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George Orwell Was Right: Spy Cameras See Britons' Every Move

 
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You folks in the UK are going down fast. First disarmed, now this. Before it's all over and done with they'll be a camera watching you from your TV and rocks will be outlawed as dangerous weapons.

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George Orwell Was Right: Spy Cameras See Britons' Every Move

By Nick Allen

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Dec. 22 (Bloomberg) -- It's Saturday night in Middlesbrough, England, and drunken university students are celebrating the start of the school year, known as Freshers' Week.

One picks up a traffic cone and runs down the street. Suddenly, a disembodied voice booms out from above:

``You in the black jacket! Yes, you! Put it back!'' The confused student obeys as his friends look bewildered.

``People are shocked when they hear the cameras talk, but when they see everyone else looking at them, they feel a twinge of conscience and comply,'' said Mike Clark, a spokesman for Middlesbrough Council who recounted the incident. The city has placed speakers in its cameras, allowing operators to chastise miscreants who drop coffee cups, ride bicycles too fast or fight outside bars.

Almost 70 years after George Orwell created the all-seeing dictator Big Brother in the novel ``1984,'' Britons are being watched as never before. About 4.2 million spy cameras film each citizen 300 times a day, and police have built the world's largest DNA database. Prime Minister Tony Blair said all Britons should carry biometric identification cards to help fight the war on terror.



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The Brits need to wake up. These people don't seem to have any clue what is going on. I observed this...
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Don't forget the RFID they've been using for a while now. [link to www.godlikeproductions.com]
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carbon rationing on the way, too
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Everybody talks about all the surveillance cameras in the UK, but nobody seems to notice they're at every intersection in America too. Same exact cameras, same exact mounts on traffic standards in every city throughout the western U.S. Not sure about the eastern states, but I suspect it's the same.
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Everybody talks about all the surveillance cameras in the UK, but nobody seems to notice they're at every intersection in America too. Same exact cameras, same exact mounts on traffic standards in every city throughout the western U.S. Not sure about the eastern states, but I suspect it's the same.
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Good points, they are starting to go up in Austin Texas. But we got one thing -and that's 100 million gun owners, and one day they are gonna be pissed.
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I posted this about a week and a half ago.
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I lived in the Denver area until about 2 years ago, and traveled to Vegas and LA working all the time. There were a lot of cameras in those cities. Not near as many in the Tampa Bay area where I am now.
In Denver, they said it was for monitoring traffic, to adjust the timing on traffic signals as needed.
I always made sure to not be tokin' a joint sitting at a traffic light though.Just in case.
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I posted this about a week and a half ago.
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Sorry Code, I'll unpin in a few hours, it's a slow Sunday morning.
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Everybody talks about all the surveillance cameras in the UK, but nobody seems to notice they're at every intersection in America too.
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But in America, people can fight back and have them removed. At least in my area. Of course in this case it was about money. The school system sued because they were supposed to be getting a large portion of the profits from the traffic citations issued. The city decided they couldn't make enough profit after that and did away with them.
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The Brits need to wake up. These people don't seem to have any clue what is going on. I observed this...
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Merry Christmas Heidilore!

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Truthfully, I think Great Britain is beyond help. The worse thing then the actual surveillance society is the wide spread ACCEPTANCE of the surveillance society.

Truthfully, here in America, we are on Camera more then we realize. And it's getting to the point it doesn't bother us that we are on camera.

But, since no one has the balls to take the Revolution to the next level, but merely talk stuff to death, I don't we'll see any real change in the world.

We can't even come to a consensus that our real enemy is the Council on Foreign Relations.

If we can't set out sights on that target, NO REAL CHANGE WILL COME!

And where will that leave us?

Just cursing the darkness while they continue to run their agenda down our throats.
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No, don't unpin this it's a complete abuse of power and extremely important. And, it's coming to you pretty much wherever you live. The proliferation of surveillance at all levels in the UK has driven me from my country...though nationality now is worthless anyway. The first time someone erects one in your neighborhood use it for target practice.

The standard comeback "If you haven't got something to hide you don't need to worry," doesn't wash with me. Unless of course I can have camera monitoring of the Chief of Police's bedroom passed to me. Well, "If he hasn't got something to hide..."

It's about privacy and rights which are being eroded rapidly.

