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Scientists Predict Big Solar Cycle

Dec. 21, 2006: Evidence is mounting: the next solar cycle is going to be a big one.

Solar cycle 24, due to peak in 2010 or 2011 "looks like its going to be one of the most intense cycles since record-keeping began almost 400 years ago," says solar physicist David Hathaway of the Marshall Space Flight Center. He and colleague Robert Wilson presented this conclusion last week at the American Geophysical Union meeting in San Francisco.

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 Quoting: HeidiLore

Heidi it is interesting how could Mayans know it.

/Mayans calendar Long Count will reach 13.0.0.0.0 on
21 or 23 December AD 2012 - a not too distant future.

The date 13.0.0.0.0 may have been the Mayas' idea of
the date of the creation of the world./

Virtual tours of Mayan sites
[link to www.mayanmajix.com]

Question is "What is going on?"

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did someone delete a post because it said the last post is at 12:45 but I don't see one for that time

so it is my computer or a post was deleted?
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Solar cycle 24... "looks like its going to be one of the most intense cycles since record-keeping began almost 400 years ago," says solar physicist David Hathaway of the Marshall Space Flight Center. He and colleague Robert Wilson presented this conclusion last week at the American Geophysical Union meeting in San Francisco.

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I find it interesting that unlike the last conference held +/- 10 years ago, where the unanimous concensus on the panel was it would be an unusually active solar minimum, this time around, the panel is split.

While Hathaway and his team at Marshall believe it will be an intense cycle, at Goddard Space Flight Center, Dean Pesnell (another NASA solar physicist) leads a team with an opposing viewpoint: that it will be a weak minimum.

Apparently, there are two accepted models for solar cycle forecasting. Pesnell and his team rely on a model which bases predictions on the strength of the sun's (polar) magnetic field. Hathaway's team uses a model which bases its predictions on fluctuations in the earth's magnetic field.

Not only does the NASA article in the OP provides a visual aid in support of Hathaway's forecast, it also clearly shows such metrics historically are a strong leading indicator of sunspot activity to follow.

I cannot seem to find any such graphical output from Pesnell's model in support of his opposing forecast. Ten years ago, the models lined up perfectly. Now they are diametrically opposed to one another.

Here's an article from Dec. 18 which discusses said divergence:

[link to www.space.com]


Now...

IMO, this is what facsinates me...

Two historical indicators forecast two completely different outcomes. Only one can be right. This is significant.

While I am nothing other than a n00b layman with regards to solar physics, I do know a little about multi-variate analysis. There is obviously an external force (external to the sun-earth "system") which is having an effect on one or the other. In other words, there is something either having an effect on i) fluctuations of the earth's magnetic field (an increase), or ii) the magnitude of the sun's magnetic field (a net reduction, in this case).

While this alone does not provide nearly enough data to reach anything other than a purely speculative conclusion, it is definitely enough to scientifically conclude things are not "normal" as we know it.

So, if things are indeed abnormal, what, pray tell could it be?

"Gravity waves" from outside the solar system, as claimed by Dames, which according to him will result in anonomously high levels of solar activity (hmmm...), including the infamous "Kill Shot?" Some unknown effect resulting from the streaming of extrasolar matter from the tail of (the galaxy) Sagittarius, ( [link to astsun.astro.virginia.edu] ) which just happens to be streaming through this very part of our galaxy during this very moment in time in a 240 million year orbit around the center of the Milky Way? Maybe something internally instigated such as HAARP "run amok" as suggested by some? Or something more Doomtastic like the arrival of "Planet X?"

Regardless of the root cause, one thing is fosho: What lies ahead is unknown, and whether it be as mundane as a heating of the earth's core, or as WooWoo as PX, no matter you slice it, we're looking at forces far beyond our control.

And when you step back from the metrics, the convergence of 2012 interpretations, EotW prophecy, Global Warming, and anonomous solar and/or geomagnetic activity, it seems reasonable to expect a slight-to-moderate chance of Doom, followed by scattered showers and partical clearing.

Enjoy!



