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Why must all modern technology create radio interference?

 
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Why must all modern technology create radio interference?
I prefer to listen to a weak AM radio station for their unique content. It continues to become more difficult due to noise from sources of noise that shouldn't make ANY RF noise at all.
Things like crosswalk signal that make farting noises as the "don't walk" light flashes. Totally obliterates radio for 50 feet. Cars alongside me where the spark plug noise is not suppressed, another 50 feet of interference.
I would have been flunked out of engineering school if any of my designs were so stupid as to make radio interference.
Our FCC is a joke, and if you think this is only an issue for AM radio, you are mistaken, all services that use RF are beginning to suffer from the pollition.
From cable boxes to DSL phone internet, switching power supplies, lamp dimmers, switching mode power amplifiers, DC motor drive controllers, smart meter data transmitters, all these do not follow good engineering practice, and would never have passed FCC part 15 rules in the 1960s, because they are polluting to all wireless services.
Back in the day, some idiots would put solid copper wire spark plug wires on their vehicles and destroy police/ambulance communications for miles. They also got tickets for this when they were caught, which was easily accomplished.

It's like saying a little bit of shit in food doesn't hurt anything, so let's not expect anyone to worry about washing their hands anymore.

I don't expect anything except for it to keep getting worse.
I've had new rental cars that make so much of their own noise that it's impossible to listen to the AM radio AT ALL except with the key in the accessory position.
As an engineer, this enrages me.
A small natural gas leak is NOT OK, a little bit of shit in food is NOT OK, neither is willfully created radio interference.
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05/26/2016 10:49 AM
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Re: Why must all modern technology create radio interference?
if you were an actual engineer, you'd make yourself a nice AM antenna.
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Re: Why must all modern technology create radio interference?
if you were an actual engineer, you'd make yourself a nice AM antenna.
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If you were an actual engineer, you would know that it's not feasible to install a directional medium wave AM antenna on a vehicle.
Even at home, the best that can be done with a directional antenna is to cancel/reject noise in one plane ONLY.

I can whip up a reasonant mw antenna faster than you can change oil in a car.

"Excellent" antennas cannot overcome
amplitude modulation noise.
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05/26/2016 10:59 AM
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Re: Why must all modern technology create radio interference?
It doesn't have to cabled computers don't.
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05/26/2016 11:01 AM
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Re: Why must all modern technology create radio interference?
if you were an actual engineer, you'd make yourself a nice AM antenna.
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If you were an actual engineer, you would know that it's not feasible to install a directional medium wave AM antenna on a vehicle.
Even at home, the best that can be done with a directional antenna is to cancel/reject noise in one plane ONLY.

I can whip up a reasonant mw antenna faster than you can change oil in a car.

"Excellent" antennas cannot overcome
amplitude modulation noise.
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I don't think he meant on a vehicle.
It is the filters and amplifiers that will determine your success.
Although some may be "illegal".
But why is that?
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05/26/2016 11:02 AM
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Re: Why must all modern technology create radio interference?
I prefer to listen to a weak AM radio station for their unique content. It continues to become more difficult due to noise from sources of noise that shouldn't make ANY RF noise at all....

...neither is willfully created radio interference.
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yes, it has gotten out of hand
AM stations you're trying to listen to run up to 50K watts of power
it's much worse on HF (shortwave)

at the source of the problem is the dumbing down of new "engineers" by the 'edukashon instiutions'

all new electrical/electronics "engineers" are taught to do is move a mouse on computer screen
that's literally all they know
they are not taught to think or solve any problems
click and choose from menus of software, drag and drop
boom
new product is out
rf testing ?
who needs it
it's just extra cost
FCC is just a profit center for the political class
there are no capable engineers there anymore
they don't even know how to use the equipment they have

RF spectrum is in mayhem
this of course has very serious re-precautions for everyone's health 24/7 exposure..
but how would they even know...

it's pretty bad out there
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05/26/2016 11:03 AM
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Re: Why must all modern technology create radio interference?
I prefer to listen to a weak AM radio station for their unique content. It continues to become more difficult due to noise from sources of noise that shouldn't make ANY RF noise at all.

