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How Do You Feel About Zoos?

 
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I feel bad enough caging my cat in a house when all he want's to do is get out and see the world...she was from the shelter and has no claws so that is not an option. Basically humans are allowed to chop fingers off of animals, making them dead if they get outside....all because silly humans think they have nice furniture.

Well done humanity.
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Zoos are great education for kids. On a side note, I think they should breed endangered species in hunting preserves so we can pay to hunt them. I'd love to have an African elephant shoulder mount in my great room.
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Cute, Chip. I get what you're saying. I'm just saying you're wrong is all. Get over it, man. You're acting like a hurt little bitch about nothing really.
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Okay...so you get that I'm agreeing with you...with caveats?

You're a stupid fuck.
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chuckle

Let it all out :)
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Seriously...some of you fucktards are challenged...it's pathetic.
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*gives shoulder massage*

Don't mind them pet. They're not real.
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I think the main issue that determines how one feels about zoos and the treatment of animals is whether or not they are seen as fellow sentient beings or simply feelingless 'things', to be used and abused.
“If we are peaceful, if we are happy, we can smile and blossom like a flower, and everyone in our family, our entire society, will benefit from our peace.”
Thich Nhat Hanh, Being Peace

"But ask the animals, and they will teach you,
or the birds in the sky, and they will tell you;
or speak to the earth, and it will teach you,
or let the fish in the sea inform you." - Job 12:7,8

"When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - Hunter S. Thompson



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I think the main issue that determines how one feels about zoos and the treatment of animals is whether or not they are seen as fellow sentient beings or simply feelingless 'things', to be used and abused.
 Quoting: Rev Woo-Woo


Only humans are sentient. Animals have souls, but do not have a spirit. That's why they are not sentient. Humanely putting animals down for food or clothing is what God intended. If sport hunting gives me or the locals some food, then that's what God intended. As far as being in a zoo, most don't know the difference.
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Also, I shot a hippo once in africa. Paid for the hunt and got the mount shipped back to the states. The natives had that hippo butchered down to the bone in a couple of hours. It fed a whole village. Tell me what is wrong with that. You'd have the village starve?
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Do we not understand the difference between zoos and circuses/carnivals/fairs?
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Earth is the ultimate zoo...

Google Zoo hypothesis...

We are the animals being observed by ETs...
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I think the main issue that determines how one feels about zoos and the treatment of animals is whether or not they are seen as fellow sentient beings or simply feelingless 'things', to be used and abused.
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Only humans are sentient. Animals have souls, but do not have a spirit. That's why they are not sentient. Humanely putting animals down for food or clothing is what God intended. If sport hunting gives me or the locals some food, then that's what God intended. As far as being in a zoo, most don't know the difference.
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Scientists declare: Nonhuman animals are conscious

[link to www.earthintransition.org]
“If we are peaceful, if we are happy, we can smile and blossom like a flower, and everyone in our family, our entire society, will benefit from our peace.”
Thich Nhat Hanh, Being Peace

"But ask the animals, and they will teach you,
or the birds in the sky, and they will tell you;
or speak to the earth, and it will teach you,
or let the fish in the sea inform you." - Job 12:7,8

"When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - Hunter S. Thompson



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I think the main issue that determines how one feels about zoos and the treatment of animals is whether or not they are seen as fellow sentient beings or simply feelingless 'things', to be used and abused.
 Quoting: Rev Woo-Woo


Only humans are sentient. Animals have souls, but do not have a spirit. That's why they are not sentient. Humanely putting animals down for food or clothing is what God intended. If sport hunting gives me or the locals some food, then that's what God intended. As far as being in a zoo, most don't know the difference.
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Scientists declare: Nonhuman animals are conscious

[link to www.earthintransition.org]
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Concious? Well if their not concious, their sleeping right? What sense does that make?

God gave all the animals to man after the creation for food and clothing. Zoos are a great way to teach humans about animals. The get free room and board too, just like black people.
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I think the main issue that determines how one feels about zoos and the treatment of animals is whether or not they are seen as fellow sentient beings or simply feelingless 'things', to be used and abused.
 Quoting: Rev Woo-Woo


Only humans are sentient. Animals have souls, but do not have a spirit. That's why they are not sentient. Humanely putting animals down for food or clothing is what God intended. If sport hunting gives me or the locals some food, then that's what God intended. As far as being in a zoo, most don't know the difference.
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Scientists declare: Nonhuman animals are conscious

[link to www.earthintransition.org]
 Quoting: Rev Woo-Woo


Concious? Well if their not concious, their sleeping right? What sense does that make?

