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Anonymous Coward User ID: 24296326 United States 06/16/2016 01:19 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24296326 Right, makes perfect sense... Where was the damage to their boots, lander, equipment, rover, etc... More BS [link to www.sciencedaily.com (secure)] Hilariuos That picture shows zero dust. except all the dust on his gloves and lower legs No wind. The only time the flag moved was when it or the pole was touched by the astronauts. The real issue with dust is the lander would've sank into the moon, after thousands of years of collecting fine, flour-like dust, the lander would not have left an imprint a few inches thick. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24296326 Please Because you always sink to your hips in the sand at the beach? Oh wait, you don't. engineers aren't as stupid as you seem to think they are. Thanks halcyon 2.0 This guy just compared sand on a beach to dust on the moon.. Where to begin with this |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 24296326 United States 06/16/2016 01:20 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Rockets actually don't work in a vacuum. It is proven mathematically. Despite what myth busters says, they didn't tell us the pressure reading on their gauge throughout the whole experiment in the vacuum chamber. I call onto myth busers to perform the experiment on live tv in front of a live audience. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 53485096 then show this supposed proof mathematically. A rocket doesn't depend on an external atmosphere to push against. If you really believe it isn't possible, then please explain how the STEREO probes got where they are. They are positioned to see the back side of the Sun and have imaged sunspots BEFORE they were visible to Earth. It has already been proven many times on glp. Yeah, right. You still have to upload you video of verifying nasa's predictions of sunspots Quoting: Anonymous Coward 40359245 never claimed to have a video. Nice attempt at a strawman though. The evidence is out there. I'm not going to waste my time finding it for you. Too late |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 65695781 United States 06/16/2016 08:10 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24296326 except all the dust on his gloves and lower legs No wind. The only time the flag moved was when it or the pole was touched by the astronauts. The real issue with dust is the lander would've sank into the moon, after thousands of years of collecting fine, flour-like dust, the lander would not have left an imprint a few inches thick. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24296326 Please Because you always sink to your hips in the sand at the beach? Oh wait, you don't. engineers aren't as stupid as you seem to think they are. Thanks halcyon 2.0 This guy just compared sand on a beach to dust on the moon.. Where to begin with this it is similar. The main difference is that Moon dust has jagged edges and would prevent sinking even more. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 57453588 Canada 06/17/2016 05:43 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | [link to lessons.chemistnate.com] If external pressure is 0 like in the vacuum of space, the work required to deflate the balloon and displace the air is 0. If the work is 0, the force is 0 and therefore the opposite and equal force is 0 as per Newton's third law. It took 0 force to push the air out of the balloons. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 57453588 Canada 06/17/2016 05:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Rockets actually don't work in a vacuum. It is proven mathematically. Despite what myth busters says, they didn't tell us the pressure reading on their gauge throughout the whole experiment in the vacuum chamber. I call onto myth busers to perform the experiment on live tv in front of a live audience. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 53485096 then show this supposed proof mathematically. A rocket doesn't depend on an external atmosphere to push against. If you really believe it isn't possible, then please explain how the STEREO probes got where they are. They are positioned to see the back side of the Sun and have imaged sunspots BEFORE they were visible to Earth. It has already been proven many times on glp. Yeah, right. You still have to upload you video of verifying nasa's predictions of sunspots Quoting: Anonymous Coward 40359245 never claimed to have a video. Nice attempt at a strawman though. The evidence is out there. I'm not going to waste my time finding it for you. Mathematically proven again as above. Where is your stereo proof? |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 71912501 United States 06/18/2016 03:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | [link to lessons.chemistnate.com] Quoting: Anonymous Coward 57453588 If external pressure is 0 like in the vacuum of space, the work required to deflate the balloon and displace the air is 0. If the work is 0, the force is 0 and therefore the opposite and equal force is 0 as per Newton's third law. It took 0 force to push the air out of the balloons. That equation applies to a closed system and is used when compressing a balloon when nothing is being released. In short, you've proven nothing. You're using the wrong equation in the wrong way. gas is not a magical ethereal substance that instantly vanishes in a vacuum, but a collection of individual molecules or atoms, each of which behaves just like a tiny solid object. It keeps going in the same direction at the same velocity until it hits either another gas molecule or the walls of the rocket engine. Since they're all going in random directions to start, the only way to get most of them to leave the rocket through the nozzle is to let them bounce repeatedly off the inside walls and each other until they finally go in the right direction and leave. It's those bounces -- otherwise known as gas pressure -- that impart(s) thrust. Most of them cancel each other, but that very last bounce is the one that does nearly all the work that molecule will do for us. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 72371994 Australia 06/18/2016 03:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 'man' does not go backwards in history. the 'greatest achievement' in mankind back then should have by now lead to return trips to the moon in 2016. not to mention some kind of station/base there that serves a platform for further space travel as well as a live video link up to said base for general public on earth. look how much technology has progressed on earth since we achieved the greatest achievement. we can pull information out of the air now ffs. so that leads me to believe: A) we went there and still do in a secret space program B) we were told by something to not go back and thus havnt. those are the only two possible answers. thought experiment: an explorer returns from an unimaginable foreign land and the king declares it the greatest achievement in the civilisation's history and there is a big banquet and the explorer is knighted. what happens after that? do they go back there? or do they just go back to their lives and forget said land exists? |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 72371994 Australia 06/18/2016 04:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | but back then, its yeah send up dudes all the way to the moon and see what happens... surely back then going to space was just a bunch if reckoning? as in, 'yeah i reckon this will get there'. thats basically it. a whole bunch of reckoning.... but given the 'reckoning' got you there by pure luck, you would have to go back. its nonsensical not to. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 40684897 Canada 06/18/2016 04:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | [link to lessons.chemistnate.com] Quoting: Anonymous Coward 57453588 If external pressure is 0 like in the vacuum of space, the work required to deflate the balloon and displace the air is 0. If the work is 0, the force is 0 and therefore the opposite and equal force is 0 as per Newton's third law. It took 0 force to push the air out of the balloons. That equation applies to a closed system and is used when compressing a balloon when nothing is being released. In short, you've proven nothing. You're using the wrong equation in the wrong way. gas is not a magical ethereal substance that instantly vanishes in a vacuum, but a collection of individual molecules or atoms, each of which behaves just like a tiny solid object. It keeps going in the same direction at the same velocity until it hits either another gas molecule or the walls of the rocket engine. Since they're all going in random directions to start, the only way to get most of them to leave the rocket through the nozzle is to let them bounce repeatedly off the inside walls and each other until they finally go in the right direction and leave. It's those bounces -- otherwise known as gas pressure -- that impart(s) thrust. Most of them cancel each other, but that very last bounce is the one that does nearly all the work that molecule will do for us. The balloon is not in a closed system but the equation is still used. Nowhere is the website does it say closed system. In fact the balloon is interacting with the atmosphere. You have nothing so you just keep repeating closed system and hope people will believe you |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 71912501 United States 06/18/2016 04:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | [link to lessons.chemistnate.com] Quoting: Anonymous Coward 57453588 If external pressure is 0 like in the vacuum of space, the work required to deflate the balloon and displace the air is 0. If the work is 0, the force is 0 and therefore the opposite and equal force is 0 as per Newton's third law. It took 0 force to push the air out of the balloons. That equation applies to a closed system and is used when compressing a balloon when nothing is being released. In short, you've proven nothing. You're using the wrong equation in the wrong way. gas is not a magical ethereal substance that instantly vanishes in a vacuum, but a collection of individual molecules or atoms, each of which behaves just like a tiny solid object. It keeps going in the same direction at the same velocity until it hits either another gas molecule or the walls of the rocket engine. Since they're all going in random directions to start, the only way to get most of them to leave the rocket through the nozzle is to let them bounce repeatedly off the inside walls and each other until they finally go in the right direction and leave. It's those bounces -- otherwise known as gas pressure -- that impart(s) thrust. Most of them cancel each other, but that very last bounce is the one that does nearly all the work that molecule will do for us. The balloon is not in a closed system but the equation is still used. Nowhere is the website does it say closed system. In fact the balloon is interacting with the atmosphere. You have nothing so you just keep repeating closed system and hope people will believe you It is not expelling air. You used the equation wrong and you ignored the rest of the post. Rockets work in space whether you understand it or not. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 71912501 United States 06/18/2016 04:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | [link to lessons.chemistnate.com] Quoting: Anonymous Coward 57453588 If external pressure is 0 like in the vacuum of space, the work required to deflate the balloon and displace the air is 0. If the work is 0, the force is 0 and therefore the opposite and equal force is 0 as per Newton's third law. It took 0 force to push the air out of the balloons. That equation applies to a closed system and is used when compressing a balloon when nothing is being released. In short, you've proven nothing. You're using the wrong equation in the wrong way. gas is not a magical ethereal substance that instantly vanishes in a vacuum, but a collection of individual molecules or atoms, each of which behaves just like a tiny solid object. It keeps going in the same direction at the same velocity until it hits either another gas molecule or the walls of the rocket engine. Since they're all going in random directions to start, the only way to get most of them to leave the rocket through the nozzle is to let them bounce repeatedly off the inside walls and each other until they finally go in the right direction and leave. It's those bounces -- otherwise known as gas pressure -- that impart(s) thrust. Most of them cancel each other, but that very last bounce is the one that does nearly all the work that molecule will do for us. The balloon is not in a closed system but the equation is still used. Nowhere is the website does it say closed system. In fact the balloon is interacting with the atmosphere. You have nothing so you just keep repeating closed system and hope people will believe you It is not expelling air. You used the equation wrong and you ignored the rest of the post. Rockets work in space whether you understand it or not. If the balloon was expelling air then there would be no talk of compressing the air in the balloon. It is being compressed because the volume decrease while the amount of gas inside does not. |
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Halcyon Dayz, FCD User ID: 68914848 Netherlands 06/19/2016 06:19 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | For some reason many people seem to believe that Apollo happened because there was a great desire and/or need to go to the Moon. It certainly wasn't for the vast majority of the people who paid for it. It was about winning the Space Race, to show to the world that the USA was in every respect superior to the Soviet Union. To show that it had what it took to defend the West and thus deserved to be the leader of the Free World. It was a battle in the Cold War, one of the only three or four existential wars in US history. Please explain the Late Bronze Age collapse and the Middle Ages. the 'greatest achievement' in mankind back then should have by now lead to return trips to the moon in 2016. Quoting: Ozzie Coward 72371994 The 'Greatest Achievement' of Egyptian Civilization back then should by now have lead to the construction of 5 mile high pyramids. It's been 43 years since Apollo 17. It took 45 years for humans to return to the South Pole. And they didn't return by walking there. It took 52 years for a human to return to the bottom of the Marianas Trench. Get some perspective. Going to the Moon is much, much harder. look how much technology has progressed on earth since we achieved the greatest achievement. we can pull information out of the air now ffs. Quoting: Ozzie Coward 72371994 Pray tell, how much rocket-thrust does IT-technology produce? Or, IOW, how many millimetres does a megabyte get me closer to the Moon? so that leads me to believe: Quoting: Ozzie Coward 72371994 A) we went there and still do in a secret space program B) we were told by something to not go back and thus havnt. those are the only two possible answers. How unimaginative and pedestrian. The simple notion of politicians saying "Meh, I can think of better uses for that all that money (in my own district) now that we have won the Space Race" didn't cross your mind? (Search Terms of the Day: William Proxmire, Walter Mondale.) Or the thousands of other scenarios someone at least a bit cognisant of the complexities of reality and human behaviour might have come up with? Reality is not binary, there are a zillion shades of grey. Complaining that OTHER PEOPLE should have spend not-your-money on stuff YOU want, rather than what THEY WANT sounds rather childish. We currently don't have SSTs either, is that a conspiracy too? thought experiment: an explorer returns from an unimaginable foreign land and the king declares it the greatest achievement in the civilisation's history and there is a big banquet and the explorer is knighted. what happens after that? do they go back there? or do they just go back to their lives and forget said land exists? Quoting: Ozzie Coward 72371994 You want to compare GOING TO THE MOON with crossing the ocean in wooden boats? Wooden boats get you to a land of riches: a place with air, water, food, wood, slaves; all you ever going to need to build a civilisation. Wooden boats don't require you to take along fuel or air, they don't cost $200,000,000 per tonne of cargo, etc, etc. Because there wasn't a fucking thing there that we needed, other than proving we could get there. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4999621 We have new technologies now. Let's go back. Who is "we"? We have trouble finding a mere billion Euro to plug the holes in an already underfunded healthcare budget and you want to go to the Moon? As a thought exercise: compare the cost of launching 1,000 kg of cargo into Low Earth Orbit in 1973 and 2016. Adjust for inflation. Reaching for the sky makes you taller. Hi! My name is Halcyon Dayz and I'm addicted to morans. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 14687005 Australia 06/19/2016 08:17 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | For some reason many people seem to believe that Apollo happened because there was a great desire and/or need to go to the Moon. Quoting: Halcyon Dayz, FCD It certainly wasn't for the vast majority of the people who paid for it. It was about winning the Space Race, to show to the world that the USA was in every respect superior to the Soviet Union. To show that it had what it took to defend the West and thus deserved to be the leader of the Free World. It was a battle in the Cold War, one of the only three or four existential wars in US history. Please explain the Late Bronze Age collapse and the Middle Ages. the 'greatest achievement' in mankind back then should have by now lead to return trips to the moon in 2016. Quoting: Ozzie Coward 72371994 The 'Greatest Achievement' of Egyptian Civilization back then should by now have lead to the construction of 5 mile high pyramids. It's been 43 years since Apollo 17. It took 45 years for humans to return to the South Pole. And they didn't return by walking there. It took 52 years for a human to return to the bottom of the Marianas Trench. Get some perspective. Going to the Moon is much, much harder. look how much technology has progressed on earth since we achieved the greatest achievement. we can pull information out of the air now ffs. Quoting: Ozzie Coward 72371994 Pray tell, how much rocket-thrust does IT-technology produce? Or, IOW, how many millimetres does a megabyte get me closer to the Moon? so that leads me to believe: Quoting: Ozzie Coward 72371994 A) we went there and still do in a secret space program B) we were told by something to not go back and thus havnt. those are the only two possible answers. How unimaginative and pedestrian. The simple notion of politicians saying "Meh, I can think of better uses for that all that money (in my own district) now that we have won the Space Race" didn't cross your mind? (Search Terms of the Day: William Proxmire, Walter Mondale.) Or the thousands of other scenarios someone at least a bit cognisant of the complexities of reality and human behaviour might have come up with? Reality is not binary, there are a zillion shades of grey. Complaining that OTHER PEOPLE should have spend not-your-money on stuff YOU want, rather than what THEY WANT sounds rather childish. We currently don't have SSTs either, is that a conspiracy too? thought experiment: an explorer returns from an unimaginable foreign land and the king declares it the greatest achievement in the civilisation's history and there is a big banquet and the explorer is knighted. what happens after that? do they go back there? or do they just go back to their lives and forget said land exists? Quoting: Ozzie Coward 72371994 You want to compare GOING TO THE MOON with crossing the ocean in wooden boats? Wooden boats get you to a land of riches: a place with air, water, food, wood, slaves; all you ever going to need to build a civilisation. Wooden boats don't require you to take along fuel or air, they don't cost $200,000,000 per tonne of cargo, etc, etc. Because there wasn't a fucking thing there that we needed, other than proving we could get there. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4999621 We have new technologies now. Let's go back. Who is "we"? We have trouble finding a mere billion Euro to plug the holes in an already underfunded healthcare budget and you want to go to the Moon? As a thought exercise: compare the cost of launching 1,000 kg of cargo into Low Earth Orbit in 1973 and 2016. Adjust for inflation. Guys, this is a bot. No use talking to it. Lol. |
Halcyon Dayz, FCD User ID: 68914848 Netherlands 06/19/2016 02:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | For some reason many people seem to believe that Apollo happened because there was a great desire and/or need to go to the Moon. Quoting: Halcyon Dayz, FCD It certainly wasn't for the vast majority of the people who paid for it. It was about winning the Space Race, to show to the world that the USA was in every respect superior to the Soviet Union. To show that it had what it took to defend the West and thus deserved to be the leader of the Free World. It was a battle in the Cold War, one of the only three or four existential wars in US history. Please explain the Late Bronze Age collapse and the Middle Ages. the 'greatest achievement' in mankind back then should have by now lead to return trips to the moon in 2016. Quoting: Ozzie Coward 72371994 The 'Greatest Achievement' of Egyptian Civilization back then should by now have lead to the construction of 5 mile high pyramids. It's been 43 years since Apollo 17. It took 45 years for humans to return to the South Pole. And they didn't return by walking there. It took 52 years for a human to return to the bottom of the Marianas Trench. Get some perspective. Going to the Moon is much, much harder. look how much technology has progressed on earth since we achieved the greatest achievement. we can pull information out of the air now ffs. Quoting: Ozzie Coward 72371994 Pray tell, how much rocket-thrust does IT-technology produce? Or, IOW, how many millimetres does a megabyte get me closer to the Moon? so that leads me to believe: Quoting: Ozzie Coward 72371994 A) we went there and still do in a secret space program B) we were told by something to not go back and thus havnt. those are the only two possible answers. How unimaginative and pedestrian. The