Scientists may have discovered nature's fifth force — dark photons

You are wrong. As stated before, consciousness is measurable now. The progress in the science of consciousness is enormous but it has little to no press.

Linky or stinky

It's like saying we only use 15% of our brain. How do they know?

Well, its an estimate you can make from other things, like the number of usefull posts in any discussion forum on the internet for eaxmple

Junk DNA for example...

Mind IS consciousness.

No. We need another Tesla, not a bunch of charlatans.

A theory as that is the sort of thing which can make a scientist a mad scientist. It's easy to understand how a man could seek order among chaos, or sanity where faced with the crazy. Quantum Entanglement is absolutely unreasonable if you think about it. A particle when entangled with another particle will always respond to the state of the other, instantaneously, regardless of distance? Without dispute, this violates Relativity so thoroughly that its requires it's own Special explanation. Yet how can two contradicting laws both be true? For that matter, how is it that instantaneous communication should be possible? Does this imply distance is an illusion, perhaps a very persistent one? Or is time the very persistent illusion?

We don't exist, nothing is real. On the most fundamental level, all is connected, and all is one. Isn't that the most reasonable explanation? All that we are and all that we know must exist as a single point, a quantum singularity, and any perception beyond that is a result of some form of fluctuation.

Einstein ended up suggesting or directly stating each of these things, on separate occasions. One can clearly see how Spooky Action at a Distance played into it. It is an extremely spooky circumstance. Extremely maddening. I can absolutely understand his inclination to prove to himself the universe isn't quite such a nightmare.

They might as well 'just make it up' if what they say about quantum physics is true. Unless they're just making that up, too.

Perception is the key methinks. Hard to wrap your mind around this, especially if you have to rely on your own perception trying to do so. Some sort of time actually exists. Even if we are always in the now, at some stages of now the sun is up and sometimes its gone.

I think its all some sort of frequency or phasing of different lengths.

Even if we can't understand it, QE exists and has been proven on many different occasions. Maybe there are some other rules on other levels.

Oh and BTW QE works regardless of time.

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Perception indeed, which returns one to philosophical thought experiments. It's difficult to imagine a thing which one's never seen and knows nothing of. Something which is in fact so entirely different than anything we've ever experienced that it would appear absolutely abstract in the most profound sense. Those fond of String Theory will tell you that there's ten dimensions, or eleven if you're really keen. I'm fairly confident that there's not many who will claim that they can envision four dimensions in their mind, and of those few who claim they can, I suspect they aren't being completely honest with the world, or with themselves for that matter.

As far as QE being proven, there have been many things which were proven, until they were disproven. I advocate no inaccuracy in Quantum Entanglement, but I certainly acknowledge the possibility for inaccuracy. Nothing is certain. The progress made by the scientific community shouts it at such a dB that it's surely a zB by now.

We believe much, but I suspect we know little. We're an extremely primitive culture. It was just 200 years ago that we invented the steam locomotive. We've only just barely stepped out from the cave. Surely we know little.

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To envision the fourth dimension, here is a little thought experiment.

The zero dimension is only dots.

The first dimension is dots and lines and dots on a line.

The second would be planes with shapes like circles and squares made from line and dots in different forms.

Same applies for the 3rd dimension, its bodies made from shapes. Balls and dices. from circles and lines in different forms.

So the 4th dimension would consist of many 3rd dimensions in different forms.

This could be why and how different timelines could exist.
But as we are dots who can't see the shapes and bodies they could potentially form and be a part of, we can't actually see it, yet might be a part of it.

This is not science. This is magic fairy dust, unobtainium, handwavium, to make their flawed mathematical models work out.

This is the opposite of science, trying to make observations fit the theory instead of vice versa.

What makes you think someone didn't...just because you haven't been informed of it's progress....especially if it produced near FREE energy

photons are two electrons which alter their temporal location by moving one plank distance and one plank time alternating between the future and the present. While one is locked in the present the other is in the future. The dark photon they detected is when the photon hits the strip it streatches the electron orbits unlocking the pair which prevents the electrons from being able to temporal locate.
This bring both electrons into the present and making the appearance of an extra collision.

get rid of your puter then which was developed following scientific laws.

