.
 Quoting: Thor's Hamster

Blame the journos.
book

Schlock
 Quoting: Halcyon Dayz, FCD


Regarding the video, I could show a video and post script telling you what things are. Would that necessarily make it true? Absolute garbage.
Apollo astronauts couldn't have passed through Van Allen's Belt. Van Allen wore suspenders.
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Re: NASA - Going to the Moon for REAL this time - so the Chinese don't find out the Apollo landings were faked!
Why is NASA unwilling to aim the Hubble telescope at the alleged Apollo lunar landing sites and show us once and for all?
 Quoting: Thor's Hamster

Hoaxies already ignore a Mount Everest of evidence.
They would just handwave it away.

If it were even possible.
You not knowing it is impossible to image the Apollo relics with the HST once again demonstrates that hoaxies are scientifically illiterate.

If they did then you would just say it's photoshopped, like the shots from the Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24940156

Surely you're not referring to those images of shadows of...something...on the lunar surface? Ya, those were REAL definitive. lol
 Quoting: Thor's Hamster

Case in point.
The energy produced by hoaxie-handwaving could power a small nation.


[link to www.youtube.com] (Best viewd in HD.)

A couple years ago, NASA made headlines by saying they were going to write a book that would finally and definitively put an end to the Apollo lunar landing doubters. It was on the front pages of newspapers, headlines on t.v. and radio news, and on the talk show circuit. Then a funny thing happened. NASA quietly cancelled the project.
 Quoting: Thor's Hamster

CONGRESS cancelled it.
They told NASA not to waste public funds on trying to educate idiots.

But THAT didn't make any headlines.
 Quoting: Thor's Hamster

Blame the journos.
book

Schlock
 Quoting: Halcyon Dayz, FCD


Why doesn't NASA simply aim the Hubble Space Telescope at the alleged Apollo lunar landing sites? It has aimed Hubble at other regions on the moon. It's curious that NASA doesn't target the alleged Apollo lunar landing sites with Hubble.
Apollo astronauts couldn't have passed through Van Allen's Belt. Van Allen wore suspenders.
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10/06/2012 03:33 AM
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Once the Chinese get there (gasp, their goal is to land a man on the moon by 2020, the same year USA wants a lunar base complete) the American's will have already "returned" and set up fake Apollo landing sites to perpetrate the original landing hoax of 1969.
 Quoting: markusmaximus 148742


"Quick dude, set up the fake landing area before they catch us!!!" I'm so sure, shut the fuck UP, fucking GAY.
smartcooky
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10/06/2012 04:28 AM
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Why doesn't NASA simply aim the Hubble Space Telescope at the alleged Apollo lunar landing sites? It has aimed Hubble at other regions on the moon. It's curious that NASA doesn't target the alleged Apollo lunar landing sites with Hubble.
 Quoting: Thor's Hamster


I've already answered that earlier in this thread at this post.

[link to www.godlikeproductions.com]

In short, the absolute smallest object that the HST can resolve at the distance of the Moon (about 400 million metres) is 200 meters wide. The LM descent stages are only 4 metres wide - 50 times too small be be resolved.

Now either you are too stupid to understand this, or you simply choose not to. I don't really care which.
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Why doesn't NASA simply aim the Hubble Space Telescope at the alleged Apollo lunar landing sites? It has aimed Hubble at other regions on the moon. It's curious that NASA doesn't target the alleged Apollo lunar landing sites with Hubble.
 Quoting: Thor's Hamster


I've already answered that earlier in this thread at this post.

[link to www.godlikeproductions.com]

In short, the absolute smallest object that the HST can resolve at the distance of the Moon (about 400 million metres) is 200 meters wide. The LM descent stages are only 4 metres wide - 50 times too small be be resolved.

Now either you are too stupid to understand this, or you simply choose not to. I don't really care which.
 Quoting: smartcooky 19042427


(In "Church Lady" voice): "Well isn't that conveeeeeenient..."
Apollo astronauts couldn't have passed through Van Allen's Belt. Van Allen wore suspenders.
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(In "Church Lady" voice): "Well isn't that conveeeeeenient..."
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More ignorant hand-waving on your part

Its not "convenient" you fool, its a design feature.

HST was designed to look at wide-field deep sky objects not narrow field close targets.

When you design a telescope (and I have built a few in my time) you have to take into consideration what it is to be used for. You cannot have the best of both worlds. Either you want high magnification & narrow field so that you can see the balls on a bug (which is what YOU are expecting from HST) or you want low magnification & wide field for observing galaxies an nebulae (which is what the Astronomers who designed it expect from it).

If you try to compromise on design, you will end up harming the performance at both ends if the scale. Trust me, I have learned this the hard way.

Now while HST is looking at the moon, it is only looking at general areas, and its doing so in UV light, looking for evidence of oxygen-bearing minerals such as ilmenite (FeTiO3) which can sometimes show its presence under UV.
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Also, it is very difficult for HST to photgraph the moon, because the moon has to be tracked.