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"...opposing viewpoint: that it will be a weak minimum."
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That should have read, "...weak maximum."
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[link to www.astrosciences.info]

Sun Storm: Could our sun nova?
by Bill Hamilton
Skywatch International

Astronomers are learning more about our mysterious star we call the sun. The sun is a huge fusion reactor that slowly fuses hydrogen nuclei into helium nuclei.

Our sun is a medium-sized yellow star that is 93,026,724 miles from the Earth. This distance also determines a measure of 1 Astronomical Unit. This distance varies over a year.

The Sun's core can reach 10 to 22.5 million °F. The surface temperature is approximately 9,900°F (5,500°C). The outer atmosphere of the Sun (which we can see during a solar eclipse) gets extremely hot again, up to 1.5 to 2 million degrees. At the center of big sunspots the temperature can be as low as 7300 °F (4300 K, 4000 °C). The temperature of the Sun is determined by measuring how much energy (both heat and light) it emits.

The sun has been determined to be about 4.5 billion years old. The earth and the sun are of the same age having formed at the same time according to existing theory.

The sun emits electromagnetic radiation and charged particles. Frequently, the sun will flare and brighten and an explosive flare will emit the energy equivalent of millions of 100-megaton Hydrogen bombs.

Stars like the sun are considered to be stable over their life cycles. The outward pressure of gases in the solar wind balances the inward force of gravity. Lucky for us.

Novas

From time to time a white dwarf star will accumulate too much hydrogen gas from a neighbor and this results in a tremendous explosion of this gas shell that brightens the star in the heavens. This is what we know as a nova. It usually occurs at the final stages of a star’s life cycle.

Yet, do we know all that we need to know about novas? What happens if a cloud of hydrogen gas of unusually high density were to engulf our sun.? Could a mini-nova result in the expulsion of a shell of gas that would burst like a firestorm through the solar system? Although it seems unlikely, studies of ancient history seem to indicate variations in solar output that may have produced catastrophic changes on earth. Even today, a variation in solar luminosity is occurring and scientists report that the slight increase in solar output may be contributing to climate change and global warming. There is some evidence that some of the other planets in our system are also experiencing warmer temperatures and climate change. These changes could be the result of increasing accumulations of cosmic dust through which our solar system is passing.

Deciphering the Mayan symbols seems to point to a coming catastrophe in the the winter solstice of our year 2012 that involves changes in our sun and its effects on the earth. This is such an immense subject that my research on it continues in spurts. To summarize the predictions it can be said that a recurring event may cause the change in our sun. That event, known as the grand crossing, is synchronized to the precession of the equinoxes.

This is such an immense subject that my research on it continues in spurts. To summarize the predictions it can be said that a recurring event may cause the change in our sun. That event, known as the grand crossing, is synchronized to the precession of the equinoxes.

Here is a description of that event:

“Is there something significant we should know about the Winter Solstice date of December 21, 2012? Yes. On this day a rare astronomical and Mayan mythical event occurs. In astronomic terms, the Sun conjuncts the intersection of the Milky Way and the plane of the ecliptic. The Milky Way, as most of us know, extends in a general north-south direction in the night sky. The plane of the ecliptic is the track the Sun, Moon, planets and stars appear to travel in the sky, from east to west. It intersects the Milky Way at a 60 degree angle near the constellation Sagittarius. The cosmic cross formed by the intersecting Milky Way and plane of the ecliptic was called the Sacred Tree by the Maya. The trunk of the tree, the Axis Mundi, is the Milky Way, and the main branch intersecting the tree is the plane of the ecliptic. Mythically, at sunrise on December 21, 2012, the Sun - our Father - rises to conjoin the center of the Sacred Tree, the World Tree, the Tree of Life..

The galactic center and the Great Rift contain great clouds of hydrogen gas and dust, the substances out of which stars are formed. These clouds partially block our view of the bright stars that crowd the galactic center.

The great rift of the Milky Way begins near Deneb and extends SW deep into the southern Milky Way ending near Alpha Centauri. The dust clouds of the rift are probably 1,000 light-years distant in Cygnus, and approach us in Aquila, Scutum, Sagittarius and Scorpius, where they are only a few hundred light years away.