The DNA collection and mergers of medical records onto a national database in the UK is sinister. It is only a matter of time before they have all DNA recorded and available to the police state.
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bump for the watchers
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I lived in the Denver area until about 2 years ago, and traveled to Vegas and LA working all the time. There were a lot of cameras in those cities. Not near as many in the Tampa Bay area where I am now.
In Denver, they said it was for monitoring traffic, to adjust the timing on traffic signals as needed.
I always made sure to not be tokin' a joint sitting at a traffic light though.Just in case.
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Well figured .....in the U.K there have been a couple of convictions of people who have stuck their fingers up at the cameras when passing.
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Well figured .....in the U.K there have been a couple of convictions of people who have stuck their fingers up at the cameras when passing.
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Really?
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Well figured .....in the U.K there have been a couple of convictions of people who have stuck their fingers up at the cameras when passing.

Really?
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One guy was BANNED for a year for "dangerous driving" as he took both hands off of the steering wheel to make the gesture !!!



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A motorist who made V-signs at a police speed camera has been convicted of dangerous driving and banned for a year.

Sean Toehill, 21, took both hands off the steering wheel to make the gesture, although Cupar sheriff court, Fife, heard that he was not speeding and did not lose control.

Toehill, of Cupar, said afterwards: "I think it's incredibly harsh. Just because I'm a young guy, they want to make an example of me.

"I can't believe that speed cameras can be used in this way. I thought they were to catch speeding drivers."


[link to www.telegraph.co.uk]



There have been others too.
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And THIS guy was banned and NOT even driving a vehicle !!!!





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Wow, That's harsh!
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"If you haven't got something to hide you don't need to worry"


yeah, but in possession of accurate information about your body (biometrics) and general behaviour (surveillance and rfids + gps) they can invent whathever they want about what you are hiding or not.

if they can pretend that you have something to hide, then you have a lot to lose...perhaps even your life.


say no to biometric identification and RFID chips.

IT IS COMING!!!!


for you, freedom fighters, please try to do the following:

1 - if allowing they to take a snapshot of your biometric features is unavoidable, then at least learn every bit of how this technology works and where is it stored, because then, at least, you can fight it back if it's used against you (remember that movie 'The Net' with Sandra Bullock)

2 - or don't let them do anything, even your material welfare and integrity is not prioritary when it comes to defend your FREEDOM. it's a matter of freedom or death. i'm ready, and you?








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Wow, That's harsh!
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LOL, I remember an article from the early days in the UK, before the TPTB armoured cameras, people would sneak up on these camera's and beat them to shit with sticks and bats.

Rock and roll baby.

Like I said, one of these days, WHAMMO, and their punk ass PTB fascist shit will get their heads on a pike.




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"First disarmed"

We were never armed. Well at least not for a few hundred years. I doubt very few people would want to own a gun if they had the change anyway - except criminals.

The people of Middlesbrough can vote out their local council if they dont like the job they're doing.
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well somebody has to watch the britons, us americans left!

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you can still train your body up to the point that it becomes a weapon. no wonder that the actual culture is one that portraits the most unhealthy lifestyle as possible.

we'll only suceed in the revolution if we are physically fit to do it.
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Wow, That's harsh!


LOL, I remember an article from the early days in the UK, before the TPTB armoured cameras, people would sneak up on these camera's and beat them to shit with sticks and bats.

Rock and roll baby.

Like I said, one of these days, WHAMMO, and their punk ass PTB fascist shit will get their heads on a pike.




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LOL, it'll be easier to whack the fascists than the cameras.
I do a lot of CCTV systems for the private sector, and some of the camera enclosures these days are amazingly stout. You can pound 'em with a sledge hammer and only scratch 'em.
Course. I'll bet a .308 will still do the trick.
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that is good to know evil twin

how about a can of spray paint?
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that is good to know evil twin

how about a can of spray paint?
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Oh yeah, simple solutions are still the best.
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that is good to know evil twin

how about a can of spray paint?

Oh yeah, simple solutions are still the best.
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simple is as simple does

or something like that!

rolleyes

i read somewhere that we are on like 60 cameras a day, which is all fed to a central data base

let me do some research
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Whenever I see a spy-camera during my drive to and from work, I always make a point of picking my nose, in a gross fashion.

I really dig in, and excavate.

Know where I'm coming from?

They can't stitch you up for that, yet.

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Whenever I see a spy-camera during my drive to and from work, I always make a point of picking my nose, in a gross fashion.

I really dig in, and excavate.

Know where I'm coming from?

They can't stitch you up for that, yet.

blair<--- Total Fucking Twat
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:5::5:

1rof1
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i can not find the damn article

anybody help a dummy?

it was about a central data base where all cameras in the nation would be linked

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i can not find the damn article

anybody help a dummy?

it was about a central data base where all cameras in the nation would be linked

agent
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They like to keep that kind of news buried as deep as possible.
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