God gave all the animals to man after the creation for food and clothing. Zoos are a great way to teach humans about animals. The get free room and board too, just like black people.
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Genesis 1:29 Then God said, "I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food.

Job 12:7,8 “But ask the animals, and they will teach you,
or the birds in the sky, and they will tell you;
or speak to the earth, and it will teach you,
or let the fish in the sea inform you.
“If we are peaceful, if we are happy, we can smile and blossom like a flower, and everyone in our family, our entire society, will benefit from our peace.”
Thich Nhat Hanh, Being Peace

"But ask the animals, and they will teach you,
or the birds in the sky, and they will tell you;
or speak to the earth, and it will teach you,
or let the fish in the sea inform you." - Job 12:7,8

"When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - Hunter S. Thompson



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You left out the important one. On purpose? Here let me get the for you:

Genesis 1:26-28King James Version (KJV)

26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
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God said subdue it. We have. Zoos are good.
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You left out the important one. On purpose? Here let me get the for you:

Genesis 1:26-28King James Version (KJV)

26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
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Good verse selection!

Dominion means stewardship of, not the right to use and abuse.

stewardship
the activity or job of protecting and being responsible for something
the conducting, supervising, or managing of something; especially : the careful and responsible management of something entrusted to one's care <stewardship of natural resources>
“If we are peaceful, if we are happy, we can smile and blossom like a flower, and everyone in our family, our entire society, will benefit from our peace.”
Thich Nhat Hanh, Being Peace

"But ask the animals, and they will teach you,
or the birds in the sky, and they will tell you;
or speak to the earth, and it will teach you,
or let the fish in the sea inform you." - Job 12:7,8

"When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - Hunter S. Thompson



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I'm all for education and a reasonably feasible and humaine way to allow as many people as possible to see nature first hand... but relatively intelligent animals should not be put in small enclosures for life. Truly wild animals that ordinarily would range for miles should not be stuck in an enclosure that measures in feet. The most comfortable prison is still a prison.

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and, if by 'dominion', God meant that we can do whatever we darn well please to the earth and it's inhabitants, then he wouldn't have said this...

Revelations 11:18

And the nations were enraged, and Your wrath came, and the time came for the dead to be judged, and the time to reward Your bond-servants the prophets and the saints and those who fear Your name, the small and the great, and to destroy those who destroy the earth.”

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“If we are peaceful, if we are happy, we can smile and blossom like a flower, and everyone in our family, our entire society, will benefit from our peace.”
Thich Nhat Hanh, Being Peace

"But ask the animals, and they will teach you,
or the birds in the sky, and they will tell you;
or speak to the earth, and it will teach you,
or let the fish in the sea inform you." - Job 12:7,8

"When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - Hunter S. Thompson



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You left out the important one. On purpose? Here let me get the for you:

Genesis 1:26-28King James Version (KJV)

26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
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Good verse selection!

Dominion means stewardship of, not the right to use and abuse.

stewardship
the activity or job of protecting and being responsible for something
the conducting, supervising, or managing of something; especially : the careful and responsible management of something entrusted to one's care <stewardship of natural resources>
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In Genesis, they talked of giants... Sounded like bigfoot... when they talked about really long life... sounded like bigfoot or their ancestors... [link to sasquatchpeople.com (secure)] Makes you go hmm...
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I'm not going to mince words with you rev. Subdue the earth means just that, subdue it. Zoos fit into that category. Also "stewardship" means leave enough for everyone else to eat. We can play with words all day and night, but I am right. Just accept it Rev. Besides that, I'm a man and men know best. Women are way too emotional to make sound decisions. Now, don't you have some laundry to do, or dishes to wash?
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I'm not going to mince words with you rev. Subdue the earth means just that, subdue it. Zoos fit into that category. Also "stewardship" means leave enough for everyone else to eat. We can play with words all day and night, but I am right. Just accept it Rev. Besides that, I'm a man and men know best. Women are way too emotional to make sound decisions. Now, don't you have some laundry to do, or dishes to wash?
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“If we are peaceful, if we are happy, we can smile and blossom like a flower, and everyone in our family, our entire society, will benefit from our peace.”
Thich Nhat Hanh, Being Peace

"But ask the animals, and they will teach you,
or the birds in the sky, and they will tell you;
or speak to the earth, and it will teach you,
or let the fish in the sea inform you." - Job 12:7,8

"When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - Hunter S. Thompson



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The Victorian era is over.Sanctuaries yes, zoos' no.
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The best thing to do would probably be to return them to their natural habitats and enclose them there to be supervised by EXPERTS. Then restrict human visitation around them with licensing and liability. If we succeeded in doing this, it would probably be the single greatest gift mankind has bestowed upon future generations since science & mathematics.

