POPE FUCKFACE OFFERS TIME OFF PURGATORY IF YOU FOLLOW HIS SORRY SATANlC ASS ON TWITTER

I knew you were a romanist!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Nope, Jesus' own words disqualify you.

John 4:23-24

23 But the hour is coming, and is now here, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for the Father is seeking such people to worship him. 24 God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth.”

True worshippers, or, as Catholics call them, Arian heretics. I think I'll go with Jesus on this one.

I'm as far from it as you can get, my pseudo-Catholic friend. Catholics and Protestants are just two sides of the same coin.

Last Edited by Monotheism on 06/19/2016 12:30 AM

Religion = made man rules, i.e. "purgatory", in between I suppose (according to those 'men' and their rules, death and the eternal place where we go. Another one: priests cannot marry, and on and on and on.

The religious ones are the ones who decided to kill Jesus, you know. I get a kick out of the people who refer anyone and everyone who mentions Jesus, as "religious". Haven't read the account of Jesus, obviously. Jesus was NOT religious. The religious ones (Pharisees) wanted him dead.

BUT ALAS, and I mustn't leave this out:

They lost, or rather satan lost, He is not dead. He lives, forever and ever!

As I understand it, the Catholic church wouldn't allow or didn't want their parishioners to have a Bible to read for themselves. The reason for that is obvious.

Don't get me wrong, I know a lot of 'former' Catholics who are lovely people, and I do not speak of these, but only of the evil leaders of that hellish organization. Shame, shame on them, misleading their people. Lots of blood on those hands, 'ain't it'?

I wonder if those still following the pope, et al., are going to follow his lead, and his instructions as he fulfills his part in the New World Order and in leading a many as he can to the antichrist, also known as the returning Messiah. I pray not.

God bless you guys and God bless America.

Take down that picture mocking the Pope.

or what.

:)

Yes, Arians are heretics. As are the Gnostics and the Protestants. They have all appointed themselves as their own popes and arbiters of the truth. But Christ appointed Peter, the Apostles, and their successors as his arbiters. I'll go with Christ Jesus on this one. Catholics, by the way, wrote the Bible. There was no written Bible for the first couple hundred years of early Christianity. The authority of the Catholic Church determined which books were included in the Bible.

As for Purgatory, references to it are found in both the Old and New Testaments. Perhaps the best place to start is with the most overt reference to a “Purgatory” of sorts in the Old Testament. I say a “Purgatory of sorts” because Purgatory is a teaching fully revealed in the New Testament and defined by the Catholic Church. The Old Testament people of God would not have called it “Purgatory,” but they did clearly believe that the sins of the dead could be atoned for by the living as I will now prove. This is a constitutive element of what Catholics call “Purgatory.”

In II Maccabees 12:39-46, we discover Judas Maccabeus and members of his Jewish military forces collecting the bodies of some fallen comrades who had been killed in battle. When they discovered these men were carrying “sacred tokens of the idols of Jamnia, which the law forbids the Jews to wear” (vs. 40), Judas and his companions discerned they had died as a punishment for sin. Therefore, Judas and his men “turned to prayer beseeching that the sin which had been committed might be wholly blotted out… He also took up a collection... and sent it to Jerusalem to provide for a sin offering. In doing this he acted very well and honorably… Therefore he made atonement for the dead, that they might be delivered from their sin.”

There are usually two immediate objections to the use of this text when talking with Protestants. First, they will dismiss any evidence presented therein because they do not accept the inspiration of Maccabees. And second, they will claim these men in Maccabees committed the sin of idolatry, which would be a mortal sin in Catholic theology. According to the Catholic Church, they would be in Hell where there is no possibility of atonement. Thus, and ironically so, they will say, Purgatory must be eliminated as a possible interpretation of this text if you’re Catholic.