I don't recall seeing any valid argument against the subject just attacks directed at scientific process. As someone who has over 20 years of scientific research behind them you may want to reconsider your askew observation. Fag.

Dark matters a load of bollocks,what they are seeing is our limited interaction with the nearest dimension.
Thats why its evident over galactic scales.

You have been on here long enough to know how the GLP Taliban think by now. To them science is hilarious because their concept of how knowledge is acquired is entirely based on their religious education. To summarise:

All knowledge was written down in a big dusty leather-bound book about 3000 years ago by bronze age Arab goat botherers.

This knowledge is in its final authoritative version.

To question or revise this knowledge deserves to be punished with, at least, burning at the stake if not worse.

All that a person need to do to acquire knowledge of anything is simply to study the big dusty book.

There won't be any other books, that's the only one, it has all the answers.

So to the Taliban it's hilarious that Aristotle didn't just write down everything, Maxwell's equations, Einstein field equations, Schrödinger's wave equation and everything else 2000 years ago so scientists just need refer to the book to find out anything they need.

It's also hilarious to them that anyone could come with a better theory to supplant an existing theory, that's heresy.

Finally the idea that an unexpected result could prompt scientists to come up with one or more hypotheses to explain it is also laughable to them, after all Aristotle wrote down everything there ever was to know in the big dusty book.

So blame the American education system or televangelists or cult thinking but don't be surprised by this attitude on GLP.

 

Nobody forces you illiterate halfwits to read this stuff, you know.

If you get so aggravated by reading about what people smarter than you are doing and talking about, don't fucking read it.

Entanglement can also be explained via interaction with the nearest un observable dimension.

From our view point the two seem to act in unison over any distance but if the two are also connected via an alternative dimension you could in theory invent any means to this.

The irony.

Consciousness is the only thing we can repeatedly prove exists. And we can measure it within certain definitions.

Meanwhile, scientists can't prove gravity or gravitational force. It's still a theory.

The "experts" have been wrong and needed to backtrack so many times.

They make up formulas and new theories constantly to modify or support prior theories. There are non-stop wars between dozens of groups who believe different things. The only theories that get stamped "scientific fact" are the ones approved of by the Royal society. Everyone else is ridiculed or dismissed. (Climate change is a good example)

All their work is based on one assumption....and that is that all things can be explained without any mysterious intervention from invisible forces. Namely...that there's no creator God.

The irony is that the majority of their claims are based on assumptions and faith in invisible forces.

How can we prove anything they tell us? We have to believe them as they are now set up to be the authority on all things "scientific." And we're supposed to believe them even though they've been wrong and still can't prove half their theories.

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Hundreds of scientists?. You know hundreds?


First of all... Over the years and across counties, there have been literally millions of scientists. Which makes your tiny experience useless.

Why do people keep thinking their tiny experience makes them experts on everything?

Secondly...We meet people everyday who think they're better than everyone else..thinking they're godlike. Tons of those people here on glp. All of them thinking they know more than everyone else ...all because they have one experience they think makes them an expert,

(Ahem...)

And lastly, You realize that not all scientists work in the same field or have the same theories? So even your hundreds of scientist friends don't even come close to representing the different experiments, theories and projects going on out there. Like the scientists whose job it is to make new perfumes, or rummage through cow manure, or to measure weather patterns.

See...you're not an expert on how all those scientists feel about their superiority complexes.

You say they don't think they're godlike...yet you're acting like you are,

All scientists clearly aren't doing the same thing...and therefore, on the surface, not all scientists are responsible for the theory of evolution being forced on society. Yet all scientists have to believe in the theory in order to work as a scientist, whether by choice or by force.

So yes, indirectly, scientists are forcing their beliefs on society at a more foundational level than just govt politics. Which proves that scientists are not able to independently think for themselves. They're be to accept those foundational assumptions.

You're one of the most ignorant people on here.

Do you mean that it would still work if time did not exist, does not depend on our perception of time to work, or doesn't care what the chronological frame of reference is?

We speak different languages, you and I, and there is no Rosetta stone.

Every time some anomalous experimental result comes in, they invent a new particle to explain it.

It's the physicists version of "God did it".

It explains everything, and therefore explains nothing.