simple notion of politicians saying "Meh, I can think of better uses for that all that money (in my own district) now that we have won the Space Race" didn't cross your mind? (Search Terms of the Day: William Proxmire, Walter Mondale.) Or the thousands of other scenarios someone at least a bit cognisant of the complexities of reality and human behaviour might have come up with? Reality is not binary, there are a zillion shades of grey. Complaining that OTHER PEOPLE should have spend not-your-money on stuff YOU want, rather than what THEY WANT sounds rather childish. We currently don't have SSTs either, is that a conspiracy too? thought experiment: an explorer returns from an unimaginable foreign land and the king declares it the greatest achievement in the civilisation's history and there is a big banquet and the explorer is knighted. what happens after that? do they go back there? or do they just go back to their lives and forget said land exists? Quoting: Ozzie Coward 72371994 You want to compare GOING TO THE MOON with crossing the ocean in wooden boats? Wooden boats get you to a land of riches: a place with air, water, food, wood, slaves; all you ever going to need to build a civilisation. Wooden boats don't require you to take along fuel or air, they don't cost $200,000,000 per tonne of cargo, etc, etc. Because there wasn't a fucking thing there that we needed, other than proving we could get there. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4999621 We have new technologies now. Let's go back. Who is "we"? We have trouble finding a mere billion Euro to plug the holes in an already underfunded healthcare budget and you want to go to the Moon? As a thought exercise: compare the cost of launching 1,000 kg of cargo into Low Earth Orbit in 1973 and 2016. Adjust for inflation. Guys, this is a bot. No use talking to it. Lol. IOW you got nuthin'. No evidence. No sound arguments. No rebuttal. As expected. Reaching for the sky makes you taller. Hi! My name is Halcyon Dayz and I'm addicted to morans. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 72427065 China 06/20/2016 09:20 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | most countries are signatories to the outer space treaty of 1967. to prevent what happened in earlier ages of exploration - planting a flag and claiming the territory - the OST prohibits claiming the Moon and other celestial bodies. the implications of a cold war also led to prohibitions against placing nuclear or weapons of mass destruction in orbit or on other celestial bodies. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72197784 however, the treaty does allow for peaceful uses of space, of which mining and manufacturing would be examples. In-Situ Resource Utilization (space mining) has to be proven on earth first with self-replicating mining factories going back means the mining operations would be able to autonomously propagate a lunar base in the process, to allow for more efficient energy transfer when mining near earth orbit asteroids this. no one listens. we want to be entertained by oddities instead. lol. also the space race was a step toward Cold War relations. implications meaning what was to come. project orion is an interesting oddity albeit outlawed by the cold war legacy. as are sleeper ships and advanced virtual reality to pass the dreamtime. everything imagined has probably already been done as far as extreme conspiracies can go. in the present day though, there does seem to be a regression. Commercial Space Launch Competitiveness Act of 2015 that ted cruz and rubio voted in more or less scraps the outerspace treaty of 1967, as it gives private interests legal protections to exploit and hoard space resources. could be wrong on that one and the act is a start, but it just seems unevolved if these companies were to hold back on the kind of post-scarcity resources ISRU could generate to maintain the status quo of return on investment. mine trillions in resources with minimal human labor involved, sell them slowly to maximize profits as to not crash the market even ferengi know that there's something to be said for keeping prices down by ensuring competition... btw is that a necro from guild wars in your avatar? that game was amazing at the time. had a 55 underworld farmer monk. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 60566493 United States 06/20/2016 09:24 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Show us the actual film and data tapes, the telemetry from Apollo. You can't, it got "LOST". They lost it. The most important scientific achievement in history, the very accomplishment that Americans point to with so much pride, and they lost the footage. Why don't we go back? We lost the recipe for the rocket, man. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 72427065 China 06/20/2016 09:26 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I have worked in the aerospace industry for over 30 years and it has allowed me the opportunity to cross paths with some very awesome people. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70114586 To make a long story short, it's to dangerous for the returned benefit. It was said that the moons dust has a similar effect on man made material as diamonds have to glass. The dust is so abrasive that they don't know how to build a system to safely maintain human health ( or safeguard ) for extended periods of time to truly perform research of the moon. So basically, it's to hostile of an environment. wow. awesome information. virtual reality might solve this in the coming years. have robot workers there with an ad hoc virtual reality interface for human operators to navigate if need be. |