Which are you more afraid of, Death, or Immortality?

Maybe for some - death is the gateway to immortality.

Any thoughts or should I have added posting in this thread as one of the top fears?! lol

Let's expose the truth, right? And the evil, right? Well let's start with ourselves!

Sure. But hopefully this will be a topic where answers are personal thoughts about oneself.

hy·poc·ri·sy
noun
the practice of claiming to have moral standards or beliefs to which one's own behavior does not conform;

My personal thoughts...

Like any thing this can be good or bad, healthy or unhealthy, whatever your two opposing labels might happen to be.

Imagine if you will, that the mind must be programmed to overcome or override prior programming. When viewed from this angle, it could be seen as speaking something in to existence. An example would be helping others as one is helping themself.

They say if you want to learn something, you should learn it from someone who does it themselves, and while generally that is good advice, there could be times where applying such advice just doesn't measure up.

Where hypocrite derives its disdain from most is obvious & need not be covered here.

I'm not here to call names.

Check to see if you are afraid of death. If so, check to see if anything you do causes you to be circumstantially closer to it.

If you are afraid of immortality, check to see if you are trying to avoid death.

God designed us to live forever. Forever seems pretty scary if it's the same of THIS but that's not how it's going to be. Just as we take one day at a time here so will eternal life be like a breeze then.

Eternal death will be just that, the absence of awareness completely forever, eternally. Pretty sad as I'm sure we can all list 10 things we like about life.

A glib response with many distorted premises.

There is no state (status of being) that is not immortal. Life, Consciousness, Soul have been, are and always will be immortal. Immortality implies unending life. Has nothing to do with what you think of as death. Death is a transition out of physical existence. The consciousness survives. It is immortal like the soul and identity and Life itself is Immortal.

Contradiction.

There is no state of being that is mortal.
Death is a transition out of the physical existence.

Should I change the word of the thread?

OP, clearly you are not here to discuss conspiracy's, you are here with the sole intention of promoting your religion.

Shame on you.

The spiritual prison called "hell" is a holding cell, a prison for souls/consciousness.

God promises to destroy that prison and everyone in it when the day of his final judgment arrives.

Believe what you will but many spiritual truths are inferred from life's many various expressions - life, death, true evil and true goodness being some of them.

Most people are neither afraid of Death nor Eternity. What they are afraid of is Pain and Suffering. The thing that sucks is that, depending on how you live your life now, you might end up suffering the most horrific pain for Eternity in Hell.

Nope. No shame on me.

Can you name one conspiracy regarding the holy bible? I'm here to make you think about the conspiracies of the bible.

I think you are right about that.

I know you are right about that, except hell will not exist forever.

To be clear, the biblical prophecy of what will become of hell is that it will cease to exist. It is a created place with created beings in it who are alive and aware continuously forever until God gives the word and it is forgotten in the lake of fire.

Death is the process by which the eternal soul is separated from the mortal body. Death and suffering are the consequences of the Fall. Before Adam and Eve sinned, there was no death and no suffering. Adam and Eve's "no" to God was reversed by Jesus and Mary's "yes" to God's plan. God was so serious about saving souls from eternal death in Hell that He incarnated in our broken flesh and was obedient unto death, even death on the Cross.

The soul is eternal and the decisions made by souls during their earthly lives will determine where they spend Eternity. At the moment of death, one's eternal fate is sealed in one of two placed: Heaven or Hell.

Christ was clear that Hell is for real and it is for eternity. Hell will not be destroyed. It will exist for eternity. If more sermons were delivered on the reality of Hell, the world would be a very different place.

Love, for example, is never bad or unhealthy, so some things are always positive and NOT in opposition. Besides, one's having "opposing labels" about reality is only useful for a certain stage of development before one realizes that they are just two sides of the same coin, or spectrum of sense perceptions. They are not really 'opposite', but, rather, they are just gradations of contrast. Due to our historical period of consciousness development and method of description and categorization necessary for some of the basics of our experience within nature and also as a function of culture, science and religion is why we think of and use the concept of 'opposites'. There are not any actual (real) 'opposites'. It seems opposites only apply in binary functions like on/off or 1 & 0.

I felt fear just reading those words! I cannot IMAGINE how ABSOLUTELY TERRIBLE it would be to be on the other side of the eternal Sabbath. That fear (which I don't experience so it was a shock to feel) helps keep me in line since my conversion.