The Eagle Aquila is dusted with dark nebulae, ancient star cities, stellar outbursts and the faint puffs of exploded stars. Aquila is on the celestial equator and cuts through the great rift of the Milky Way where it runs NE - SW. Aquila is poor in clusters, rich in faint planetary nebulae, and loaded with dark nebulae.

This rare astronomical event, foretold in the Mayan creation story of the Hero Twins, and calculated empirically by them, will happen for many of us in our lifetime. The Sun has not conjoined the Milky Way and the plane of the ecliptic since some 25,800 years ago, long before the Mayans arrived on the scene and long before their predecessors the Olmecs arrived. What does this mean? “
(from: [link to www.crawford2000.co.uk]

Many do not think that anything special will happen, but others believe that the Mayans recorded significant events and used precise calendars to forecast the recurrence of periodic cycles marked by special events.

Why would the intersection of our sun and solar system with the Milky Way’s equatorial plane constitute a noteworthy event?

“The auspicious year of 2012 indicated in the long count calendar illuminates the fact that the Precessional movement of the Winter Solstice Sun will gradually bring its position into alignment with the very center of our Galaxy. For the Maya, this is like the last stroke of Midnight on New Year’s Eve; only in 2012 the New Year is the New Galactic Year of 26,000 solar years. The Galactic Clock will be at zero point and a New Precessional Cycle will begin.”
(from: [link to www.kamakala.com]

Maurice Cotterell has studied the Mayan, Egyptian, and Incan lost sciences of the sun and has determined that the sun goes through cycles of magnetic reversals and changes of direction. He believes that the ancient calendars show how the earth was destroyed 5 times due to the sun’s twisting magnetic fields. (from: [link to www.mauricecotterell.com]

The last piece of the puzzle that may explain why the sun will react to this event comes from Dr. Paul LaViolette in his book, Earth Under Fire.

“In a nutshell, the book is about LaViolette's dissertation subject, being [about] the effect of periodic galactic core explosions -- the period being roughly 26,000 years -- which send out shells of cosmic rays (chiefly in the form of electrons moving at near light-speed) that are hundreds to thousands of light-years thick (the thickness being the duration of that particular galactic core explosion). The effect of this constant blast of cosmic rays -- once the shell hits our solar system which is 23,000 light-years from the galactic core -- is to push interstellar dust into the inner solar system (the dust is normally kept out by the pressure of the solar wind). The result of this dust is very major, in a number of different ways, including 1) increased flaring of the sun in the style of T-Tauri stars, 2) a downshift toward the infra-red in terms of the solar radiation reaching the Earth, and 3) a significant deviation from normal in terms of the total solar energy reaching the ground.

The last shell passed the Earth roughly 14,000 years ago, marking the end of the last ice age, and causing all the major physical changes recorded from that time.”
(from: [link to www.etheric.com]

Protostars which are starting to blow away the gas and dust surrounding them are called T-Tauri stars. The warm dust remaining around T-Tauri stars still radiates in the infrared. There is evidence that the remaining dust and gas surrounding T-Tauri stars form rotating disks which may mark the beginnings of planetary systems.

When we say that the sun may begin to behave like a T-Tauri star, this does not mean that the sun transforms into such a star. The gas and dust accumulation that could occur around the sun may cause it to behave like a T-Tauri star which could lead to a significant increase in infrared radiation.
This paper does not explore this theme in depth, but is meant to point the way to further research. While it is uncertain that minor changes in the sun will eventually lead to major consequences, and while it uncertain that interpretation of Mayan prophecy or prediction is correct, the fact is that evidence exists that earth has gone through periodic catastrophes and extinction events in its history and that major changes in climatic conditions have occurred and will reoccur in the future. Research may reveal to us how the sun has played a role in both catastrophic and extinction events of the past and how, by further solar studies, we may predict the sun’s wild weather.
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Most interesting on whole think is:

The Mayan Calendar speaks of the end of time on December 21, 2012.

Bible in Revelation speaks of the end of time.
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An here they are talking about 'most intense
Solar cycle 24, due to peak in 2010 or 2011.
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