HST is "steered" by using "reaction wheels". These wheels spin one way, and HST counter spins. On board software commands the reaction wheels to spin, accelerating or decelerating as needed to rotate the telescope toward a new target. Once pointed at a target, the reaction wheels are stopped.

However, pointing at the Moon raises problems. The Moon moves among the stars at a rate of about 1/2 a degree per hour as viewed from the Earth. This means that the reaction wheel must be operated continuously in order to keep HST pointing at the moon. The reaction wheels do cause a small amount of vibration, which is detrimental to any photographic results it might obtain.
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Once the Chinese get there (gasp, their goal is to land a man on the moon by 2020, the same year USA wants a lunar base complete) the American's will have already "returned" and set up fake Apollo landing sites to perpetrate the original landing hoax of 1969.
 Quoting: markusmaximus 148742


the moon people are not going to allow a US base. The moon people are mostly yellow people and communicate with the Chinese all the time, the chinese don't need to build anything to get there, they have friends up there already. stop with the disinfo game already.
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Re: NASA - Going to the Moon for REAL this time - so the Chinese don't find out the Apollo landings were faked!
Once the Chinese get there (gasp, their goal is to land a man on the moon by 2020, the same year USA wants a lunar base complete) the American's will have already "returned" and set up fake Apollo landing sites to perpetrate the original landing hoax of 1969.
 Quoting: markusmaximus 148742


the moon people are not going to allow a US base. The moon people are mostly yellow people and communicate with the Chinese all the time, the chinese don't need to build anything to get there, they have friends up there already. stop with the disinfo game already.
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Moon people aye! OK, if you say so!

There's one nut case born every minute. In the minute you were born, there were two in the same minute!
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(In "Church Lady" voice): "Well isn't that conveeeeeenient..."
 Quoting: Thor's Hamster


More ignorant hand-waving on your part

Its not "convenient" you fool, its a design feature.

HST was designed to look at wide-field deep sky objects not narrow field close targets.

When you design a telescope (and I have built a few in my time) you have to take into consideration what it is to be used for. You cannot have the best of both worlds. Either you want high magnification & narrow field so that you can see the balls on a bug (which is what YOU are expecting from HST) or you want low magnification & wide field for observing galaxies an nebulae (which is what the Astronomers who designed it expect from it).

If you try to compromise on design, you will end up harming the performance at both ends if the scale. Trust me, I have learned this the hard way.

Now while HST is looking at the moon, it is only looking at general areas, and its doing so in UV light, looking for evidence of oxygen-bearing minerals such as ilmenite (FeTiO3) which can sometimes show its presence under UV.
 Quoting: smartcooky 19042427


Oh baby! You had me at "balls on a bug".
Apollo astronauts couldn't have passed through Van Allen's Belt. Van Allen wore suspenders.
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Re: NASA - Going to the Moon for REAL this time - so the Chinese don't find out the Apollo landings were faked!
A couple years ago, NASA made headlines by saying they were going to write a book that would finally and definitively put an end to the Apollo lunar landing doubters. It was on the front pages of newspapers, headlines on t.v. and radio news, and on the talk show circuit. Then a funny thing happened. NASA quietly cancelled the project.
 Quoting: Thor's Hamster

CONGRESS cancelled it.
They told NASA not to waste public funds on trying to educate idiots.

But THAT didn't make any headlines.
 Quoting: Thor's Hamster

Blame the journos.
book
 Quoting: Halcyon Dayz, FCD

Oh, really? I suppose you can provide a link for that?
 Quoting: Thor's Hamster

Try James Oberg's site.
He was the writer NASA hired.

If they did then you would just say it's photoshopped, like the shots from the Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24940156

Surely you're not referring to those images of shadows of...something...on the lunar surface? Ya, those were REAL definitive. lol
 Quoting: Thor's Hamster

Case in point.
The energy produced by hoaxie-handwaving could power a small nation.


[link to www.youtube.com] (Best viewd in HD.)
book
 Quoting: Halcyon Dayz, FCD

Regarding the video, I could show a video and post script telling you what things are. Would that necessarily make it true? Absolute garbage.
 Quoting: Thor's Hamster

IOW you just added another generation of conspirators to your fantasy.
How many people are part of the conspiracy?
Everybody but you?

If you claim this material is fake you have the burden of proof.

Why doesn't NASA simply aim the Hubble Space Telescope at the alleged Apollo lunar landing sites? It has aimed Hubble at other regions on the moon. It's curious that NASA doesn't target the alleged Apollo lunar landing sites with Hubble.
 Quoting: Thor's Hamster

1 - That wouldn't produce usefull results, as has been explained to you numerous times.
Your failure to grasp this simple fact just demonstrates that hoaxies are ignorant.
2 - NASA isn't the sole owner of the HST, they would have to convince their partners that it would be a worthwhile use of the HST's very expensive viewing time.
3 - As you just demonstrated it wouldn't convince die-hard denialists, NOTHING WOULD.
It would be a waste of effort.
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