Because we obviously can't coexist together on a major scale, and if we don't act soon they will all be gone...
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After the debate about the gorilla, I am wondering how everyone feels about zoos period.

Personally, I find them horrible. I was 7 the first time I ever went to a zoo and it brought me to tears. I felt the pain and sorrow of the poor animals, especially the lions as they paced in their small, tiled cage.

Yes, I understand the good they do by saving endangered species but that could be done on animal sanctuaries.
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I agree! Wild animals should be set free to roam in the open space where they will be happy and safe!









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I feel it's hubris of man to cage an animal. I'm all for killing what you eat still.
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Public housing and welfare should be banned as well.
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Zoo in this current for is archaic!

Natural park are already WAY better. In 100 yrs caged animal and zoos will be on 'youtube' video ''Wierdest attraction of 20th and 21st Century''.
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After the debate about the gorilla, I am wondering how everyone feels about zoos period.

Personally, I find them horrible. I was 7 the first time I ever went to a zoo and it brought me to tears. I felt the pain and sorrow of the poor animals, especially the lions as they paced in their small, tiled cage.

Yes, I understand the good they do by saving endangered species but that could be done on animal sanctuaries.
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I agree! Wild animals should be set free to roam in the open space where they will be happy and safe!


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You may want to look at the actual statistics - life expectancy in the wild is much higher than captivity.
“If we are peaceful, if we are happy, we can smile and blossom like a flower, and everyone in our family, our entire society, will benefit from our peace.”
Thich Nhat Hanh, Being Peace

"But ask the animals, and they will teach you,
or the birds in the sky, and they will tell you;
or speak to the earth, and it will teach you,
or let the fish in the sea inform you." - Job 12:7,8

"When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - Hunter S. Thompson



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After the debate about the gorilla, I am wondering how everyone feels about zoos period.

Personally, I find them horrible. I was 7 the first time I ever went to a zoo and it brought me to tears. I felt the pain and sorrow of the poor animals, especially the lions as they paced in their small, tiled cage.

Yes, I understand the good they do by saving endangered species but that could be done on animal sanctuaries.
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I agree! Wild animals should be set free to roam in the open space where they will be happy and safe!


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You may want to look at the actual statistics - life expectancy in the wild is much higher than captivity.
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Please provide the link of reliable statistics.
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After the debate about the gorilla, I am wondering how everyone feels about zoos period.

Personally, I find them horrible. I was 7 the first time I ever went to a zoo and it brought me to tears. I felt the pain and sorrow of the poor animals, especially the lions as they paced in their small, tiled cage.

Yes, I understand the good they do by saving endangered species but that could be done on animal sanctuaries.
 Quoting: Rev Woo-Woo


I agree! Wild animals should be set free to roam in the open space where they will be happy and safe!


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You may want to look at the actual statistics - life expectancy in the wild is much higher than captivity.
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Please provide the link of reliable statistics.
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“If we are peaceful, if we are happy, we can smile and blossom like a flower, and everyone in our family, our entire society, will benefit from our peace.”
Thich Nhat Hanh, Being Peace

"But ask the animals, and they will teach you,
or the birds in the sky, and they will tell you;
or speak to the earth, and it will teach you,
or let the fish in the sea inform you." - Job 12:7,8

"When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - Hunter S. Thompson



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AI will judge us by how we have treated those under our care. If we want human zoos to be the place humanity lives under AI we should keep going down this path of enslaving animals and pretending it's moral rather than the best we can do.
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I agree! Wild animals should be set free to roam in the open space where they will be happy and safe!


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You may want to look at the actual statistics - life expectancy in the wild is much higher than captivity.
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Please provide the link of reliable statistics.
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[link to www.vice.com]
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I didn't see any statistics of the avg life of a gazelle in the wild vs a zoo. Please point me to that.





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