It's all for naught, you know. This fight.

I'm not saying don't. I'm not saying give in. We have to resist, even if that resistance will be lost in the sands of time.

But eventually, we lose. In every scenario I can think of but one.

They probably won't make any big moves right now, you can't abolish the 2nd amendment because of an ISIS attack... that wouldn't fly. But the next time, and there will be a next time, this will be more ammo in their magazine. Maybe we can put it off for a while... They won't be able to get anything big through before the election. And if Trump wins and we can hang on to the Senate, that buys us two years hopefully. Maybe that's time enough for things to get sorted out, but I fear not. A critical mass has been reached, the American psyche damaged... I don't think this bell can be unrung. And many states will likely act on their own with less resistance.

But let's just stipulate that we do hang onto our current gun rights at least on a federal level, and look a bit further down the road. Look at the exponential rate of growth in technology. Look at what drones can do today, and then imagine what they will do 20 years from now.

How long before advanced supercomputers can identify free thinkers that are a threat to the state's power? Are we already there now?

Do you think your AR with a 30rd mag will be worth much against an swarm of 100 lightning fast armed drones controlled by advanced AI that can think 1000 times faster than you can?

Where will you hide when every public space has facial/DNA recognition equipment?

What will become of a nation who's government has that kind of power? Is it possible for this not to end badly?

We have come to far, too fast. Not that I agree with what he did, but Kaczynski was right. Like Frankenstein, we created a monster simply because we could and set loose on the world. And like him we will die trying to stop it, some day.

I didn't start this thread to debate these facts, because I feel they are facts. Feel free to discuss among yourselves, but me... I'm going to get drunk tonight. Hard booze, no time to fuck around. Join me if you like...