The Catholic Response:

Rejecting the inspiration and canonicity of II Maccabees does not negate its historical value. Maccabees aids us in knowing, purely from an historical perspective at the very least, the Jews believed in praying and making atonement for the dead shortly before the advent of Christ. This is the faith in which Jesus and the apostles were raised. And it is in this context Jesus declares in the New Testament:

"And whoever says a word against the Son of man will be forgiven; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come"(Matthew 12:32).

This declaration of our Lord implies there are at least some sins that can be forgiven in the next life to a people who already believed it. If Jesus wanted to condemn this teaching commonly taught in Israel, he was not doing a very good job of it according to St. Matthew’s Gospel.

The next objection presents a more complex problem. The punishment for mortal sin is, in fact, definitive self-exclusion from communion with God and the blessed in Hell according to Catholic teaching. But it is a non-sequitur to conclude from this teaching that II Maccabees could not be referring to a type of Purgatory.

First of all, a careful reading of the text reveals the sin of these men to be carrying small amulets “or sacred tokens of the idols of Jamnia” under their tunics as they were going in to battle. This would be closer to a Christian baseball player believing there is some kind of power in his performing superstitious rituals before going to bat than it would be to the mortal sin of idolatry. This was, most likely, a venial sin for them. But even if what they did would have been objectively grave matter, good Jews in ancient times—just like good Catholics today—believed they should always pray for the souls of those who have died “for thou [O Lord], thou only knowest the hearts of the children of men” (II Chr. 6:30). God alone knows the degree of culpability of these “sinners.” Moreover, some or all of them may have repented before they died. Both Jews and Catholic Christians always retain hope for the salvation of the deceased this side of heaven; thus, we always pray for those who have died.

In Matthew 5:24-25, Jesus is even more explicit about Purgatory.

"Make friends quickly with your accuser, while you are going with him to court, lest your accuser hand you over to the judge, and the judge to the guard, and you be put in prison; truly I say to you, you will never get out till you have paid the last penny" (Matthew 5:25-26).

For Catholics, Tertullian for example, in De Anima 58, written in ca. AD 208, this teaching is parabolic, using the well-known example of “prison” and the necessary penitence it represents, as a metaphor for Purgatorial suffering that will be required for lesser transgressions, represented by the “kodrantes” or “penny” of verse 26. But for many Protestants, our Lord is here giving simple instructions to his followers concerning this life exclusively. This has nothing to do with Purgatory.

This traditional Protestant interpretation is very weak contextually. These verses are found in the midst of the famous “Sermon on the Mount,” where our Lord teaches about heaven (vs. 20), hell (vs. 29-30), and both mortal (vs. 22) and venial sins (vs. 19), in a context that presents “the Kingdom of Heaven” as the ultimate goal (see verses 3-12). Our Lord goes on to say if you do not love your enemies, “what reward have you” (verse 46)? And he makes very clear these “rewards” are not of this world. They are “rewards from your Father who is in heaven” (6:1) or “treasures in heaven” (6:19).

Further, as St. John points out in John 20:31, all Scripture is written “that believing, you may have [eternal] life in his name.” Scripture must always be viewed in the context of our full realization of the divine life in the world to come. Our present life is presented “as a vapor which appears for a little while, and afterwards shall vanish away” (James 1:17). It would seem odd to see the deeper and even “other worldly” emphasis throughout the Sermon of the Mount, excepting these two verses.

When we add to this the fact that the Greek word for prison, phulake, is the same word used by St. Peter, in I Peter 3:19, to describe the “holding place” into which Jesus descended after his death to liberate the detained spirits of Old Testament believers, the Catholic position makes even more sense. Phulake is demonstrably used in the New Testament to refer to a temporary holding place and not exclusively in this life.

I Corinthians 3:11-15 may well be the most straightforward text in all of Sacred Scripture when it comes to Purgatory:

"For no other foundation can any one lay than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ. Now if any one builds on the foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble—each man’s work will become manifest; for the Day will disclose it, because it will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test what sort of work each one has done. If the work which any man has built on the foundation survives, he will receive a reward. If any man’s work is burned up, he will suffer loss, though he himself will be saved, but only as through fire."