Dear, Jesus, I will be as GOOD as you want me to be, help my get as far away from hell as possible!

(Does anyone object to being good, minus the people who killed Jesus?)

For ex., the 'opposite' good/bad or healthy/unhealthy are really just sliding scales or continuum's of either goodness and health respectively. The pairs are really complimentary believe it or not.

So do you love God or fear God? You can't do both. I know if I believed in a God who would torture most of humanity forever, I would fear that God but I would not love it. I would view it as a frightening enemy that I must obey and bow down to. Again, I would only fear this creature, much as a Jew might fear Hitler.

I love people so I am not okay with any God torturing anyone. That is not a God to me. That is a demonic entity. Even if I thought I possessed some get out of hell free card, I would still fear, not love, any God who needlessly torments people just for the fun of it. I would never trust that God.

Back to the original question, I am not afraid of death. I am an atheist. I think we are mortal and we die forever like every other animal. If eternity exists, I would fear that, I suppose, especially if it included an evil God that tortured people forever just because it could.

Hell is not the lake of fire but is thrown into it. If the lake of fire is hell then you must believe there are 2 hells. Also, scripture does not leave room for hell and suffering:

And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
Revelation 20:14-15

The first birth is the soul.
The second birth is the body.
The first death is the body.
The second death is the soul.

And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
Revelation 21:4

And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.
Revelation 21:5

I have fear in niether! This is a lie from the great enemy! God the supreme creator has given us all the gift of immortal life from his SPIRIT, our soul is corruptible and can lose this divine gift although is is in the knowledge of it, not the gift itself. Immortality of the soul is real, reincarnation is REAL, heaven and hell are simple truths covered up in lies. Our destiny is to ascend through higher dimensions until we meet the father, even our planet is trying to ascend now to escape the lower base dimensions that rely on fear and materialism. You have been warned.

The human body is 'mortal'.

That's a state of being, i.e. the body.

Well.

Perhaps we will be so lucky as to have both.

One before the other, so to speak.

Isn't life a mystery.

Can you love God AND fear him?

Let's see...

Heavenly Father, Jesus, I love you, and I fear you. Sometimes thinking about your power, and your qualities, and all that you made, it makes me afraid. But I need you, I know how good you are! You keep me safe. Thank you for blessing me and teaching me about yourself and how to follow your instruction and how to obey your commandments and giving me understanding in all spiritual areas that I have complete peace. Thank you for being faithful that I can trust in your promises. I know how perfect and good you are. You didn't make me to be evil or afraid, I know I just don't fully know you yet. I look forward to seeing you soon, anytime now... anyyyyy time now... If you could hurry it up a bit... Ok, I'll wait for you. Bless more people in the meantime, and may we blessed with a larger family. I wish people were more repentant, eager to be good, eager to do right, not tired of doing what is right. I wish more people knew you and believed in you, and would actually read your holy book. I love you, Jesus. Thank you.

Yes, it is possible.

The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction.
Proverbs 1:7

The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding.
Proverbs 9:10

Last Edited by Thank You Jesus Christ! on 06/30/2016 09:53 AM

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There is no hell as most people think of it except as they create with their own minds and imagination that to them is real enough, but it does not have a reality outside of their own hallucinatory experience based on their belief in hell, demons, devil, etc.

Therefore, hell, demons and devil are creations of peoples minds and imagination. The more you think of these things the more you make them "real" to yourself. And, you WILL meet the results of your expectations.

However, hell is not an actual place that God created for people; rather, if anything, hell is the distortions and perversions of the mind and the consciousness. One perverts one's own consciousness and suffers the consequences of lost awareness and lost Order.

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If you ever have children don't punish them for evil behavior lest they consider you demonic!

Q:What do you call a society that doesn't punish it's criminals?

A:Anarachy


Your belief is that God is torturing but it is not true. God is punishing. What child likes to stand in a corner? lol Standing there is making them feel pain, not the command to go stand there.

God is good, not evil. God CANNOT torture. He cannot rape, either for examples. He can promise death and not be responsible for how that death happens, or he can punish with death and be responsible for how it happens. God has morals. God punishes, not tortures.

In heaven he CANNOT use any pain as a motivating force for change because it is completely good; living righteousness. But God can use pain as a force for change (repentance), just like a parent who SPANKS their child to get them to understand to stop doing stupid things that will cause harm to themselves or others.

God would be a hypocrite if he created life to die. They are opposing in nature.