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That is complete bullshit.
You just have a shitty antenna and amplifier.
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05/26/2016 11:05 AM
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Re: Why must all modern technology create radio interference?

RF spectrum is in mayhem
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This is just nonsense, its the broadcasting power of the AM which is why it has interference.
No money for little AM = no decent broadcast.
It has nothing to do with interference from other signals.
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05/26/2016 11:07 AM
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Re: Why must all modern technology create radio interference?
In fact FM will die out eventually with DAB+ its nothing to do with interference but the money used to broadcast it.
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05/26/2016 11:10 AM
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Re: Why must all modern technology create radio interference?
I prefer to listen to a weak AM radio station for their unique content. It continues to become more difficult due to noise from sources of noise that shouldn't make ANY RF noise at all.

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That is complete bullshit.
You just have a shitty antenna and amplifier.
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I am using a reasonated fender mounted 31 inch whip antenna, feeding into real MOTOROLA, which actually has a tuned rf amplifier for both AM and FM, unlike modern crap radios that simply feed input directly into a mixer stage with no preselection. My own vehicle's spark plugs and electronics are properly engineered, and DO NOT make any noise in AM reception.
What radio do you prefer over a Motorola? Why do you suppose all public services buy radios from Motorola?
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05/26/2016 11:15 AM
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Re: Why must all modern technology create radio interference?
I am using a reasonated fender mounted 31 inch whip antenna
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Well that is why.
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05/26/2016 11:16 AM
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Re: Why must all modern technology create radio interference?
which actually has a tuned rf amplifier for both AM and FM,
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Well so? That is actually a shitty commercial antenna.
Learn to make your own or fail.
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Re: Why must all modern technology create radio interference?
I am using a reasonated fender mounted 31 inch whip antenna
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Well that is why.
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Probably made in China.

epiclol
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05/26/2016 11:18 AM
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Re: Why must all modern technology create radio interference?
unlike modern crap radios that simply feed input directly into a mixer stage with no preselection.
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"With Amplifier"
How is that crap? When it gives better reception? cruise
Now we know WHY you have bad reception.
Because you refuse to accept advances in technology.
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05/26/2016 11:19 AM
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Re: Why must all modern technology create radio interference?
I am using a reasonated fender mounted 31 inch whip antenna
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Well that is why.
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Probably made in China.

epiclol
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Every transistor you posses is made in either China or Taiwan.
Taiwan being the good shit.
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05/26/2016 11:21 AM
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Re: Why must all modern technology create radio interference?
I am using a reasonated fender mounted 31 inch whip antenna
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Well that is why.
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Probably made in China.

epiclol
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Every transistor you posses is made in either China or Taiwan.
Taiwan being the good shit.
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True, but was refering to the antenna.
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05/26/2016 11:26 AM
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Well that is why.
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Probably made in China.

epiclol
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Every transistor you posses is made in either China or Taiwan.
Taiwan being the good shit.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72268071


True, but was refering to the antenna.
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Yes very easy to make your own, OP probably doesn't even know he can make his own regular FM commercial station antenna by coiling it up to the right width from the right length LOL
He probably doesn't even realize that he could make his own antenna and amplifiers to broadcast his own signal.
Because he "might get in trouble" cruise
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Well that is why.
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Probably made in China.

epiclol
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Every transistor you posses is made in either China or Taiwan.
Taiwan being the good shit.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72268071


True, but was refering to the antenna.
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I built a wave bubble, they work.
Say goodbye to wireless alarms, but get caught using it and you are fucked.
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Re: Why must all modern technology create radio interference?
Sorry, no components are foreign made in this vintage, and the reason most new AM radios are deaf to noise is because they are deaf, period.

A reasonated antenna is what all modern vehicles lack.

It's amazing to hear the ignorance being spouted.