No Christian sect I know of even attempts to deny this text speaks of the judgment of God where the works of the faithful will be tested after death. It says our works will go through “fire,” figuratively speaking. In Scripture, “fire” is used metaphorically in two ways: as a purifying agent (Mal. 3:2-3; Matt. 3:11; Mark 9:49); and as that which consumes (Matt. 3:12; 2 Thess. 1:7-8). So it is a fitting symbol here for God’s judgment. Some of the “works” represented are being burned up and some are being purified. These works survive or burn according to their essential “quality”.

What is being referred to cannot be heaven because there are imperfections that need to be “burned up” (see again, Rev. 21:27, Hab. 1:13). It cannot be hell because souls are being saved. So what is it? The Protestant calls it “the Judgment” and we Catholics agree. We Catholics simply specify the part of the judgment of the saved where imperfections are purged as “Purgatory.”

Suprised he isnt selling it , corruption is rife and paedophillia rampant , sorry I dont follow Paedos or the buildings that encourage it ... Like I heard on Jurassic Park 1 ..Man created God , Man destroys God ,, Simple as that , who in their tight mind believes that a "faith" can suddenly appear like that onto a bunch of savages 2000 yrs ago and noone has even seen "God" or had a 2 way convo with him .. Same goes for the other chap Mo .. By my reckoning this god person doesn't exist and we are just another form of animal but some more civilized than others ,

Problem is these were the words of an alleged Arian heretic, Jesus God is the Father alone, and the Father alone will be the God of true worshippers. Who cares what you have to says when Jesus words are right there to expose you as a liar?

Christianity is such a sham

Oh my, we have a slew of misinformed - yourself excepted - here on the forum. We are absolved of all of our sins, provided that we confess and are sorry, but we must atone for our sins as well. We can't waltz into heaven with some magic forumlae and with a light attitude. Only the pure may be with God. Read the writings throughout the New Testament about purification. Purgatory is a blessing - if you go there you know you have it made (maybe not in the shade!).

Yes, and a German liar who had a special relationship with his own bowel movements. Go ahead and follow a fecalphilliac.

Funny, I tend to laugh the most at Germans.

This is a softball question - the commandment is not to worship an idol. Catholics don't. Did you not read that God himself commanded the Israelites to make an image of a snake on a stick and parade it around the camp in order to cure sickness? Clearly it isn't the image that is the problem but worshiping it as a god, which Catholics do not do. Statues and images focus our intent on God. We do not worship them. Please get educated and stop slandering Catholics.

It may be that he isn't the holy father. They are holding back on Fatima, which I think exposed Vatican II. There is a remnant of traditional Catholics who do not agree with what is going on in the Church, myself included. So far, the Pope hasn't made an ex-cathedra pronouncement that is heretical - other than an ex-cathedra pronouncement we are not required to agree with or obey what the Pope says. We are waiting.

this popes soul will never see the pleroma and will be cast into the fucking abyss

Purgatory is Gods mercy, it isn't as simple as all go to heaven right away and all go to hell right away. No you won't get off that easy.

ihs jesuit pentrations as a child gets you to ve an iman and a good jesuit in the future

Great idea :)
I think I'll take him up on the offer!

As most of you already might know.
Catholicism is 50% Christian and 50% Pagan.

Mary is the Pagan Sea godess, there is also connections to Isis of course and other godesses. The day of worship was changed from saturday to Sunday to satisfy the Pagans who accepted Jesus as Horus/Apollo. Even though the 10 commandments clearly says it is the Sabbath that is holy and not sunday et...

In a nutshell, thr Catholic Church is a compromise.

Protestantism is arguably purer but far from perfect. Luther was a Rosicrucian. So there are some mysteric things in many protestant sects which are from the mysteries and perhaps not the teachings of Jesus.

The Pope is the Vicar of Satan

It's a strange time we be living in...

lol@ simpletons who use the term "sky daddy"

Where have you all been? Asleep?
The article is from 2013.