I'll bet the transistors in the radio are all Motorola US manfacture.
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05/26/2016 11:32 AM
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Probably made in China.

epiclol
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Every transistor you posses is made in either China or Taiwan.
Taiwan being the good shit.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72268071


True, but was refering to the antenna.
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Yes very easy to make your own, OP probably doesn't even know he can make his own regular FM commercial station antenna by coiling it up to the right width from the right length LOL
He probably doesn't even realize that he could make his own antenna and amplifiers to broadcast his own signal.
Because he "might get in trouble" cruise
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I designed and built a whole damn transmitter and automated radio station that's been on the air continuously for 20 years with zero failures.
I have made many more antennas than you might imagine.

Not interested in FM much, thank you.
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05/26/2016 11:36 AM
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Re: Why must all modern technology create radio interference?
I can build a jammer easily, but it wouldn't re-engineer a BMW's ignition system as they drive next to me, or add supression capacitors to the circuit board in the trafgic light flasher.
Why bring this up?
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05/26/2016 11:37 AM
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Every transistor you posses is made in either China or Taiwan.
Taiwan being the good shit.
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True, but was refering to the antenna.
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Yes very easy to make your own, OP probably doesn't even know he can make his own regular FM commercial station antenna by coiling it up to the right width from the right length LOL
He probably doesn't even realize that he could make his own antenna and amplifiers to broadcast his own signal.
Because he "might get in trouble" cruise
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I designed and built a whole damn transmitter and automated radio station that's been on the air continuously for 20 years with zero failures.
I have made many more antennas than you might imagine.

Not interested in FM much, thank you.
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No actually I have probably made/built more antennas than you I used to work for RFS aka Alcatel.
I used to build and design and broadcast equipment and filters for both analogue and the new digital broadcast.
All silver plated of course in the lab.
I worked also for Nilsen Electric and built and installed the bumpless power supplies for this.
And all the related antennas all custom jobs thousands of them.
FM is fun though to play with sometimes you must admit? Just for funs? cruise
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05/26/2016 11:40 AM
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This is why the silver price went up, silver tards never knew why.
Because of the new digital transmission equipment.
I was shorting it while they were buying it! cruise
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05/26/2016 11:53 AM
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Re: Why must all modern technology create radio interference?
now you have two other ee's saying you have a shitty antannae.

suck it. aroggant prick.
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05/26/2016 11:55 AM
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now you have two other ee's saying you have a shitty antannae.

suck it. aroggant prick.
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hesright
He probably has a standard tracking A from his boss in his truck, which does "everything" at once, made in chingwah dim sim land! epiclol
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05/26/2016 11:58 AM
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Re: Why must all modern technology create radio interference?
OP make your own antenna, research the right materials, find them, figure out how you have to work the piece.
You can coil them smaller, but will require more amplification and filtering.
You can still get the same size for smaller, but your metals best be top grade, or it will fail and be a waste of time.
Or you can just get a 20 yard antenna on the top of your truck! cruise
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Re: Why must all modern technology create radio interference?
Doesn't anyone GET it?
It not a lack of sensitivity, it's the NOISE created by bad engineering of modern products.
It is impossible to "filter" wideband RF interference.
EVEN IF the frequency being used is in the gigahertz range, digital modulation (with "square" corners) creates wideband rf byproducts fom DC to light. ALL radio, TV, etc. frequencies.
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Re: Why must all modern technology create radio interference?
It not a lack of sensitivity, it's the NOISE created by bad engineering of modern products.

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It simply is factually not, look at it on a SA, you will see.
Its lack of broadcast power.
Not RF interference.
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Re: Why must all modern technology create radio interference?
It is impossible to "filter" wideband RF interference.

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Wtf? No it is not. putin
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Re: Why must all modern technology create radio interference?
It not a lack of sensitivity, it's the NOISE created by bad engineering of modern products.

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It simply is factually not, look at it on a SA, you will see.
Its lack of broadcast power.
Not RF interference.
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I must now ask your age, if you don't understand we are discussing sognal to noise ratio.
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Re: Why must all modern technology create radio interference?
It not a lack of sensitivity, it's the NOISE created by bad engineering of modern products.

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It simply is factually not, look at it on a SA, you will see.
Its lack of broadcast power.
Not RF interference.
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I must now ask your age, if you don't understand we are discussing sognal to noise ratio.
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21 cough cough 40 putin





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